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Title: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on January 29, 2019, 12:02:44 PM
Alright - who has a new JVC RS3000 ? Post up some impressions !
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: YesAnotherTweet on January 29, 2019, 12:51:09 PM
I've actually had mine for what, 3 weeks now, and I am dying to fire this thing up and completely test it out.

I am still building the theater and I made a solemn promise that I would not install the screen or the projector till I was finished. I did take it out of the box and test it to make sure it was not DOA and everything seems to check out.

I threw up a quick 120" image and it was incredible. I spent a couple of hours setting all the settings to where I knew I wanted everything...no e-shift, CMD off, DI to manual for now, and I tested high/low lamp.

The fan is a tad bit loud on high lamp but not worried about it since I will hush box it.

Tested it with "Lucy" UHD and the colors were just incredible. Also did a few tests with Pacific Rim, Oblivion, and The Matrix (all UHD) and I was happy with what I saw. The Nvidia Shield seems to send out all the needed HDR info so the tone mapping seemed to be working.

So back in the box it went...cried a little. Ok, a lot!!! Until I finish this damn theater room. Doing it all by myself so it is a very slow process.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: ShadeRF on January 29, 2019, 02:26:48 PM
I've got mine with the Paladin DCR and its the most beautiful image I've ever seen projected and is a huge upgrade from my RS500. It blows my local cinema away. I've found myself putting in discs to demo for a few minutes and ended up watching the entire movie I'm just so mesmerized by the image being thrown, whether it be a blu-ray, 4k blu-ray or streaming.

I had some weird syncing issues with my OPPO 203 at first but i changed my cable from a Monoprice copper cable to one of the RUIpro cables and it seems to have cleared up. I'm also really happy that DI pumping on end credits seems to be a thing of the past as well. I haven't noticed any pumping on the dozen or so that I've watched. In general the DI doesn't seem to be as aggressive as my RS500 but black levels still look pretty good to me, at least comparable to my RS500 which I was a little worried about.

Also this thing is an absolute beast... getting it up to the mount, even with assistance was challenging haha.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on January 29, 2019, 02:50:52 PM
Good news regarding the D.I.  I prefer a less aggressive iris with less / no artifacts myself.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Kris Deering on February 16, 2019, 03:35:33 PM
My review unit arrived today. Should be fun giving it a whirl over the next couple weeks.

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on February 16, 2019, 04:06:19 PM
Can't wait to hear your thoughts!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on February 16, 2019, 04:17:38 PM
My review unit arrived today. Should be fun giving it a whirl over the next couple weeks.


Can't wait either!


It would be great if you could confirm my theory about why the filter numbers vary so much between low lamp and high lamp, and see if you also get a 10% cut with the filter in high lamp and 20% in low lamp.


Dylan has confirm the 10% cut in high lamp, but I don't think he has confirmed yet the 20% cut in low lamp (or I missed it).


If you can come up with an explanation, given that no additional filter seems to slide in when low lamp is enabled, it would also be welcome, because frankly I have no idea :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on February 16, 2019, 04:37:51 PM
Been a busy week with work. Haven't had much time to spend with the projector. I'm hoping to do a full calibration tomorrow or Monday. I will check low lamp to see if my unit measures like yours. I'm guessing it will because I measured the same 10% loss with high lamp.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on February 16, 2019, 04:57:59 PM
Been a busy week with work. Haven't had much time to spend with the projector. I'm hoping to do a full calibration tomorrow or Monday. I will check low lamp to see if my unit measures like yours. I'm guessing it will because I measured the same 10% loss with high lamp.

Great, looking forward to your results, and sorry, I didn’t mean this as a “hurry up!” :)

I’m done with calibration for now (just ran a Lightning LUT in Calman for my SDR rec-709 calibration with excellent results). Tomorrow is for the family (they haven’t seen me most of the week between work and the rs2000!) and I’ll have a couple of days early next week when I hope to be able to watch a few films in full work permitting after putting the rs2000 on its permanent (upper) shelf and setting all the installation modes for my various aspect ratios.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on February 16, 2019, 05:03:55 PM
What I find interesting, and is something I want to measure for myself, is that you found that enabling the P3 filter boosts native contrast to about 30,000:1. Unless I misread your posts. I measured ~23000:1 native without the filter. A 30% increase in contrast with just a 10% loss of light seems like a great trade off.


Edit: I just re-read your post and it's the other way around. The filter decreases contrast.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on February 17, 2019, 02:05:54 AM
What I find interesting, and is something I want to measure for myself, is that you found that enabling the P3 filter boosts native contrast to about 30,000:1. Unless I misread your posts. I measured ~23000:1 native without the filter. A 30% increase in contrast with just a 10% loss of light seems like a great trade off.


Edit: I just re-read your post and it's the other way around. The filter decreases contrast.

Maybe I got it wrong somewhere, please can you let me know where you read what you mention in your edit?

It's the opposite, as in the main part of your post: 24,000:1 without the filter, 30,000:1 with the filter, so using the filter brings 20% on/off here, this is one of the reasons why I recommend using it especially in high lamp if you can afford the 10% brightness cut.

All my contrast measurements are in the contrast measurements (advanced section of the calibration thread). I've added three zips, one for BT2020 (filter), one for HDR (no filter), one for High Bright (max measurements).

I have measured BT2020 and HDR in high lamp iris open: with the filter, without the filter, with and without the DI.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on March 29, 2019, 04:42:53 PM
Hi guys. I am new here.

After waiting since September, i will be getting my jvc 3000 next week, i hope on Tuesday.  Are there any 4k discs that you like that I should ge? Any suggustions for setting up?  It will be attached to my oppo 205
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 29, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
Lucy looks marvelous on UHD Blu-ray. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 29, 2019, 06:02:52 PM
Lucy looks marvelous on UHD Blu-ray.
I agree with this...looks fabulous...the movie isn't bad either. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on March 29, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
I am excited to get my 3000 also. Probably two to three weeks away. The image of the 3000 at CEDIA reminded me of my RS4500 I sold, so really looking forward to getting it.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 29, 2019, 06:57:38 PM
Sadly, I found out this week that it will probably be three more months before I can get a RS2000/NX7. JVC needs to satisfy all of the back orders first, which is completely understandable. They have to take care of their dealers/customers first. I can wait :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 29, 2019, 07:09:54 PM
Yeah, with all the delays (on top of the huge demand) if you didn't put in a pre-order last year, I fear it's going to be a long wait. Though I think the RS1000 is easy to get. I think Mike or Craig mentioned they have them in stock!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 29, 2019, 07:30:07 PM
Yeah, with all the delays (on top of the huge demand) if you didn't put in a pre-order last year, I fear it's going to be a long wait. Though I think the RS1000 is easy to get. I think Mike or Craig mentioned they have them in stock!
I'm getting direct from JVC on an accommodation deal, so I'm at the back of the line in order to save some $$$. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on March 30, 2019, 08:42:02 AM
I'm getting direct from JVC on an accommodation deal, so I'm at the back of the line in order to save some $$$.
It’s worth the wait. I’m sure you’ll love it. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 31, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
It’s worth the wait. I’m sure you’ll love it. :)
I'm sure I will :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 01, 2019, 07:08:11 AM
I'm getting direct from JVC on an accommodation deal, so I'm at the back of the line in order to save some $$$.
Yep, it is crowded at this spot. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on April 01, 2019, 09:24:13 PM
Well, my unit, I hope, will,be unstallec on Wednesday. I ordered Lucy, although it sounds a bit more violent for me.

Any suggustions about settings when setting up?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on April 03, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Just got my JVC 3000 and it has been running for an hour!!  I am using the Oppo 205 and Stewart  studiotek 100 screen.  Let you know soon. So far it looks good.

But where are the controls you mention for the lamp brightness?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 03, 2019, 12:45:56 PM
Just got my JVC 3000 and it has been running for an hour!!  I am using the Oppo 205 and Stewart studiotek 100 screen.  Let you know soon. So far it looks good.

But where are the controls you mention for the lamp brightness?
You adjust the lamp between high and low and then you use the manual iris to set brightness. Go to advanced menu on remote, then turn off dynamic iris and that will then allow you to adjust the manual iris. Then you can turn the dynamic iris back on.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 03, 2019, 12:46:40 PM
I'm sure I will :)
I am hearing the wait will be close to two more months. :( 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on April 03, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
Got mine today!  Using Stewart  studiotek 100. Lety you know how this works out.  David gave mke a lsit of movie to play. I ordered Lucy and will get to her ASAP. The First Man, Venom, 2001, and AVENGERS 3
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on April 03, 2019, 01:25:50 PM
Just got my JVC 3000 and it has been running for an hour!!  I am using the Oppo 205 and Stewart studiotek 100 screen.  Let you know soon. So far it looks good.

But where are the controls you mention for the lamp brightness?
Nice ! That's one great projector ! 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: TRainH2O on April 03, 2019, 02:15:06 PM
Got mine today!  Using Stewart studiotek 100. Lety you know how this works out.  David gave mke a lsit of movie to play. I ordered Lucy and will get to her ASAP. The First Man, Venom, 2001, and AVENGERS 3
Congratulations, Barry. I know you have been waiting a good while for it.

Maybe you should add The Lone Ranger to your first watch list. I know it's on David's. ::)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on April 03, 2019, 04:54:05 PM
That’s right Kemo-sabe!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 03, 2019, 05:14:59 PM
For me, maybe Avengers: Endgame release date: April 26, 2019. I might have my RS3000 by the time it is released on disc. :(
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: TRainH2O on April 03, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
For me, maybe Avengers: Endgame release date: April 26, 2019. I might have my RS3000 by the time it is released on disc. :(
Hopefully you won't have to wait quite that long.

What is your current projector and screen, Mike?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 03, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
Hopefully you won't have to wait quite that long.

What is your current projector and screen, Mike?
Have several, but I use an RS640 in my dedicated room right now. Shooting onto a scope, curved masking screen with Screen Acoustic V6 (AT) fabric. I use an A-lens. Here is a thread on my system. https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=124.0 (https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=124.0)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: TRainH2O on April 04, 2019, 08:05:38 AM
Nice. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on April 04, 2019, 11:36:23 AM
You adjust the lamp between high and low and then you use the manual iris to set brightness. Go to advanced menu on remote, then turn off dynamic iris and that will then allow you to adjust the manual iris. Then you can turn the dynamic iris back on.
Thanx so much!!!!!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on April 10, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
May I ask another question?  Where are the filters Manni mentioned to adjust the contrast?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on April 10, 2019, 01:11:11 PM
May I ask another question?  Where are the filters Manni mentioned to adjust the contrast?
I'm not sure what you mean. Contrast doesn't really need to be adjusted and is best left to 0. When/where did I mention these?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on July 08, 2019, 07:08:29 AM
Received my RS3000 Friday. Got it set up and played with it this weekend. The 3000 looks a lot like my RS4500 did, sharpness and motion wise, so very pleased. The image is very sharp, black levels and contrast are good. Star fields look good. The background looks black and the stars are bright. I do not see any streaking with white letters on a black background. When I hit the hide button, I might see a little bit of bright corners in two corners, but that is only after staring at it for a while and so faint, that I am not sure it is there. Motion is excellent. The auto tone mapping works well, but using the UB9000 I am able to keep the lamp in low and HDR still looks very good, so will be using the UB9000 for the HDR. 

Even Amazon and Netflix streaming content is looking good. Wife and I started watching the Expanse on Amazon and this 1080P streamed content looks good on the 3000. 

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on August 01, 2019, 06:11:07 AM
JVC announcing today a special. Buy an RS3000 today through September 30th and receive a free lamp. You will not have to send in for the free lamp. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: tigerhonaker on August 01, 2019, 07:20:32 AM
JVC announcing today a special. Buy an RS3000 today through September 30th and receive a free lamp. You will not have to send in for the free lamp.

Bonus 8)

Terry
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Kris Deering on August 01, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
I also finally cracked and bought the RS3000. Received it about the same time as Mike and have spent the last two weeks getting it dialed in. Unit I received is a nice sample. I see some elevated corners up top with the Hide function enabled, but have yet to notice them at all with any real content. Like models before this seems to be more obvious when the projector is synching to a signal than with actual content, even when I'm watching something with a black out scene. 

Pixel sharpness is very good, just a tad short of the best that I've seen. From seating distance I agree with Mike, this projector has a lot of the same qualities that I loved about the RS4500. Mainly the absolutely tack sharp image, which looks like a higher MTF that what I typically see from projectors. Motion is excellent and honestly I'm hard pressed to find anything to complain about. I have mine coupled with a Radiance Pro for HDR tone mapping and with the updated curves that Jim has released recently, I'm ecstatic with the overall picture quality. 

