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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #225 on: April 07, 2020, 08:28:00 AM »
Looks like you got a winner their :) I agree with the tons of pop ( beauty of laser ) but I found the dark scenes is where they failed. Well mine did I had macro blocking and spent a lot of time tweaking it, especially with the Panasonic UB9000. Like the JVC these units are like lottery tickets hope you get a winner :)
Yeah the Sony has a few quirks that need to be fixed, especially with HDR content. I think the macroblocking is a known issue that Sony will hopefully fix with a firmware update. I think anyone buying a 995ES should also purchase a Lumagen Pro or madVR Envy. That's the only way to get the most out of the projector. Normally I'd say that was a ridiculous prerequisite, but the additional cost is much smaller in relative terms than if it were required with a cheaper projector. If you have the cash for a 995ES, you probably have the cash for one of these video processors too. Plus, if you're spending this kind of cash on a projector, even if it offered a similar JVC DTM mode, these outboard processors are still better.
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #226 on: April 12, 2020, 09:05:46 AM »
Yeah the Sony has a few quirks that need to be fixed, especially with HDR content. I think the macroblocking is a known issue that Sony will hopefully fix with a firmware update. I think anyone buying a 995ES should also purchase a Lumagen Pro or madVR Envy. That's the only way to get the most out of the projector. Normally I'd say that was a ridiculous prerequisite, but the additional cost is much smaller in relative terms than if it were required with a cheaper projector. If you have the cash for a 995ES, you probably have the cash for one of these video processors too. Plus, if you're spending this kind of cash on a projector, even if it offered a similar JVC DTM mode, these outboard processors are still better.
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy.  One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2020, 09:16:36 AM by Franin »

Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #227 on: April 12, 2020, 12:59:12 PM »
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy.  One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #228 on: April 12, 2020, 01:47:28 PM »
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
Wouldn’t have a clue where to start and what I need. Ive got close too 400 4K UHD discs I would use it as a stand alone Blu ray player. I’ll have to look into some time. :)

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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #229 on: April 12, 2020, 10:05:44 PM »
The HTPC will not take care of your streaming needs.
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #230 on: April 13, 2020, 05:38:17 AM »
The HTPC will not take care of your streaming needs.
That depends on usage. Personally, I only watch Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray in the theater. If I were to stream JVC's DTM would more than suffice. Streaming only happens upstairs in my living room on the OLED.
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #231 on: April 13, 2020, 11:10:24 AM »
That depends on usage. Personally, I only watch Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray in the theater. If I were to stream JVC's DTM would more than suffice. Streaming only happens upstairs in my living room on the OLED.
I’m the same just 4K UHD Blu Rays in my theatre. Tv shows in the lounge room. 

Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #232 on: April 13, 2020, 02:44:15 PM »
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
For less than $500 and being able to use my 820 player (as I just watch discs), this is mightily tempting.

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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #233 on: April 14, 2020, 07:36:16 AM »
I’m the same just 4K UHD Blu Rays in my theatre. Tv shows in the lounge room.
So you’re happy to watch The Irishman on the small screen, but prefer to watch Goodfellas on the big screen?

This distinction doesn’t make sense anymore, and will make less and less sense in the future, especially in the aftermath of Covid19. A lot of movies will go online directly, and some might never get a UHD Bluray release, or much later than usual, to give Netflix a long enough window. Many filmmakers and storytellers are given more creative freedom (for better or worse) with the online players, and will make their films there rather than with the studios.

There was a time when you could say there was crappy TV content on streaming and better movie content on disc, but it’s not true anymore.

I want to watch The Irishman, Marriage Story, Bird Box, Killing Eve, Uncut Gems, Big Little Lies, Stranger Things, Dark and many other exclusives on the big screen and with the best possible sound and picture quality. Taste apart, they are just as worthy of getting the big screen and big audio treatment as anything else you can get on UHD Bluray, even if unfortunately streaming quality for both audio and video isn’t there yet.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2020, 07:42:38 AM by Manni »

Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #234 on: April 14, 2020, 07:47:21 AM »
So you’re happy to watch The Irishman on the small screen, but prefer to watch Goodfellas on the big screen?