As always there are always things I'd like to see improved with future generations. Based on my findings so far I'd say I'd like to see JVC continue to push for higher and higher contrast (I'll say this until we hit OLED levels!!), I'd like to see the HDR Picture Mode feature expanded to custom setup for all input types. I'd like them to improve noise levels with high lamp (doesn't bother me in the slightest, but would still like to get it down to the levels I was measuring with the Sony models, which is slightly lower at their highest output) and of course something closer to their rated output but at calibrated levels. 

Right now I am not missing anything from my time with the RS4500 except the ability to go to a full blackout. That was nice, though it did come with some minor artifacts from time to time (laser dimming going too dim with some content). Overall though I'm extremely pleased with the performance I'm getting and honestly looking forward to having this projector for awhile to come. 

As always anyone in the Seattle area that wants to come and demo are welcome. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on August 13, 2019, 02:44:42 PM
Since the JVC's are carrying through this year, we will have special CEDIA pricing. Call us for details. (https://discuss.avscience.com/Smileys/flat_emoji/smiley.gif)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on August 19, 2019, 07:40:21 AM
Also since JVC is carrying through the RS1000, 2000, 3000 and 4500, I expect us to see more improvements to this line in the way of firmware. :) These projectors are really good right now, so any improvements added just makes them better. This is great for all the current owners as well as future owners.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on August 19, 2019, 07:47:02 AM
Have a few B-stock coming in. These were unexpected at this time, since JVC said it may be a while before we see any. Not many, so first come first serve. :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on August 27, 2019, 09:03:53 AM
RS3000 calibration with Lumagen DTM taking place Thursday. kris Deering will be here Thursday to calibrate and set up my Lumagen. Kris is a lot more familiar with the Lumagen, than I ever will be. Last Lumagen I owned was the Mini, several years ago. Sold it when I went to 4K with the Sony VW600 in 2014. :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: tigerhonaker on August 27, 2019, 09:27:43 AM
RS3000 calibration with Lumagen DTM taking place Thursday. kris Deering will be here Thursday to calibrate and set up my Lumagen. Kris is a lot more familiar with the Lumagen, than I ever will be. Last Lumagen I owned was the Mini, several years ago. Sold it when I went to 4K with the Sony VW600 in 2014. :)
Mike,

It will be interesting to see what you think after Kris D. does his thing ???

Terry
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on August 27, 2019, 10:31:33 AM
Will let you know. :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Kris Deering on August 31, 2019, 03:14:47 PM
Mike's picture was a tale of two cities really. He uses an older A-lens that really took away from not only the sharpness and light, but severely hurt his contrast giving the image a washed out look. He is working on some tweaks to the lens to see if he can get it better. Without the lens the image looked stunning for contrast and clarity. We looked at an assortment of HDR clips that solutions have struggled with over the years and they all looked fantastic. Hopefully Mike figures out something with his A-lens that delivers the same quality of image we saw with his 16x9 image!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on September 01, 2019, 07:20:44 AM
Picture looked great without the lens. I told Kris that I was going to line the inside of the lens with scope flocking. When I went to take the lens down, I discovered I had installed it upside down, when I installed the RS3000. This placed bright shiny metal on the exit side of the lens, very near to the exiting light. I took the lens apart and installed the flocking. I also installed it in the correct direction and both of these changes made a big difference. The contrast is now a lot closer to how it looks without the lens. Though there is still more pop without the lens due to the slightly better sharpness, contrast and added brightness on the smaller sized image.

Kris did a great job on my 3000 and Lumagen. DTM on the Lumagen really does a great job. Kris knows what he is doing and we discussed it step by step as he set everything up. Thanks Kris. See you at CEDIA. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on September 05, 2019, 07:15:18 AM
New firmware features
New features
Frame by frame DTM HDR Can also be set up for scene by scene.
12 bit to 18 bit
Anamorphic D (DCR owners can rejoice)
SpyderX support for autocal
More support for screen selection.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on September 05, 2019, 07:22:41 AM
Press Release !

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consumer/firmware_update.html (http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consumer/firmware_update.html)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: rob-houston on September 05, 2019, 08:34:35 AM
New firmware features
New features
Frame by frame DTM HDR Can also be set up for scene by scene.
12 bit to 18 bit
Anamorphic D (DCR owners can rejoice)
SpyderX support for autocal
More support for screen selection.
I've always been impressed with how JVC improves their models with firmware updates! :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on September 19, 2019, 12:47:10 PM
Here is a JVC video on the new HDR firmware.
https://www.ravepubs.com/rave-video/cedia-2019-jvc-announces-dila-firmware-update-with-frame-adapt-hdr-technology/ (https://www.ravepubs.com/rave-video/cedia-2019-jvc-announces-dila-firmware-update-with-frame-adapt-hdr-technology/)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on September 20, 2019, 08:26:54 PM
Men in Black International looked great on the RS3000 with Lumagen DTM. Double header with John Wick Chapter 3 for the encore. Both looked very good. The calibrated 3000 with the Lumagen looked incredible. :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Barry on September 24, 2019, 11:23:06 AM
Thanks to all who posted about the new firmware release. I just installed it!  It took 15 minutes for the install and then, perhaps, another 5 minutes for the unit to turn on for the first time after the new firmware was installed.  Picture looks fine for TV/cable.  Haven't yet put on the Panasonic 9000 blu ray.

BUT THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on September 24, 2019, 11:54:34 AM
You have one great projector ! 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on September 30, 2019, 06:50:43 AM
CEDIA special ends today for the 3000.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 03, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
I am hearing from beta testers that the new DTM in the JVC is really good. Game changer good, compared to what other projector manufacturers are offering. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: woofer on October 03, 2019, 01:53:06 PM
I am hearing from beta testers that the new DTM in the JVC is really good. Game changer good, compared to what other projector manufacturers are offering.
But not so good against madVR or a Lumagen ?? 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on October 03, 2019, 03:31:29 PM
But not so good against madVR or a Lumagen ??
I plan on taking a look at this next week (or if I can get my hands on the firmware before then).
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 03, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
But not so good against madVR or a Lumagen ??
The difference is going to be a lot smaller than I expected.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: woofer on October 04, 2019, 01:26:24 AM
The difference is going to be a lot smaller than I expected.
Thats good to hear.....it will make alot of users who cant afford a Lumagen OR HTPC very happy..:)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: tigerhonaker on October 04, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
The difference is going to be a lot smaller than I expected.
Mike, 

A heck of a lot Less-Expensive for sure.

I sure hope they (JVC) can do the same for the RS4500. ;)

Terry
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on October 08, 2019, 03:03:47 PM
How to update your firmware ( if you haven't done it before ) - 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be)


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on October 08, 2019, 05:27:05 PM
How to update your firmware ( if you haven't done it before ) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be)
That's a tease...the firmware isn't on the site yet! Isn't is tomorrow in Japan?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on October 08, 2019, 05:33:02 PM
That's a tease...the firmware isn't on the site yet! Isn't is tomorrow in Japan?
Supposed to be tomorrow on the US site too. Check in the morning - 

https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/ (https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/)

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on October 08, 2019, 06:07:46 PM
Supposed to be tomorrow on the US site too. Check in the morning -

https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/ (https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/)
I know...I'm just giving Chris a hard time...I know he reads these threads :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 08, 2019, 06:15:58 PM
To help you get ready for the update.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on October 08, 2019, 07:19:44 PM
To help you get ready for the update.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be)
I beat you to that already !  8)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 08, 2019, 07:58:14 PM
Here you go.
https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/ (https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on October 08, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Mine is updating as of 7:39 PST tonight (downloaded at 7:38 ) 22 minute update, so I should be done any minute now. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 09, 2019, 06:38:41 AM
New list of codes with added functions for firmware 3.1.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 10, 2019, 01:57:24 PM
Frame adapt
When in auto mode, it looks at frames or scenes and selects what it feels is most appropriate. So it will vary between low, medium and high throughout the movie.  So for images above 2,000 nits, it selects low. For images between 500 and 2,000 nits it selects medium and for images below 500 nits, it selects high.

Frame Adpt Menu
Static: This is for a fixed nit level, like with UB9000 with HDR Optimizer.

Frame by frame: as the name says, will analyze frame by frame for DTM.

Scene by Scene: as the name says, will analyze scene by scene for DTM.


Filter
Normal is no filter, same as HDR no filter we had before.
Wide is with BT2020 filter. DCI color space.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DLCPhoto on October 10, 2019, 07:59:03 PM
Filter
Normal is no filter, Rec709 color space.
Wide is with BT2020 filter. DCI color space.
This is unexpected.  In recent JVC Projector generations, one had the choice of BT2020 Color Space, with or without the Color Filter, with the Filter providing greater color coverage at the expense of some light.

Have they removed this option, or did your source mis-speak?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 10, 2019, 08:52:47 PM
This is unexpected.  In recent JVC Projector generations, one had the choice of BT2020 Color Space, with or without the Color Filter, with the Filter providing greater color coverage at the expense of some light.

Have they removed this option, or did your source mis-speak?
I was given slightly wrong information. Normal is the old HDR mode, so slightly wider than Rec709. I have corrected the post above.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on October 12, 2019, 10:46:20 AM
New list of codes with added functions for firmware 3.1.
Hi Mike,

Would you have the IP Control codes for the new commands (especially the DTM profile?)
Thanks!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 12, 2019, 08:34:24 PM
Hi Mike,

Would you have the IP Control codes for the new commands (especially the DTM profile?)
Thanks!
No, but I will ask if JVC has them.

Added
[font=Segoe UI, Segoe UI Web (West European), Segoe UI, -apple-system, system-ui, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif]Frame Adapt is 0x0B[/font][/color]

[font=Segoe UI, Segoe UI Web (West European), Segoe UI, -apple-system, system-ui, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif]Regular HDR10 is 0x04[/font][/color]
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 22, 2019, 10:11:51 AM
JVC codes.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on October 22, 2019, 10:45:17 AM
JVC codes.
Hi Mike,

There are no new commands in this file, Sirmaster only posted it to show the commands format.

The new direct command for frame adapt HDR (from the commands you kindly provided translated by Sirmaster) is:

\x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x50\x4D\x30\x42\x0A
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Sittler27 on October 22, 2019, 06:08:12 PM
JVC codes.
How would I get the new options fw3.1 offers (ana-D, DTM mode) as available options on my Harmony remote?  Can I somehow use this file through the Harmony software?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 22, 2019, 06:24:20 PM
How would I get the new options fw3.1 offers (ana-D, DTM mode) as available options on my Harmony remote?  Can I somehow use this file through the Harmony software?
You would have to ask Harmony to add the codes to their database.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on October 24, 2019, 10:42:17 AM
Looks like I'm getting an NX9/RS3000 to review now that JVC is keeping these models another year.

Should be fun putting it up against my RS2000. In fact that will be the main focus of the review; what do you gain by stepping up to the RS3000/NX9?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on October 24, 2019, 11:24:43 AM
Looking forward to your review. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on October 24, 2019, 11:31:39 AM
Looks like I'm getting an NX9/RS3000 to review now that JVC is keeping these models another year.

Should be fun putting it up against my RS2000. In fact that will be the main focus of the review; what do you gain by stepping up to the RS3000/NX9?
You gain the same lens as the RS4500 ! 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 03, 2019, 01:38:48 AM
Hopefully should be receiving the NX9 this week sometime
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 03, 2019, 06:54:21 AM
Hopefully should be receiving the NX9 this week sometime
Awesome! Let us know your thoughts when it arrives. ;)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 03, 2019, 07:25:51 AM
Awesome! Let us know your thoughts when it arrives. ;)
Will do, Thanks Dylan :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on November 05, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
Revised JVC control document.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 06, 2019, 04:43:52 PM
Awesome! Let us know your thoughts when it arrives. ;)
Picked it up yesterday, did a firmware update all good to go.

So far so go good. I’m impressed.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 08, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
Hi all

Does anyone else notice the hdmi handshake and how long before it gets a pic up? Not the end of the world but I’m guessing it has to do with DI. I’m going to try tonight Manual to see what happens. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 08, 2019, 07:15:58 PM
Hi all

Does anyone else notice the hdmi handshake and how long before it gets a pic up? Not the end of the world but I’m guessing it has to do with DI. I’m going to try tonight Manual to see what happens.


Believe it or not, the older JVC projectors took even longer. This is something JVC has been working on. If you're watching cable and switching channels alters the resolution, I can imagine the long HDMI sync time could get annoying. If that's where you're running into issues, most cable boxes will allow you to set a single resolution to output at all times. The cable box will scale any content that isn't the same as the set output resolution. This should help.


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 08, 2019, 07:47:25 PM

Believe it or not, the older JVC projectors took even longer. This is something JVC has been working on. If you're watching cable and switching channels alters the resolution, I can imagine the long HDMI sync time could get annoying. If that's where you're running into issues, most cable boxes will allow you to set a single resolution to output at all times. The cable box will scale any content that isn't the same as the set output resolution. This should help.
I’m running a 4k players ( nearly 300 4k UHD Discs ) Panasonic UB9000/820/420 for 4K UHD only no cable. But your right it’s been a long while since I’ve had the older JVC models I’ve forgotten how bad they were with Hdmi Handshake. My Sony 995es was quicker with the handshake but it doesn’t make up for the issues they all have.


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 16, 2019, 05:51:14 PM
Hi all 

Tried to get an answer from the other forum with no luck I’ve noticed looking at the proj from the front when on low lamp mode the fan in the right side is not turning. The heat is coming out from the left vent only. Is the right hand side fan should be turning or does that kick in high lamp mode or increase of temp ?

Cheers 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 16, 2019, 07:55:47 PM
I will do my best to check on this for you. If you place the projector into high lamp mode, does the other fan kick on? I wouldn't worry about this (if it truly is an issue) damaging the projector. If the internal temperature of the projector gets too hot, the projector will shut itself off.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 16, 2019, 07:59:05 PM
I will do my best to check on this for you. If you place the projector into high lamp mode, does the other fan kick on? I wouldn't worry about this (if it truly is an issue) damaging the projector. If the internal temperature of the projector gets too hot, the projector will shut itself off.
To be honest Dylan I have not checked high Lamp mode. I assumed that the fan worked regardless. On low lamp mode its literally whisper quiet.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 16, 2019, 08:57:19 PM
Hi Dylan 

I’m an idiot. Ive looked at the frame of the fan instead. I just looked closely and the fan is going. 

Im losing it :-\
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 17, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Hi Dylan

I’m an idiot. Ive looked at the frame of the fan instead. I just looked closely and the fan is going.

Im losing it :-\
You are looking in the wrong direction - the screen is behind you ! ::)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 17, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
You are looking in the wrong direction - the screen is behind you ! ::)
Lol :) you are correct 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 17, 2019, 06:38:43 PM
No worries, we all make mistakes like this from time to time. Just be happy that there isn't an issue with your expensive projector haha
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 17, 2019, 07:19:15 PM
No worries, we all make mistakes like this from time to time. Just be happy that there isn't an issue with your expensive projector haha
I wouldn’t be happy. After going through Sony’s issues it’s all I need. But I’m glad it’s okay. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 20, 2019, 07:10:44 PM
I got the NX9, same as RS3000, last week from JVC to review. Really impressed so far. This thing is quite a bit brighter than my RS2000 from the same distance back from my screen. Native contrast is a little better (only measured OOTB contrast so far), but the dynamic contrast is much better than the RS2000's. I measured 475,000:1 max dynamic contrast OOTB. This is about twice that of my RS2000. Then there's the lens. It's not as sharp as I thought it was going to be against my RS2000, but I guess that shows you how good the 65mm lens is on the RS2000, but overall there's much more clarity to the image on the NX9.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 20, 2019, 08:33:34 PM
I got the NX9, same as RS3000, last week from JVC to review. Really impressed so far. This thing is quite a bit brighter than my RS2000 from the same distance back from my screen. Native contrast is a little better (only measured OOTB contrast so far), but the dynamic contrast is much better than the RS2000's. I measured 475,000:1 max dynamic contrast OOTB. This is about twice that of my RS2000. Then there's the lens. It's not as sharp as I thought it was going to be against my RS2000, but I guess that shows you how good the 65mm lens is on the RS2000, but overall there's much more clarity to the image on the RS3000.
I’m impressed with the NX9 still learning it. Getting to understand what some of the noises are. I noticed the colour filter when on / off makes noise lol. 

coming from the Sony 995es the lens on the JVC is quite similar very sharp. The locos panels vs SXRD panels the Jvc ones are definitely better than what’s on the Sony. 

still putting it through its paces. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 21, 2019, 04:31:41 AM
I’m impressed with the NX9 still learning it. Getting to understand what some of the noises are. I noticed the colour filter when on / off makes noise lol.

coming from the Sony 995es the lens on the JVC is quite similar very sharp. The locos panels vs SXRD panels the Jvc ones are definitely better than what’s on the Sony.

still putting it through its paces.

The color filter is motorized and moves in and out of the light path. That's why you hear it when it engages and disengages.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 21, 2019, 04:46:21 AM
The color filter is motorized and moves in and out of the light path. That's why you hear it when it engages and disengages.
Funny thing though when it goes ( Hdmi handshake )  coming from HDR ( Wide ) going to home screen if I use THX mode for Blu ray it disengages and engages again.  Wouldn’t that cause issue later down the track ?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 21, 2019, 05:06:19 AM
On another this happens only on that masciola disc HDR 10 using dynamic contrast - what is that green spots - lights ??

Not sure why photo uploads sideways

Setup is aperture 0 auto 2 Frame by Frame. Ive tried manual Aperture I’ve tried static tone mapping still there on dynamic contrast. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 21, 2019, 06:08:49 AM
Funny thing though when it goes ( Hdmi handshake )  coming from HDR ( Wide ) going to home screen if I use THX mode for Blu ray it disengages and engages again.  Wouldn’t that cause issue later down the track ?

I'm sure JVC has factored in for this type of switching. The older eshift models had a similar filter that would engage and disengage too and I haven't heard a single person say the filter mechanism has failed.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 21, 2019, 06:37:23 AM
I'm sure JVC has factored in for this type of switching. The older eshift models had a similar filter that would engage and disengage too and I haven't heard a single person say the filter mechanism has failed.
That’s good to know cheers 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 21, 2019, 07:22:37 AM
On another this happens only on that masciola disc HDR 10 using dynamic contrast - what is that green spots - lights ??

Not sure why photo uploads sideways

Setup is aperture 0 auto 2 Frame by Frame. Ive tried manual Aperture I’ve tried static tone mapping still there on dynamic contrast.
If you edit the original photo ( crop a tiny bit maybe ) and save it, it won't turn sideways ( use the copy ). Just FYI. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 21, 2019, 07:25:47 AM
If you edit the original photo ( crop a tiny bit maybe ) and save it, it won't turn sideways ( use the copy ). Just FYI.
Thanks 

it looks as it’s reflecting. But normal movie watching nothing
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: woofer on November 21, 2019, 12:08:06 PM
 Then there's the lens. It's not as sharp as I thought it was going to be against my RS2000, but I guess that shows you how good the 65mm lens is on the RS2000, but overall there's much more clarity to the image on the NX9.
There seems to be a large variation in the lens on the NX9 ... i have had 3 samples and they all had variations. The first unit had the sharpest lens, the last (3rd / newest unit)   had the worst lens.

I had an N5 that actually had a better/sharper lens than the last sample NX9 i had..
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 21, 2019, 12:49:35 PM
There seems to be a large variation in the lens on the NX9 ... i have had 3 samples and they all had variations. The first unit had the sharpest lens, the last (3rd / newest unit)  had the worst lens.

I had an N5 that actually had a better/sharper lens than the last sample NX9 i had..
I've had 4 different RS2000's here. All of them varied a bit in lens sharpness. The one I currently own is the best out of the bunch and the same can be said about convergence. The lens in the NX9 I have is even better than my RS2000. It's not as apparent as I thought it was going to be though. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 21, 2019, 02:30:58 PM
Hi all 
That pic I posted not sure as to why it’s happening on that particular disc HDR 10 on dynamic contrast Selection but watching a film I don’t see it.. Is seems to be reflecting. Is it a fault or just an issue with that disc? 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 21, 2019, 02:38:55 PM
Hi all
That pic I posted not sure as to why it’s happening on that particular disc HDR 10 on dynamic contrast Selection but watching a film I don’t see it.. Is seems to be reflecting. Is it a fault or just an issue with that disc?
It looks to be an internal reflection inside the light engine. When an iris closes down in a projector's lens, it can force a lot of light back into the projector (because the light is hitting the back side of the iris and sending it back into the light engine) and cause issues like you see in that photo. It's not a "fault" per say, but rather how optics/irises work on a projector, especially when it's as bright as the RS3000.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 21, 2019, 02:51:04 PM
It looks to be an internal reflection inside the light engine. When an iris closes down in a projector's lens, it can force a lot of light back into the projector (because the light is hitting the back side of the iris and sending it back into the light engine) and cause issues like you see in that photo. It's not a "fault" per say, but rather how optics/irises work on a projector, especially when it's as bright as the RS3000.
Thank you. The projector is projecting on a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart Studio tech G3 1.3 Gain Scope Screen but when it’s in 16:9 mode ( which that was the case ) if I recall it’s at 92” or  96” . 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 21, 2019, 02:57:19 PM
Are the NX9 owners using auto 2 or on manual for the aperture ? Ive now left the Aperture on 0 but on manual. 

Any tips or recommendations on preferred settings ?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 25, 2019, 08:01:31 AM
It looks to be an internal reflection inside the light engine. When an iris closes down in a projector's lens, it can force a lot of light back into the projector (because the light is hitting the back side of the iris and sending it back into the light engine) and cause issues like you see in that photo. It's not a "fault" per say, but rather how optics/irises work on a projector, especially when it's as bright as the RS3000.
I found out the cause. It’s because I put the JVC on my mid shelf in my room ( long story as to why it’s their ). One I placed it high in my back room the reflection was gone.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 25, 2019, 08:32:22 AM
I found out the cause. It’s because I put the JVC on my mid shelf in my room ( long story as to why it’s their ). One I placed it high in my back room the reflection was gone.
Great to hear. My guess is the angle of the light leaving the lens has changed and removed the artifact.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on November 25, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Are the NX9 owners using auto 2 or on manual for the aperture ? Ive now left the Aperture on 0 but on manual.

Any tips or recommendations on preferred settings ?
You are running extremely bright. Especially on  the 92" image. You need to close down the manual iris quite a bit. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 25, 2019, 02:52:56 PM
You are running extremely bright. Especially on  the 92" image. You need to close down the manual iris quite a bit.
Close it to what level mike ? And when zooming to 117” at 0 is it still too bright ?


Cheers 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on November 25, 2019, 03:58:14 PM
Close it to what level mike ? And when zooming to 117” at 0 is it still too bright ?


Cheers
Are you in high lamp or low? What is your throw distance to your 117" diagonal 1.3 gain 2.37 screen. I listed the screen info, so I have it all in one place. :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 25, 2019, 05:17:36 PM
Are you in high lamp or low? What is your throw distance to your 117" diagonal 1.3 gain 2.37 screen. I listed the screen info, so I have it all in one place. :)
It’s around 5.1m if it’s in the back room ( projector room ). Low lamp mode.

If I put in shelf in room ( mid way ) it’s 4.40m 
Thank you mike :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on November 26, 2019, 06:59:40 AM
It’s around 5.1m if it’s in the back room ( projector room ). Low lamp mode.

If I put in shelf in room ( mid way ) it’s 4.40m
Thank you mike :)
In low lamp with wide open iris you are probably looking at 32/33FL. That is very bright for SDR. I would close the iris down to around -10 to -12 range. For HDR you could run in low with iris open or in high with iris closed down to around -5. It is easy to get used to all that brightness with iris fully open, but you are raising the black floor much higher than it should be and when your lamp ages, you have nowhere to go. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 26, 2019, 07:25:24 AM
In low lamp with wide open iris you are probably looking at 32/33FL. That is very bright for SDR. I would close the iris down to around -10 to -12 range. For HDR you could run in low with iris open or in high with iris closed down to around -5. It is easy to get used to all that brightness with iris fully open, but you are raising the black floor much higher than it should be and when your lamp ages, you have nowhere to go.
Thanks Mike but I’m in low lamp for HDR I’m trying -9 but manual atm. Doesn’t look too bad.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: woofer on November 26, 2019, 11:37:27 AM
You REALLY need a light meter..
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 26, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Great article on the new HDR Dynamic Tone Mapping - 

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/hands-jvc-s-dynamic-tone-mapping-update (https://www.soundandvision.com/content/hands-jvc-s-dynamic-tone-mapping-update)


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 26, 2019, 01:41:38 PM
You REALLY need a light meter..

It's a super handy item to have. Not having one is like riding high end bicycles but not owning a tire pressure gauge ! 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DLCPhoto on November 26, 2019, 02:10:24 PM
Great article on the new HDR Dynamic Tone Mapping -

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/hands-jvc-s-dynamic-tone-mapping-update (https://www.soundandvision.com/content/hands-jvc-s-dynamic-tone-mapping-update)
Interesting article - thanks!