This distinction doesn’t make sense anymore, and will make less and less sense in the future, especially in the aftermath of Covid19. A lot of movies will go online directly, and some might never get a UHD Bluray release, or much later than usual, to give Netflix a long enough window. Many filmmakers and storytellers are given more creative freedom (for better or worse) with the online players, and will make their films there rather than with the studios.

There was a time when you could say there was crappy TV content on streaming and better movie content on disc, but it’s not true anymore.

I want to watch The Irishman, Marriage Story, Bird Box, Killing Eve, Uncut Gems, Big Little Lies, Stranger Things, Dark and many other exclusives on the big screen and with the best possible sound and picture quality. Taste apart, they are just as worthy of getting the big screen and big audio treatment as anything else you can get on UHD Bluray, even if unfortunately streaming quality for both audio and video isn’t there yet.
I barley watch tv shows. Never seen Game of thrones etc. Ive got plenty of Blu ray and 4K UHD disks to keep me entertained. The ones I watch on tv is usually the ones I watch with my kids.

edit: Actually Manni not sure why with the hostile response. Ive never argued or commented on what people watch on their projector. 

« Last Edit: April 14, 2020, 08:11:27 AM by Franin »

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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #235 on: April 14, 2020, 09:30:03 AM »
I barley watch tv shows. Never seen Game of thrones etc. Ive got plenty of Blu ray and 4K UHD disks to keep me entertained. The ones I watch on tv is usually the ones I watch with my kids.

edit: Actually Manni not sure why with the hostile response. Ive never argued or commented on what people watch on their projector.
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)

It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.

So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.

So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.

Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)
« Last Edit: April 14, 2020, 09:33:51 AM by Manni »

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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #236 on: April 14, 2020, 10:40:32 AM »
Until the ban is lifted in CA, availability of the RS3000 is going to be very limited. Probably run out within the next week or two. JVC USA has projectors, but due to the ban caused by the Coronavirus , they can't get them into distribution. 
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #237 on: April 14, 2020, 11:03:40 AM »
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)

It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.

So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.

So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.

Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)
All good Manni 

I have watched a movie here and there on Apple TV and maybe your right soon I might have no choice to watch all new movies streamed. With everyone at home Atm let’s hope my bandwidth is able to handle it. Our internet over here in Aus is not as good as what you guys get in the US. 



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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #238 on: April 14, 2020, 11:54:13 AM »
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)

It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.

So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.

So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.

Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)

Even being the disc watching Luddite / curmudgeon I am when it comes to streaming, there are ( and have been ) several shows that my wife and I love watching in the theater. Homeland for one. Picard being in scope aspect ratio was made to watch in our theater. Great surround sound on a lot of shows too. Tour de France and the Olympics are great on the big screen in the theater for sure. :)   

Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #239 on: April 14, 2020, 08:30:13 PM »
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy.  One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.
Of course, you could always try the Dolby Vision/LLDV hack by using an HDFury Vertex, Vertex2, Diva, Maestro, etc. to trick your sources (Sony X700, X800M2; Oppo 203, 205; AppleTV 4K, etc.) into sending their Dolby Vision Profile 5 Low Latency Dolby Vision (LLDV) signal to your display, which needs to be set to it's HDR/ST2084 curve mode to display properly.  The resultant image is incredible on HDR10 only displays, such as a projector.

Each of those sources can also convert HDR10 and SDR HD video to LLDV as well and the results, when setup correctly, are amazing!  The AppleTV 4K works great for this.  Other sources such as the Panasonic UB820/9000, nVidia Shield Pro, Pioneer LX500 can send LLDV when they play a native DV file, but can't convert HDR10 or SDR HD.

This is extremely inexpensive in comparison to buying a Lumagen Radiance Pro or Envy, for those that can't afford or aren't willing to spend that much.  It is well worth the small costs and relatively painless setup and tweaking to get an awesome image on that large screen!

I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:

https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1

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