Is there any reason JVC has apparently been so 'coy' about explaining more precisely how the various new options work?  There is plenty of speculation, but precious little information.

For example, with Frame-by-Frame "Auto" - is MetaData used to determine whether Low/Medium/High?  Is this determination a one-time event, or is it ongoing?  Kris said this in the article:

Quote
According to JVC, when in Auto mode the projector will measure the incoming video signal in real time and determine which level (Low/Medium/High) to use based on the brightness of the incoming frame or scene.

This almost implies it's a dynamic process, which would be interesting - having the Low/Medium/High scaling determined in a dynamic fashion, and then within that scaling, having the Dynamic Tone Mapping operate underneath that.  I'm not sure this really makes sense, though, or if this is what they meant to imply.

I'm not expecting them to reveal details of proprietary algorithms used, but defining how these options work, to provide some logical rationale for how to choose them, would certainly be useful.


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 26, 2019, 02:46:02 PM
It is dynamic - it measures the video content, similar to what the Lumagen does. Metadata is unreliable or non existent half the time.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DLCPhoto on November 26, 2019, 04:05:41 PM
It is dynamic - it measures the video content, similar to what the Lumagen does. Metadata is unreliable or non existent half the time.
Interesting.  Many, including myself, had the impression that a single value (Low, Medium or high) was chosen when using Auto mode, based on whatever criteria JVC built into the process, and it stayed that way throughout.

But if the selection when in Auto mode may vary from one frame or scene to another, depending on the incoming signal, that could potentially provide optimal results, regardless of the content.  I'll have to explore using Auto, and see what it does, or doesn't do, with a variety of content.

Still, it would be extremely helpful if JVC put out a PDF of some type, not necessarily a formal 'White Paper' as such, but at least providing some level of detail as far as what the different options do, how they interact, more precise guidelines for their usage, etc.

Thanks for the reply, Craig.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 26, 2019, 05:04:13 PM
You REALLY need a light meter..
Any recommendations of a good one woofer. Not too expensive but reliable as I will only use it a couple of times. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 26, 2019, 05:06:47 PM


Still, it would be extremely helpful if JVC put out a PDF of some type, not necessarily a formal 'White Paper' as such, but at least providing some level of detail as far as what the different options do, how they interact, more precise guidelines for their usage, etc.


I agree I would love to know what the different options do.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 26, 2019, 05:08:16 PM
Just curious has anyone tried scene by scene vs frame by frame ? Ive tried it but couldn't see much difference. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 26, 2019, 05:20:50 PM
Any recommendations of a good one woofer. Not too expensive but reliable as I will only use it a couple of times.
Cheap but seems to work -
Dr.Meter LX1330B Digital Illuminance/Light Meter, 0 - 200,000 Lux Luxmeter

Better but more expensive -
Sper Scientific 840020C Lux Light Meter

You will use one off and on as long as you own a projector.


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 26, 2019, 05:24:14 PM
Interesting.  Many, including myself, had the impression that a single value (Low, Medium or high) was chosen when using Auto mode, based on whatever criteria JVC built into the process, and it stayed that way throughout.

But if the selection when in Auto mode may vary from one frame or scene to another, depending on the incoming signal, that could potentially provide optimal results, regardless of the content.  I'll have to explore using Auto, and see what it does, or doesn't do, with a variety of content.

Still, it would be extremely helpful if JVC put out a PDF of some type, not necessarily a formal 'White Paper' as such, but at least providing some level of detail as far as what the different options do, how they interact, more precise guidelines for their usage, etc.

Thanks for the reply, Craig.

That would be a static tone map - we already had that. The revolutionary thing about this is analyzes the video and adjusts the HDR frame by frame ( or scene by scene ).
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DLCPhoto on November 26, 2019, 06:53:57 PM
That would be a static tone map - we already had that. The revolutionary thing about this is analyzes the video and adjusts the HDR frame by frame ( or scene by scene ).
We may be talking past each other here Craig.

I understand what the basic Dynamic Tone Mapping means, where it analyzes the image on a frame-by-frame or a scene-by-scene basis, completely different from any of the static Tone Mapping previously available.

What I'm questioning is what using the "Auto" setting does.  The other available options are Low, Medium, and High, and the quote from Kris Deering (reporting on what JVC told him) seemed to imply that the Auto setting is Dynamically assigning the Low, Medium, or High setting, based on the incoming visual signal.

So we seem to be looking at 2 different 'levels' of Dynamic modification of Tone Mapping: there's the frame-by-frame or scene-by-scene mapping, which seems relatively straightforward, but the quote implies that the assignment of Low, Medium, or High is also being dynamically adjusted.

In other words, we have Low, Medium, and High being dynamically assigned, which would seem to provide different parameters to govern the lower level frame-by-frame or scene-by-scene dynamic tone mapping.

Kind of hard to put in words, but hopefully this will clear it up.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on November 26, 2019, 07:06:19 PM
We may be talking past each other here Craig.

I understand what the basic Dynamic Tone Mapping means, where it analyzes the image on a frame-by-frame or a scene-by-scene basis, completely different from any of the static Tone Mapping previously available.

What I'm questioning is what using the "Auto" setting does.  The other available options are Low, Medium, and High, and the quote from Kris Deering (reporting on what JVC told him) seemed to imply that the Auto setting is Dynamically assigning the Low, Medium, or High setting, based on the incoming visual signal.

So we seem to be looking at 2 different 'levels' of Dynamic modification of Tone Mapping: there's the frame-by-frame or scene-by-scene mapping, which seems relatively straightforward, but the quote implies that the assignment of Low, Medium, or High is also being dynamically adjusted.

In other words, we have Low, Medium, and High being dynamically assigned, which would seem to provide different parameters to govern the lower level frame-by-frame or scene-by-scene dynamic tone mapping.

Kind of hard to put in words, but hopefully this will clear it up.
I understand what you are asking now. According to Kris in his most recent post on the " other forum ", auto seems to pick medium. I don't think there are two levels of DTM going on. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DLCPhoto on November 26, 2019, 07:40:09 PM
I understand what you are asking now. According to Kris in his most recent post on the " other forum ", auto seems to pick medium. I don't think there are two levels of DTM going on.
Good.  And I just read that post, and replied with a follow-up question.

As I said there, while I have no reason or basis to doubt Kris's observations, it just doesn't seem to make sense for JVC to have the "Auto" option if it is consistently the same as "Medium."  This would suggest that there is something more going on.

But what that is, I have no clue at this point, and seems like something JVC could quite easily clarify.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on November 26, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
Interesting.  Many, including myself, had the impression that a single value (Low, Medium or high) was chosen when using Auto mode, based on whatever criteria JVC built into the process, and it stayed that way throughout.

But if the selection when in Auto mode may vary from one frame or scene to another, depending on the incoming signal, that could potentially provide optimal results, regardless of the content.  I'll have to explore using Auto, and see what it does, or doesn't do, with a variety of content.

Still, it would be extremely helpful if JVC put out a PDF of some type, not necessarily a formal 'White Paper' as such, but at least providing some level of detail as far as what the different options do, how they interact, more precise guidelines for their usage, etc.

Thanks for the reply, Craig.
Let me see if I can get a PDF from JVC.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on November 27, 2019, 02:18:01 AM
Good.  And I just read that post, and replied with a follow-up question.

As I said there, while I have no reason or basis to doubt Kris's observations, it just doesn't seem to make sense for JVC to have the "Auto" option if it is consistently the same as "Medium."  This would suggest that there is something more going on.

But what that is, I have no clue at this point, and seems like something JVC could quite easily clarify.

The main reason might be to simply take the guesswork out of the user's mind: you choose auto, no need to think about it anymore, because you think the PJ will find the best option... which happens to be medium.

It's like allowing to choose the colorspace with a 12bits input: although you can choose YCC444, YCC422 or RGB, any choice always selects the same as auto, which is YCC422, due to some limitation in the PJ with 12bit content.

I personally think that AUTO should use the metadata to select low, high or medium, except when the metadata is absent or invalid, in which case it should use medium, and then use dynamic tonemapping within that range.

Ideally what you want is to be able to tell the PJ what your peak brightness is, so that the DTM makes the best choices based on that, and not any metadata. This is how madVR (and I think the Radiance Pro) does it, though there are a lot more options as well to get the best results automatically.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on November 27, 2019, 02:30:08 AM
Cheap but seems to work -
Dr.Meter LX1330B Digital Illuminance/Light Meter, 0 - 200,000 Lux Luxmeter

Better but more expensive -
Sper Scientific 840020C Lux Light Meter

You will use one off and on as long as you own a projector.

Just ordered the Dr Meter cheers
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on November 27, 2019, 07:57:32 AM
Let me see if I can get a PDF from JVC.
You could ask them to check the existing PDF, that states that AUTO is using metadata to determine which DTM level to use. See page two of attached, it clearly says that MaxCLL,MaxFALL are being used by AUTO. Then maybe expand a bit on each option, for example what it does when the metadata is invalid (pick medium) or if it uses metadata at all with AUTO.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on November 28, 2019, 01:35:46 AM
Looks like it's working as described in the PDF after all, and how it should be: AUTO uses the metadata to select Low, High or Medium when the metadata is valid, or Medium when it isn't. Kris had been fooled by a bug in the Radiance that was changing the metadata.

Hopefully at some point JVC will allow the user to input they peak brightness (like madVR and the Radiance Pro do) so that they don't have to rely to a level that doesn't work for all titles or relies on unreliable metadata to choose a range.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on December 03, 2019, 04:44:16 PM
I take back my comments about the lens not making that much of a difference on the RS3000. What I ended up doing is overlapping the RS2000's image with the RS3000/NX9's image and by pressing the Hide button I seamlessly swapped the two images instantaneously. Looking at test patterns, I notice not only are the pixels far more delineated, but there seems to be more dynamic range within the image as well. That is, the pixels who need to be black are a much darker shade of black on the NX9 in these test patterns. This gives the impression of more sharpness as adjacent pixels can be portrayed in starker contrast to one another. Really impressed so far. I might just have to find a way to keep this projector!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on December 03, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
I take back my comments about the lens not making that much of a difference on the RS3000. What I ended up doing is overlapping the RS2000's image with the RS3000/NX9's image and by pressing the Hide button I seamlessly swapped the two images instantaneously. Looking at test patterns, I notice not only are the pixels far more delineated, but there seems to be more dynamic range within the image as well. That is, the pixels who need to be black are a much darker shade of black on the NX9 in these test patterns. This gives the impression of more sharpness as adjacent pixels can be portrayed in starker contrast to one another. Really impressed so far. I might just have to find a way to keep this projector!
The 2000 is a good projector, but that lens really separates the two. Really like my 3000. At one of the shootouts where Kris Deering set up and measured both an RS2000 and an RS3000, Kris commented on how they measured the same, contrast wise. But the 3000 looked like it had better contrast, due to the lens.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on December 04, 2019, 05:43:23 AM
Dunno if they cherry picked a unit for me, but this RS3000 is measuring in quite a bit higher in contrast than my RS2000.  The least amount of contrast I'm measuring is 38,500:1 (Iris open, max moom). Under the same conditions my RS2000 measures in around 32,000:1 iirc. Dynamic contrast is quite a bit different too. I see about 175,000:1 vs 475,000:1. Fades to black when the Iris clamps down is noticably darker on the RS3000.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on December 04, 2019, 09:07:56 AM
Dunno if they cherry picked a unit for me, but this RS3000 is measuring in quite a bit higher in contrast than my RS2000.  The least amount of contrast I'm measuring is 38,500:1 (Iris open, max moom). Under the same conditions my RS2000 measures in around 32,000:1 iirc. Dynamic contrast is quite a bit different too. I see about 175,000:1 vs 475,000:1. Fades to black when the Iris clamps down is noticably darker on the RS3000.

Maybe later production units have improved over time. Or, maybe you got a Golden Sample. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on December 04, 2019, 04:23:43 PM
The RS3000 has a very good lens on it. I get edge to edge sharpness as I did with my Sony 995es lens. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on December 04, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
The RS3000 has a very good lens on it. I get edge to edge sharpness as I did with my Sony 995es lens.
Yes, those two lenses have about the same performance. Both are excellent, top quality lenses.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on December 05, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
Dunno if they cherry picked a unit for me, but this RS3000 is measuring in quite a bit higher in contrast than my RS2000.  The least amount of contrast I'm measuring is 38,500:1 (Iris open, max moom). Under the same conditions my RS2000 measures in around 32,000:1 iirc. Dynamic contrast is quite a bit different too. I see about 175,000:1 vs 475,000:1. Fades to black when the Iris clamps down is noticably darker on the RS3000.
When can we expect a review of your RS3000 Dylan ? ;)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on December 05, 2019, 01:52:24 PM
I've only had the NX9 for a couple weeks now. With that said, I'm hoping it will be finished before the end of this month. But I have no control over when it actually gets published. I'm guessing late January or February. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on December 10, 2019, 08:33:27 AM
Some B-stock are coming in.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on December 28, 2019, 06:42:27 PM
Just had some family over to watch Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood. I really liked the film, definitely up there with some of Tarantino's best. I was a little worried after reading online that people thought it was mastered too dark overall in appearance. But through the NX9 I never felt that at all. The more I watch this projector the more I fall in love with it. My NX9 review should be published in a few weeks, with lots of great things to say.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on December 28, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
Just had some family over to watch Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood. I really liked the film, definitely up there with some of Tarantino's best. I was a little worried after reading online that people thought it was mastered too dark overall in appearance. But through the NX9 I never felt that at all. The more I watch this projector the more I fall in love with it. My NX9 review should be published in a few weeks, with lots of great things to say.
I really love my RS3000/DCR/Lumagen combination. Best picture I have ever had in my room.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on December 28, 2019, 09:47:08 PM
Just had some family over to watch Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood. I really liked the film, definitely up there with some of Tarantino's best. I was a little worried after reading online that people thought it was mastered too dark overall in appearance. But through the NX9 I never felt that at all. The more I watch this projector the more I fall in love with it. My NX9 review should be published in a few weeks, with lots of great things to say.
Watched that film as well. DTM on auto never had an issue with any scene. Great film btw 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Zsolt on December 29, 2019, 12:58:03 AM
I am ready to pull a trigger for the RS3000 with DCR lens setup. Right now I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3  2.35  curved 128 diagonal screen. What Do You think about this setup. Should I invest in new flat screen, I am little bit concerned about the size as well, should I go smaller screen size? My theatre is absolutely light controlled, dark walls as well.
Thanks for the advice
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DLCPhoto on December 29, 2019, 05:25:07 AM
I am ready to pull a trigger for the RS3000 with DCR lens setup. Right now I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3  2.35  curved 128 diagonal screen. What Do You think about this setup. Should I invest in new flat screen, I am little bit concerned about the size as well, should I go smaller screen size? My theatre is absolutely light controlled, dark walls as well.
Thanks for the advice
Regarding the screen type, this is from the Panamorph website:


As for size, that's partly personal preference and dependent on room dimensions.  I have the NX7 and DCR, in a decent room, but definitely not a bat cave, and have a 160" diagonal 2.35:1 SI Solar White screen (nominal gain 1.3).  I have no complaints at all about the brightness, nor about the visual pop and impact of HDR.  The immersion is awesome, and personally, I would not go to a smaller screen.

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on December 29, 2019, 06:34:32 AM
Watched that film as well. DTM on auto never had an issue with any scene. Great film btw
I noticed that even though there were several aspect ratio changes, Tarantino kept them constant image height friendly. So even though I had the image zoomed on my scope screen, when it went to 4/3 or 2.0, the image height remained the same.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on December 29, 2019, 06:47:05 AM
I am ready to pull a trigger for the RS3000 with DCR lens setup. Right now I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3  2.35  curved 128 diagonal screen. What Do You think about this setup. Should I invest in new flat screen, I am little bit concerned about the size as well, should I go smaller screen size? My theatre is absolutely light controlled, dark walls as well.
Thanks for the advice
You will have plenty of brightness with either screen, but you will get barrel distortion with the curved screen. A flat screen is the correct choice with a DCR lens. I do not remember if you gave me the throw distance last week in your email?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Zsolt on December 29, 2019, 07:51:25 AM
The projector would be mounted 19 feet from the screen
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on December 29, 2019, 07:57:15 AM
I really love my RS3000/DCR/Lumagen combination. Best picture I have ever had in my room.
Yeah, I agree. It's the best image quality I've personally seen from a projector. And dare I say, the best image for movie content a consumer can currently get for less than $100,000. In my opinion, there's really only two projectors that a consumer can purchase that will offer a better image starting at that $100K mark with the Sim2 HDR Duo Plus and then the Christie Eclipse. I talk a bit about this in my review. There are other projectors more expensive than the NX9/RS3000, but they trade contrast, color, or resolution for higher brightness to drive larger screen sizes.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on December 29, 2019, 08:39:38 AM
I am ready to pull a trigger for the RS3000 with DCR lens setup. Right now I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3  2.35  curved 128 diagonal screen. What Do You think about this setup. Should I invest in new flat screen, I am little bit concerned about the size as well, should I go smaller screen size? My theatre is absolutely light controlled, dark walls as well.
Thanks for the advice
I have a 128" scope StudioTek 130 and a DCR lens ( and an RS4500 ). It's the perfect size and perfect screen in my opinion, for excellent HDR .
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Zsolt on December 29, 2019, 09:02:19 AM
So now is the question to upgrade to flat screen instead of curved?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on December 29, 2019, 09:38:53 AM
So now is the question to upgrade to flat screen instead of curved?
If using a DCR lens, yes. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on December 29, 2019, 02:20:24 PM
The projector would be mounted 19 feet from the screen
Plenty of throw for the DCR lens. Your throw range would be 1.9 and 1.4 is the minimum, so no problems to use DCR with your setup.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on January 09, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
Yeah, I agree. It's the best image quality I've personally seen from a projector. And dare I say, the best image for movie content a consumer can currently get for less than $100,000. In my opinion, there's really only two projectors that a consumer can purchase that will offer a better image starting at that $100K mark with the Sim2 HDR Duo Plus and then the Christie Eclipse. I talk a bit about this in my review. There are other projectors more expensive than the NX9/RS3000, but they trade contrast, color, or resolution for higher brightness to drive larger screen sizes.
When is your review out ? 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on January 09, 2020, 01:09:01 PM
When is your review out ?
I'm pretty sure it will be published on the 21st this month. I'll post a link here when it comes out.

Not to give too much away, but I say the RS3000/NX9 is the best image a consumer can get right now for less than $100,000. Sure, there are projectors that cost more than the NX9, but I feel most of them sacrifice contrast and/or color performance in order to give you more lumens to driver larger screens. Pair this projector with an appropriately sized screen and you will own the best image for movies under $100,000.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: woofer on January 10, 2020, 12:20:09 AM


 I say the RS3000/NX9 is the best image a consumer can get right now for less than $100,000.  Pair this projector with an appropriately sized screen and you will own the best image for movies under $100,000.
Respect your opinion,  but after putting 3 NX9,s up against other PJ,s i do disagree with you here.....
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on January 10, 2020, 04:04:02 AM
Respect your opinion,  but after putting 3 NX9,s up against other PJ,s i do disagree with you here.....
Which projector? The RS4500?

Yes, this is of course my opinion. My review sample measured in very close to the last gen eshift models in terms of contrast (37,016:1 iris open native and 462,700:1 dynamic). This played a huge role in me forming that opinion. Plus the unit only lost 5% of it's light output to get P3 color. Light output was ~1800 max P3 lumens. Looking at the RS4500, to get full P3 color saturation, you're looking at around only 1500 max lumens. Plus I feel 8K eshift does offer a subjective increase in image quality and no other projector has this feature. Then there's the DTM software. The RS4500 is beat in native contrast, seems to be matched in dynamic contrast, beat in P3 color light output, and lacks 8K and DTM at the moment compared to the NX9. I'm not picking on the RS4500. Its to be expected for a manufacturer to improve performance several years after a flagship model has been released. There are still a few aspects to the RS4500 potential buyers may want (more filter-less light output and the stability of a laser light source), but again, I think these come with a trade-off for contrast performance and color saturation and a few other missing features beneficial to image quality.

So I don't know what other projector would offer a better overall experience for movie viewing. None of the Sony models I've seen come anywhere close. I know you've said you liked the BenQ LK990, or was it the LK970?  My experience with the LK990 was pretty bad overall. Yes, it had a sharp image and was bright as long as you didn't care about image accuracy, but its contrast performance was god awful to the point where I don't think these other strengths made up for this deficiency.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on January 10, 2020, 08:28:30 AM
Which projector? The RS4500?

Yes, this is of course my opinion. My review sample measured in very close to the last gen eshift models in terms of contrast (37,016:1 iris open native and 462,700:1 dynamic). This played a huge role in me forming that opinion. Plus the unit only lost 5% of it's light output to get P3 color. Light output was ~1800 max P3 lumens. Looking at the RS4500, to get full P3 color saturation, you're looking at around only 1500 max lumens. Plus I feel 8K eshift does offer a subjective increase in image quality and no other projector has this feature. Then there's the DTM software. The RS4500 is beat in native contrast, seems to be matched in dynamic contrast, beat in P3 color light output, and lacks 8K and DTM at the moment compared to the NX9. I'm not picking on the RS4500. Its to be expected for a manufacturer to improve performance several years after a flagship model has been released. There are still a few aspects to the RS4500 potential buyers may want (more filter-less light output and the stability of a laser light source), but again, I think these come with a trade-off for contrast performance and color saturation and a few other missing features beneficial to image quality.

So I don't know what other projector would offer a better overall experience for movie viewing. None of the Sony models I've seen come anywhere close. I know you've said you liked the BenQ LK990, or was it the LK970?  My experience with the LK990 was pretty bad overall. Yes, it had a sharp image and was bright as long as you didn't care about image accuracy, but its contrast performance was god awful to the point where I don't think these other strengths made up for this deficiency.

If you stick to your " best picture under $100K " criteria, an RS4500 with a Lumagen and DCR lens or MadVR ( via a HTPC or upcoming Envy ) and DCR lens is going to throw one hell of a picture, all for a hair under $32K. And last trouble free for years. Maybe decades ! Still well under that $100K mark. 8) Which is " better " depends on a lot of different factors. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on January 10, 2020, 09:01:53 AM
Craig, I'm talking projector performance on its own. As a reviewer, I can't just assume everyone will be adding this additional hardware. Plus, if you add the same things to the RS3000 we're right back to where we started, with the RS3000 still having most of the same advantages.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on January 10, 2020, 09:53:30 AM
I'm will to give up a bit of contrast to never deal with lamps or lamp strikes - that's for sure. But you can't beat the RS3000 for the price ! Now where is that review ! ;)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on January 10, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
I'm will to give up a bit of contrast to never deal with lamps or lamp strikes - that's for sure. But you can't beat the RS3000 for the price ! Now where is that review ! ;)
I agree. The laser will be a feature some will pay more for. But I'm talking best image quality for movies. The laser/phosphor light source doesn't really play into that. The RS3000 will have a substantial contrast lead with real world video content and a bump in image brightness for full P3 color saturation and 8K eshift does make a noticeable improvement. DTM is also huge for those who don't have a lumagen or madVR.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on January 10, 2020, 11:00:05 AM
I haven't compared them directly, but Woofer has. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on January 10, 2020, 11:18:19 AM
There are a lot of issues with comparing these projectors. The biggest I see is the RS3000's DTM will make such a huge difference in overall image quality for HDR it won't be a fair comparison. The RS4500 does not yet (and may not ever) have DTM. Again, as a reviewer, I can't just assume all people own a Lumagen. So when we look at what these projector's can do on their own, I can't see the RS4500 pulling ahead. Yes, if we add in something to DTM HDR for the RS4500 that gap will narrow considerably.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on January 29, 2020, 05:03:12 AM
My JVC DLA-NX9/RS3000 review has been published:

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dla-nx9-8k-d-ila-projector-reviewed/
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on January 29, 2020, 08:13:37 AM
Excellent ! Thanks Dylan !
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on January 29, 2020, 09:54:26 AM
My JVC DLA-NX9/RS3000 review has been published:

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dla-nx9-8k-d-ila-projector-reviewed/
Nice review. I think the RS3000/NX9 is one fantastic projector for the money. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on February 17, 2020, 02:44:50 AM
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully. 
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on February 17, 2020, 05:55:06 AM
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully.
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all.
Same here. I just  put in a movie and watch it. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on February 17, 2020, 07:34:57 AM
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully.
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all.
Yeah, icing on the cake would have been a laser light source, but, like I said in the review, I think that would have all but killed sales for the RS4500. Unless you watch your projector like a TV, ie many hours per day, bulbs are still okay. Until they go to direct RGB laser, I can't see much benefit in terms of image quality that a laser/phosphor light source brings other than perhaps some new dynamic contrast capabilities that the current lens iris lacks (full fade to black and slightly faster reaction time). But the physical iris JVC uses on the bulb units is mighty impressive in how smooth and transparent it works. I'm very sensitive to dynamic irises and even still I may only notice it working once or twice throughout an entire movie, sometimes not at all. My guests don't notice at all, or at least none of them have said anything. Overall, the DI implementation is one of the best you get at the moment in any display. @ArrowAV says the DI in the $100K Sim2 Duo Plus is even more transparent in operation, but I haven't seen it personally.

I've had this NX9 for about 3 months now and I still have less than 100 hours on it. I've watched 2-3 movies a week on it. At this rate, especially with the extra bulb I have, I won't need to purchase a new bulb before I end up selling it in a few years.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on February 17, 2020, 05:50:33 PM
Yeah, icing on the cake would have been a laser light source, but, like I said in the review, I think that would have all but killed sales for the RS4500. Unless you watch your projector like a TV, ie many hours per day, bulbs are still okay. Until they go to direct RGB laser, I can't see much benefit in terms of image quality that a laser/phosphor light source brings other than perhaps some new dynamic contrast capabilities that the current lens iris lacks (full fade to black and slightly faster reaction time). But the physical iris JVC uses on the bulb units is mighty impressive in how smooth and transparent it works. I'm very sensitive to dynamic irises and even still I may only notice it working once or twice throughout an entire movie, sometimes not at all. My guests don't notice at all, or at least none of them have said anything. Overall, the DI implementation is one of the best you get at the moment in any display. @ArrowAV says the DI in the $100K Sim2 Duo Plus is even more transparent in operation, but I haven't seen it personally.

I've had this NX9 for about 3 months now and I still have less than 100 hours on it. I've watched 2-3 movies a week on it. At this rate, especially with the extra bulb I have, I won't need to purchase a new bulb before I end up selling it in a few years.
I agree Dylan the  DI on the JVC works well. I don’t watch TV on my JVC just a movie a night at times ( I have a large selection of 4k UHD Discs ).

 I’m the same I have an extra bulb it will be awhile before I use it, though I’m contemplating on keeping this projector for a long while.
 
I know it’s only 8K e-Shift ( I’m aware their is no 8k input ) but once 8k material comes out I will just manually select it on and wah lah we have 8K. :) 


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: woofer on February 17, 2020, 11:34:42 PM

 
I know it’s only 8K e-Shift ( I’m aware their is no 8k input ) but once 8k material comes out I will just manually select it on and wah lah we have 8K. :)


I am afraid is doesnt/wont  work like that...:(  
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on February 18, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
Yep. The RS3000 does not take an 8K input.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on March 13, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
NX9 B-stocks just arrived.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 13, 2020, 11:58:28 AM
NX9 B-stocks just arrived.
I've got $82 in my wallet right now...Deal or No Deal? :D
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: golden04 on March 13, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
how about a trade... I have a case of toilet paper and a 3 pack of lysol wipes
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 13, 2020, 02:01:28 PM
how about a trade... I have a case of toilet paper and a 3 pack of lysol wipes
I'll see you and raise a pump bottle of Purell! 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 15, 2020, 08:18:12 AM
Hi all
Tonight I started to watch a Blu ray on my panny ub 420 and when pressing skip on the trailers I noticed the dreaded green vertical bars. Now I’m on the latest firmware I was under the impression it was fixed. I have a marantz av8805 and only have 190 hours on projector. I did turn off system and then turned back on again and it was gone. Just finished watching the Blu ray( not 4k just a standard Blu ray ) 
Now atm it’s not worth taking it too service because if they can’t replicate the issue they will not do anything. I’m hoping someone has any ideas as to why it’s happened. Is it due to having a marantz ? Panasonic or are they still trying to find a fix ? 

Cheers 

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 15, 2020, 09:56:49 AM
Hi all
Tonight I started to watch a Blu ray on my panny ub 420 and when pressing skip on the trailers I noticed the dreaded green vertical bars. Now I’m on the latest firmware I was under the impression it was fixed. I have a marantz av8805 and only have 190 hours on projector. I did turn off system and then turned back on again and it was gone. Just finished watching the Blu ray( not 4k just a standard Blu ray )
Now atm it’s not worth taking it too service because if they can’t replicate the issue they will not do anything. I’m hoping someone has any ideas as to why it’s happened. Is it due to having a marantz ? Panasonic or are they still trying to find a fix ?

Cheers
Frank,

Most likely it was just a HDMI hiccup. I don't get green bars on my unit (thankfully), but sometimes the HDMI sync loses contact with my Tivo Edge when fast forwarding and it takes about 2 seconds to gain a lock again while the screen goes black. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 15, 2020, 10:32:39 AM
Frank,

Most likely it was just a HDMI hiccup. I don't get green bars on my unit (thankfully), but sometimes the HDMI sync loses contact with my Tivo Edge when fast forwarding and it takes about 2 seconds to gain a lock again while the screen goes black.


Hi Dave 
Thats what I thought as well. I will have to keep an eye on it but when turning off and on it seemed to work. Next time will try turning off a few other things first , even change the input  on the marantz to see what happens.

Thanks Mate 

take care btw with this corona virus tried to go shopping with wife for groceries people are panicking. Never seen anything like it. 


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on March 15, 2020, 10:53:08 AM
I have seen green lines when fast forwarding on my RS3000.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on March 15, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
Hi Dave
Thats what I thought as well. I will have to keep an eye on it but when turning off and on it seemed to work. Next time will try turning off a few other things first , even change the input  on the marantz to see what happens.

Thanks Mate

take care btw with this corona virus tried to go shopping with wife for groceries people are panicking. Never seen anything like it.

Maybe try changing the projector HDMI inputs and then back again.
I'm about to go to the grocery store - we will see how it is. My wife is going to brave Costco ! :-X
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on March 15, 2020, 12:02:14 PM
Hi Dave
Thats what I thought as well. I will have to keep an eye on it but when turning off and on it seemed to work. Next time will try turning off a few other things first , even change the input  on the marantz to see what happens.

Thanks Mate

take care btw with this corona virus tried to go shopping with wife for groceries people are panicking. Never seen anything like it.
We are stocked up on food but aren't panicking. Hell, we have 13 packs of toilet paper (6 rolls per pack), so I figure we're safe for at least 8 months :)

On a more serious note, I personally believe the virus has been in the US since early January, if not December. I have two coworkers who both were sick in mid January with the exact symptoms of the virus and missed over a week of work each...both recovered. The doctors didn't know what to test for and told them it was pneumonia.
 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 15, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
I have seen green lines when fast forwarding on my RS3000.
Did the green lines then stay on Mike ? All I pressed skip for the trailers and then I had green lines. When I turned system off and on ( that’s everything ) no green lines but this time I didn’t skip trailers and everything seemed fine. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 15, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
Maybe try changing the projector HDMI inputs and then back again.
I'm about to go to the grocery store - we will see how it is. My wife is going to brave Costco ! :-X
Will do thanks Craig. 

Good luck with the shopping. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 15, 2020, 03:09:58 PM
We are stocked up on food but aren't panicking. Hell, we have 13 packs of toilet paper (6 rolls per pack), so I figure we're safe for at least 8 months :)

On a more serious note, I personally believe the virus has been in the US since early January, if not December. I have two coworkers who both were sick in mid January with the exact symptoms of the virus and missed over a week of work each...both recovered. The doctors didn't know what to test for and told them it was pneumonia.
 
That pneumonia scares me. I don’t smoke but I heard it’s nasty. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on March 15, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
Did the green lines then stay on Mike ? All I pressed skip for the trailers and then I had green lines. When I turned system off and on ( that’s everything ) no green lines but this time I didn’t skip trailers and everything seemed fine.
No, just saw the lines while fast forwarding.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 15, 2020, 07:34:13 PM
I got some first hand experience with the green line issue at CEDIA in the fall. The MartinLogan booth showing off their new in-wall surround system was using an RS3000 for video. About 6 hours into the first day, their unit got the problem. I wonder if they walked across the show floor and asked the JVC reps to explain what was happening. ;D
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 15, 2020, 11:22:02 PM
I got some first hand experience with the green line issue at CEDIA in the fall. The MartinLogan booth showing off their new in-wall surround system was using an RS3000 for video. About 6 hours into the first day, their unit got the problem. I wonder if they walked across the show floor and asked the JVC reps to explain what was happening. ;D
I spoke to JVC AUSTRALIA and they told me that JVC records up too 50hrs so if their is an issue the technicians are able to find out. Not sure wether that is true or not. I was also told it could be Hdmi or source. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 16, 2020, 02:46:13 AM
I got some first hand experience with the green line issue at CEDIA in the fall. The MartinLogan booth showing off their new in-wall surround system was using an RS3000 for video. About 6 hours into the first day, their unit got the problem. I wonder if they walked across the show floor and asked the JVC reps to explain what was happening. ;D
Would love to know what they said the them and their response :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 16, 2020, 08:45:23 AM
I spoke to JVC AUSTRALIA and they told me that JVC records up too 50hrs so if their is an issue the technicians are able to find out. Not sure wether that is true or not. I was also told it could be Hdmi or source.
I'm assuming you mean some sort of "black box" type of log that records everything for the past 50 hours? If I had to guess, I doubt the projector is aware of an issue though. I say that because you'd think the projector would shut down and give you some sort of blinking light indication that there is a display issue.

I remember having a similar issue with an X500. I had vertical lines, but I forget what color they were. When I sent it in to Mendtronix under warranty, they replaced one of the boards to fix the problem. It wasn't an issue with the DiLA chips or light engine.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 16, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
I'm assuming you mean some sort of "black box" type of log that records everything for the past 50 hours? If I had to guess, I doubt the projector is aware of an issue though. I say that because you'd think the projector would shut down and give you some sort of blinking light indication that there is a display issue.

I remember having a similar issue with an X500. I had vertical lines, but I forget what color they were. When I sent it in to Mendtronix under warranty, they replaced one of the boards to fix the problem. It wasn't an issue with the DiLA chips or light engine.
Thought that was good to be true. He mentioned that when I told him I wouldn’t be able recreate the experience again as it’s intermittent. 

I know they had blue vertical lines in the past as well as green I was more curious to know what was the cause. But I cannot seem to find it.

Thanks anyway 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 16, 2020, 09:39:21 AM
I wasn't sure exactly where to post this, so I guess here is appropriate as I've had the chance to compare directly against my NX9.

Guys, be on the lookout for some pretty amazing deals on eBay for 1080p 3-chip DLP projectors and some of the higher-end single chip DLPs, like the LED-based Runco Q750. I bought a Runco VX-11D ($30,000 MSRP at launch) for $150. Shipping was nearly the same amount of money, but still, for a measly $300 total, this was a great purchase. I even bought a new OEM lamp from ebay for $30, bringing this projector back to full brightness.

(https://i.imgur.com/xVLCrr6.jpg)

It's been a number of years since I've had a 1080p 3-chip DLP in my possession. Probably 4 years ago with the Sim2 Lumis C3X. That was an amazing projector, probably the best consumer 1080p DLP, but this VX-11D isn't too far behind. It has a tack sharp motorized lens. This is using three of the .65" DMDs. Despite that, I'm measuring 2800:1 native contrast at the telephoto end of the lens. The DI is very well implemented. I would even say Runco has tweaked the performance of their DI algorithm over older models, who were already excellent in this regard, as I never see it move. As it has to be a bit more aggressive than the JVCs due to the lower native contrast, there is a bit white clipping visible on some particularly dark scenes. It's not too obnoxious thankfully. The contrast multiplier is 5x, so dynamic contrast is a little over 14,000:1. Calibrated brightness is 1400 lumens at maximum zoom in high lamp mode, but I'm using it at minimum zoom to maximize contrast performance, so that drops it down to roughly 1000 lumens, which is still plenty bright on my 10' wide scope screen.

Out of the box performance is great, and essentially as reference as reference gets from a consumer display after calibration, with the exception being some under saturation of green and cyan at 100%.I need to do some investigating as to why. There's a couple of other color modes that I haven't checked out yet and may fix that issue.

Click to enlarge:
(https://i.imgur.com/gqqA17g.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/VLbYesv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/A3iy5pa.png)

Image quality is very, very good. Like with most high end DLPs, there is a tremendous amount of depth to the image with brighter APL content. Motion is as good as it gets in the digital projection world. No rainbows and an immensely calm and natural appearing image thanks to the 3-chip DLP engine. It really gives the NX9 competition with certain content. The best way for me to describe how the image looks compared to the NX9 is that the VX-11D is like I'm watching the digital master of a movie and the NX9 is like I'm watching an original film negative. There is a great sense of digital exactness to the VX-11D, but, as I said in my NX9 review, the JVC is like watching the best analog film you've ever seen. The cray high pixel fill and greater pixel density of the JVC gives the image a distinct smooth and analog aesthetic to the image. While I can't see a pixel grid on the VX-11D, I do get more of a sense that I'm watching a digital image for whatever reason. I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. Both images look amazing, each better in a number of ways.

My personal take is that the NX9 is still better overall, by a good margin, but I can't fault someone for still wanting to use a 3-chip DLP as there is an aesthetic quality to the image I can understand a preference for. I'm sure some people are okay with the relative image quality deficiencies LCoS projectors fix to get that aesthetic quality. I'm just glad I didn't have to spend a fortune on this Runco model and is something I plan on keeping for the long haul so I always have a frame of reference to what a good DLP can look like when I have other projectors here to review.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on March 16, 2020, 11:18:34 AM
Wow Dylan - great score for $300.00 ! 8)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 16, 2020, 03:37:05 PM
I couldn't pass up the deal. The seller had listed it "for parts or not working" because the projector didn't come with the outboard video processor, so he didn't know how to power it on and check to see if it was working. Luckily, the projector can be controlled via RS-232, or, there's actually a port to connect an IR receiver inside the projector that I took advantage of. I bought a cheap $8 IR receiver and have that on top of the projector so I can control it via Runco remote instead. The VX-11D is essentially a Runco LS-10i in a much nicer chassis. The EDID even lists the projector as an LS-10i haha.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: rob-houston on March 17, 2020, 05:23:23 AM
...

Guys, be on the lookout for some pretty amazing deals on eBay for 1080p 3-chip DLP projectors and some of the higher-end single chip DLPs, like the LED-based Runco Q750. I bought a Runco VX-11D ($30,000 MSRP at launch) for $150. Shipping was nearly the same amount of money, but still, for a measly $300 total, this was a great purchase. I even bought a new OEM lamp from ebay for $30, bringing this projector back to full brightness.

...


AH! Your backup projector!:) ;)

Back to the good old days on the other forum, where you bought used projectors tested them and provided interesting reports?  8)

You'll need your on personal thread for that! 8)

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 17, 2020, 06:47:47 AM
Rob, Sony is sending me a VPL-VW995ES to review. So I can provide some interesting info on that when it arrives either today or tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on March 17, 2020, 08:26:25 AM
Rob, Sony is sending me a VPL-VW995ES to review. So I can provide some interesting info on that when it arrives either today or tomorrow. :)

Hopefully it won't have banding like the VW695 we saw in Denver. :-X
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 17, 2020, 02:18:42 PM
Hopefully it won't have banding like the VW695 we saw in Denver. :-X
I never got the opportunity to visit the Sony booth. Or was the 695ES setup elsewhere?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on March 17, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
I never got the opportunity to visit the Sony booth. Or was the 695ES setup elsewhere?
Denver a week ago. https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0 (https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 17, 2020, 03:15:27 PM
Denver a week ago. https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0 (https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0)
DOH! I thought you were talking about CEDIA. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DLCPhoto on March 17, 2020, 07:06:36 PM
Rob, Sony is sending me a VPL-VW995ES to review. So I can provide some interesting info on that when it arrives either today or tomorrow. :)
I'll be *real* interested in hearing your thoughts, observations and impressions on it vs your JVC RS3000.  I'd also welcome any comments on the Sony vs the RS2000 (I think you no longer have it around, but at least based on your memory, and whatever testing/photos you did).
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on March 17, 2020, 07:24:33 PM
I had the 995es, unfortunately it had issues with the optical block. The DFO caused more issues than what it was good for. The Pq was sensational especially the bright light scenes. The dark scenes I battled the dreaded macroblocking. I had to change it too 10 bit  but too eliminate banding.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 18, 2020, 08:27:55 AM
FedEx is having delivery issues. It was supposed to be delivered yesterday, but it's still a state away the last time I checked. Maybe tomorrow it'll be delivered. This virus and people panic buying goods isn't helping...
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on March 18, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
DOH! I thought you were talking about CEDIA.
It was really interesting going back and forth between the RS1000 and the VW655, but now I see why they didn't use an RS2000 - that would have been an unfair fight.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 19, 2020, 04:21:32 AM
It was really interesting going back and forth between the RS1000 and the VW655, but now I see why they didn't use an RS2000 - that would have been an unfair fight.
Yeah, we'll have to see how the 995ES fares. For the price, I'm expecting something closer in performance to my nearly half-the-cost NX9/RS3000. The 995ES should be here today. Just in time for a nice long weekend of "shelter in place" movie viewing in the theater.

With everything closed and nothing to do but stay inside during this crisis, who else is glad they own a theater in their house?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on March 19, 2020, 06:16:31 AM
Definitely glad I have an HT. Wife, daughter and future son in law watched Knives out last night (I had already seen it). We have been using the theater pretty much every night. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on March 19, 2020, 07:34:08 AM
Yeah, we'll have to see how the 995ES fares. For the price, I'm expecting something closer in performance to my nearly half-the-cost NX9/RS3000. The 995ES should be here today. Just in time for a nice long weekend of "shelter in place" movie viewing in the theater.

With everything closed and nothing to do but stay inside during this crisis, who else is glad they own a theater in their house?
Since my wife can't go to conferences or meetings, I might get her caught up on new ( and not so new ) movies. I have 23 films she hasn't seen just for starters ! So yes - glad I have a theater ! 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 29, 2020, 07:25:47 PM
Decided to rewatch Mad Max Fury Road tonight. What a completely different experience through the NX9 + madVR dynamic tonemapping with the UHD Blu-ray. On top of that, this was the first time watching this with my new subs. Holy cow did this movie have bass. It was almost nonstop from start to finish.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 05, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
Having some fun swapping between these projectors today to do some comparisons for my 995ES review.

This picture had to be taken for sheer awesomeness. Sony VPL-VW995ES on top, JVC DLA-NX9 in the middle, and Runco VX-11D on the bottom:

(https://i.imgur.com/9syXulo.jpg)

The Sony is mighty impressive. But I have to keep in mind the huge price difference between it and the NX9. I'd say the 995ES has a very slight edge in lens quality. Or it's just unit to unit variance. It seems to have just a slight edge focusing down on pixels more. But we're splitting hairs here. Both have a great lens. I have basically every processing feature turned off. Reality Creation, digital focus optimizer, ect. It is NOT needed with this projector. The amazing lens gives you all the sharpness you could ever ask for, without the negative side effects these digital sharpeners have on the image.

To be able to use the dual iris/contrast system, you're forced to use "Full" mode, which turns off the laser for an all black screen. I just don't think the next level up past black is dark enough to do the fade to black convincingly. It's plainly obvious sometimes that there is a dynamic contrast system in use, which can't be said with the JVC in most cases. I do think JVC has surpassed Sony when it comes to dynamic contrast systems, at least for the present. I just see less signs of a dynamic contrast system when watching the NX9.

Above black, with mixed APL content, the 995ES looks marvelous. Tons of pop. Better than my NX9. A bit more of that "looking through a window" quality. Banding/posterization isn't as bad as it used to be. As good as the 695ES I reviewed last year. I still don't think it should be an issue, especially for a $35,000 projector, but at least it isn't as bad as it used to be.

The NX9 does 24p cadence better. There's more noticeable 24p judder on the Sony, so pans are smoother on the NX9. 

More to come in my review.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on April 05, 2020, 01:20:00 PM
Now that looks like fun Dylan ! 8)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 06, 2020, 07:50:59 AM
Having some fun swapping between these projectors today to do some comparisons for my 995ES review.

This picture had to be taken for sheer awesomeness. Sony VPL-VW995ES on top, JVC DLA-NX9 in the middle, and Runco VX-11D on the bottom:

(https://i.imgur.com/9syXulo.jpg)

The Sony is mighty impressive. But I have to keep in mind the huge price difference between it and the NX9. I'd say the 995ES has a very slight edge in lens quality. Or it's just unit to unit variance. It seems to have just a slight edge focusing down on pixels more. But we're splitting hairs here. Both have a great lens. I have basically every processing feature turned off. Reality Creation, digital focus optimizer, ect. It is NOT needed with this projector. The amazing lens gives you all the sharpness you could ever ask for, without the negative side effects these digital sharpeners have on the image.

To be able to use the dual iris/contrast system, you're forced to use "Full" mode, which turns off the laser for an all black screen. I just don't think the next level up past black is dark enough to do the fade to black convincingly. It's plainly obvious sometimes that there is a dynamic contrast system in use, which can't be said with the JVC in most cases. I do think JVC has surpassed Sony when it comes to dynamic contrast systems, at least for the present. I just see less signs of a dynamic contrast system when watching the NX9.

Above black, with mixed APL content, the 995ES looks marvelous. Tons of pop. Better than my NX9. A bit more of that "looking through a window" quality. Banding/posterization isn't as bad as it used to be. As good as the 695ES I reviewed last year. I still don't think it should be an issue, especially for a $35,000 projector, but at least it isn't as bad as it used to be.

The NX9 does 24p cadence better. There's more noticeable 24p judder on the Sony, so pans are smoother on the NX9. 

More to come in my review.
It could also be the light path. The 4500 and the RS3000 use the same lens and yet the 4500 with test patterns looks tiny bit better on average. JVC said the light path in the 4500 is slightly more optimized than the light path in the 3000. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 06, 2020, 08:51:40 AM
Having some fun swapping between these projectors today to do some comparisons for my 995ES review.

This picture had to be taken for sheer awesomeness. Sony VPL-VW995ES on top, JVC DLA-NX9 in the middle, and Runco VX-11D on the bottom:

(https://i.imgur.com/9syXulo.jpg)

The Sony is mighty impressive. But I have to keep in mind the huge price difference between it and the NX9. I'd say the 995ES has a very slight edge in lens quality. Or it's just unit to unit variance. It seems to have just a slight edge focusing down on pixels more. But we're splitting hairs here. Both have a great lens. I have basically every processing feature turned off. Reality Creation, digital focus optimizer, ect. It is NOT needed with this projector. The amazing lens gives you all the sharpness you could ever ask for, without the negative side effects these digital sharpeners have on the image.

To be able to use the dual iris/contrast system, you're forced to use "Full" mode, which turns off the laser for an all black screen. I just don't think the next level up past black is dark enough to do the fade to black convincingly. It's plainly obvious sometimes that there is a dynamic contrast system in use, which can't be said with the JVC in most cases. I do think JVC has surpassed Sony when it comes to dynamic contrast systems, at least for the present. I just see less signs of a dynamic contrast system when watching the NX9.

Above black, with mixed APL content, the 995ES looks marvelous. Tons of pop. Better than my NX9. A bit more of that "looking through a window" quality. Banding/posterization isn't as bad as it used to be. As good as the 695ES I reviewed last year. I still don't think it should be an issue, especially for a $35,000 projector, but at least it isn't as bad as it used to be.

The NX9 does 24p cadence better. There's more noticeable 24p judder on the Sony, so pans are smoother on the NX9. 

More to come in my review.
Looks like you got a winner their :) I agree with the tons of pop ( beauty of laser ) but I found the dark scenes is where they failed. Well mine did I had macro blocking and spent a lot of time tweaking it, especially with the Panasonic UB9000. Like the JVC these units are like lottery tickets hope you get a winner :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 06, 2020, 01:23:51 PM
It could also be the light path. The 4500 and the RS3000 use the same lens and yet the 4500 with test patterns looks tiny bit better on average. JVC said the light path in the 4500 is slightly more optimized than the light path in the 3000.
Could be, though I'm up close to the screen pixel peeping. From a seated distance back, I don't think it's really possible to discern the difference in lens sharpness with video content. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 06, 2020, 06:56:12 PM
Could be, though I'm up close to the screen pixel peeping. From a seated distance back, I don't think it's really possible to discern the difference in lens sharpness with video content.
Exact same thing when looking at the RS4500 and the RS3000 and they have the same lens. Only difference is the light path. Only way to see any difference is pixel peeping test patterns.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 07, 2020, 05:20:56 AM
That makes sense. I'm sure the optical block inside the RS4500 is of higher quality. It gives the lens a better starting point.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 07, 2020, 05:28:00 AM
Looks like you got a winner their :) I agree with the tons of pop ( beauty of laser ) but I found the dark scenes is where they failed. Well mine did I had macro blocking and spent a lot of time tweaking it, especially with the Panasonic UB9000. Like the JVC these units are like lottery tickets hope you get a winner :)
Yeah the Sony has a few quirks that need to be fixed, especially with HDR content. I think the macroblocking is a known issue that Sony will hopefully fix with a firmware update. I think anyone buying a 995ES should also purchase a Lumagen Pro or madVR Envy. That's the only way to get the most out of the projector. Normally I'd say that was a ridiculous prerequisite, but the additional cost is much smaller in relative terms than if it were required with a cheaper projector. If you have the cash for a 995ES, you probably have the cash for one of these video processors too. Plus, if you're spending this kind of cash on a projector, even if it offered a similar JVC DTM mode, these outboard processors are still better.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 12, 2020, 06:05:46 AM
Yeah the Sony has a few quirks that need to be fixed, especially with HDR content. I think the macroblocking is a known issue that Sony will hopefully fix with a firmware update. I think anyone buying a 995ES should also purchase a Lumagen Pro or madVR Envy. That's the only way to get the most out of the projector. Normally I'd say that was a ridiculous prerequisite, but the additional cost is much smaller in relative terms than if it were required with a cheaper projector. If you have the cash for a 995ES, you probably have the cash for one of these video processors too. Plus, if you're spending this kind of cash on a projector, even if it offered a similar JVC DTM mode, these outboard processors are still better.
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy.  One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 12, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy.  One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 12, 2020, 10:47:28 AM
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
Wouldn’t have a clue where to start and what I need. Ive got close too 400 4K UHD discs I would use it as a stand alone Blu ray player. I’ll have to look into some time. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 12, 2020, 07:05:44 PM
The HTPC will not take care of your streaming needs.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 13, 2020, 02:38:17 AM
The HTPC will not take care of your streaming needs.
That depends on usage. Personally, I only watch Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray in the theater. If I were to stream JVC's DTM would more than suffice. Streaming only happens upstairs in my living room on the OLED.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 13, 2020, 08:10:24 AM
That depends on usage. Personally, I only watch Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray in the theater. If I were to stream JVC's DTM would more than suffice. Streaming only happens upstairs in my living room on the OLED.
I’m the same just 4K UHD Blu Rays in my theatre. Tv shows in the lounge room. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: DavidHir on April 13, 2020, 11:44:15 AM
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
For less than $500 and being able to use my 820 player (as I just watch discs), this is mightily tempting.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on April 14, 2020, 04:36:16 AM
I’m the same just 4K UHD Blu Rays in my theatre. Tv shows in the lounge room.
So you’re happy to watch The Irishman on the small screen, but prefer to watch Goodfellas on the big screen?

This distinction doesn’t make sense anymore, and will make less and less sense in the future, especially in the aftermath of Covid19. A lot of movies will go online directly, and some might never get a UHD Bluray release, or much later than usual, to give Netflix a long enough window. Many filmmakers and storytellers are given more creative freedom (for better or worse) with the online players, and will make their films there rather than with the studios.

There was a time when you could say there was crappy TV content on streaming and better movie content on disc, but it’s not true anymore.

I want to watch The Irishman, Marriage Story, Bird Box, Killing Eve, Uncut Gems, Big Little Lies, Stranger Things, Dark and many other exclusives on the big screen and with the best possible sound and picture quality. Taste apart, they are just as worthy of getting the big screen and big audio treatment as anything else you can get on UHD Bluray, even if unfortunately streaming quality for both audio and video isn’t there yet.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 14, 2020, 04:47:21 AM
So you’re happy to watch The Irishman on the small screen, but prefer to watch Goodfellas on the big screen?

This distinction doesn’t make sense anymore, and will make less and less sense in the future, especially in the aftermath of Covid19. A lot of movies will go online directly, and some might never get a UHD Bluray release, or much later than usual, to give Netflix a long enough window. Many filmmakers and storytellers are given more creative freedom (for better or worse) with the online players, and will make their films there rather than with the studios.

There was a time when you could say there was crappy TV content on streaming and better movie content on disc, but it’s not true anymore.

I want to watch The Irishman, Marriage Story, Bird Box, Killing Eve, Uncut Gems, Big Little Lies, Stranger Things, Dark and many other exclusives on the big screen and with the best possible sound and picture quality. Taste apart, they are just as worthy of getting the big screen and big audio treatment as anything else you can get on UHD Bluray, even if unfortunately streaming quality for both audio and video isn’t there yet.
I barley watch tv shows. Never seen Game of thrones etc. Ive got plenty of Blu ray and 4K UHD disks to keep me entertained. The ones I watch on tv is usually the ones I watch with my kids.

edit: Actually Manni not sure why with the hostile response. Ive never argued or commented on what people watch on their projector. 

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Manni on April 14, 2020, 06:30:03 AM
I barley watch tv shows. Never seen Game of thrones etc. Ive got plenty of Blu ray and 4K UHD disks to keep me entertained. The ones I watch on tv is usually the ones I watch with my kids.

edit: Actually Manni not sure why with the hostile response. Ive never argued or commented on what people watch on their projector.
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)

It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.

So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.

So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.

Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 14, 2020, 07:40:32 AM
Until the ban is lifted in CA, availability of the RS3000 is going to be very limited. Probably run out within the next week or two. JVC USA has projectors, but due to the ban caused by the Coronavirus , they can't get them into distribution. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 14, 2020, 08:03:40 AM
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)

It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.

So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.

So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.

Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)
All good Manni 

I have watched a movie here and there on Apple TV and maybe your right soon I might have no choice to watch all new movies streamed. With everyone at home Atm let’s hope my bandwidth is able to handle it. Our internet over here in Aus is not as good as what you guys get in the US. 


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on April 14, 2020, 08:54:13 AM
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)

It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.

So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.

So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.

Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)

Even being the disc watching Luddite / curmudgeon I am when it comes to streaming, there are ( and have been ) several shows that my wife and I love watching in the theater. Homeland for one. Picard being in scope aspect ratio was made to watch in our theater. Great surround sound on a lot of shows too. Tour de France and the Olympics are great on the big screen in the theater for sure. :)   
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 14, 2020, 05:30:13 PM
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy.  One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.
Of course, you could always try the Dolby Vision/LLDV hack by using an HDFury Vertex, Vertex2, Diva, Maestro, etc. to trick your sources (Sony X700, X800M2; Oppo 203, 205; AppleTV 4K, etc.) into sending their Dolby Vision Profile 5 Low Latency Dolby Vision (LLDV) signal to your display, which needs to be set to it's HDR/ST2084 curve mode to display properly.  The resultant image is incredible on HDR10 only displays, such as a projector.

Each of those sources can also convert HDR10 and SDR HD video to LLDV as well and the results, when setup correctly, are amazing!  The AppleTV 4K works great for this.  Other sources such as the Panasonic UB820/9000, nVidia Shield Pro, Pioneer LX500 can send LLDV when they play a native DV file, but can't convert HDR10 or SDR HD.

This is extremely inexpensive in comparison to buying a Lumagen Radiance Pro or Envy, for those that can't afford or aren't willing to spend that much.  It is well worth the small costs and relatively painless setup and tweaking to get an awesome image on that large screen!

I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:

https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/ (https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 15, 2020, 04:00:24 AM
Of course, you could always try the Dolby Vision/LLDV hack by using an HDFury Vertex, Vertex2, Diva, Maestro, etc. to trick your sources (Sony X700, X800M2; Oppo 203, 205; AppleTV 4K, etc.) into sending their Dolby Vision Profile 5 Low Latency Dolby Vision (LLDV) signal to your display, which needs to be set to it's HDR/ST2084 curve mode to display properly.  The resultant image is incredible on HDR10 only displays, such as a projector.

Each of those sources can also convert HDR10 and SDR HD video to LLDV as well and the results, when setup correctly, are amazing!  The AppleTV 4K works great for this.  Other sources such as the Panasonic UB820/9000, nVidia Shield Pro, Pioneer LX500 can send LLDV when they play a native DV file, but can't convert HDR10 or SDR HD.

This is extremely inexpensive in comparison to buying a Lumagen Radiance Pro or Envy, for those that can't afford or aren't willing to spend that much.  It is well worth the small costs and relatively painless setup and tweaking to get an awesome image on that large screen!

I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:

https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/ (https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1
Thanks for that I will have a read.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: jueliang on April 15, 2020, 07:51:53 AM
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
Hi Dylan, would you please share how to play discs on PC without ripping them first? I ripped hundreds of UHDs to my PC and got tired of it, so I went back to my UB820. Thanks!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 15, 2020, 09:04:32 AM
Hi Dylan, would you please share how to play discs on PC without ripping them first? I ripped hundreds of UHDs to my PC and got tired of it, so I went back to my UB820. Thanks!
There's about a half dozen UltraHD Blu-ray friendly disc drives out there. I use an LG BH16NS40. But you need to flash an older firmware onto the drive (newer firmwares prevent the discs from being read). It's easy to do. The firmware files are available online with a quick Google search. Then you use a program like AnyDVD HD to decrypt the disc. You can set the program to automatically decrypt a disc when a new disc is detected in the drive. Once decrypted, any application can now read from the disc. So I just tell Windows to open the disc with my media player when a new disc is detected in the drive, which subsequently starts playback of the movie. So, after ticking a few boxes within these apps and in Windows, playback is just like a standalone player, but with the added benefit of madVR. Just pop the disc in and enjoy.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: jueliang on April 16, 2020, 04:07:55 AM
There's about a half dozen UltraHD Blu-ray friendly disc drives out there. I use an LG BH16NS40. But you need to flash an older firmware onto the drive (newer firmwares prevent the discs from being read). It's easy to do. The firmware files are available online with a quick Google search. Then you use a program like AnyDVD HD to decrypt the disc. You can set the program to automatically decrypt a disc when a new disc is detected in the drive. Once decrypted, any application can now read from the disc. So I just tell Windows to open the disc with my media player when a new disc is detected in the drive, which subsequently starts playback of the movie. So, after ticking a few boxes within these apps and in Windows, playback is just like a standalone player, but with the added benefit of madVR. Just pop the disc in and enjoy.
Thanks a lot! I have the same disc drive (firmware flashed), I have been using it for ripping. I will definitely try it out to play discs.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 17, 2020, 04:08:26 AM
Of course, you could always try the Dolby Vision/LLDV hack by using an HDFury Vertex, Vertex2, Diva, Maestro, etc. to trick your sources (Sony X700, X800M2; Oppo 203, 205; AppleTV 4K, etc.) into sending their Dolby Vision Profile 5 Low Latency Dolby Vision (LLDV) signal to your display, which needs to be set to it's HDR/ST2084 curve mode to display properly.  The resultant image is incredible on HDR10 only displays, such as a projector.

Each of those sources can also convert HDR10 and SDR HD video to LLDV as well and the results, when setup correctly, are amazing!  The AppleTV 4K works great for this.  Other sources such as the Panasonic UB820/9000, nVidia Shield Pro, Pioneer LX500 can send LLDV when they play a native DV file, but can't convert HDR10 or SDR HD.

This is extremely inexpensive in comparison to buying a Lumagen Radiance Pro or Envy, for those that can't afford or aren't willing to spend that much.  It is well worth the small costs and relatively painless setup and tweaking to get an awesome image on that large screen!

I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:

https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/ (https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1
Ive had a read this sounds very promising. I might look into that. Thank you for that. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 18, 2020, 07:42:35 PM
Ive had a read this sounds very promising. I might look into that. Thank you for that. :)

Have you had a chance to give it a go yet, @Franin?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 18, 2020, 08:00:45 PM
Have you had a chance to give it a go yet, @Franin?
Not yet. I’m looking at purchasing the unit. Sounds very promising :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 18, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Not yet. I’m looking at purchasing the unit. Sounds very promising :)
OK cool.  If you mean you're purchasing an HDFury Vertex, then I have one available if you want to try it out first?  Just pay for shipping and I will send it over.  If you like it, then you can keep it and just pay me whatever is the going rate for those on average on maybe eBay.  If not just send it back. :)

You can get better results using the Vertex2, Diva or Maestro since you can do custom Dolby Vision Strings in their respective GUIs, but you may not need that if the stock Sony A1 OLED EDID works for you.  Some have reported some red push using that EDID, but there are easy ways now to alleviate that too.

I think there's also a way to have someone with a Vertex2, Diva or Maestro to create and copy their Custom DV Strings/EDID and send them over to someone with a Vertex which they can then just upload to a custom slot for use in the same manner.  I will have to check that out.  I could possibly load a custom one in for you from my Vertex2 before shipping.

The latest "discussions" ;) involve the use of a 10,000 nit Custom DV String, which many can't seem to wrap their heads around even though it provides an amazing result.  It seems it may be source and display/projector dependent, but we are in the process of figuring it all out now.  Hopefully we come to a conclusion soon.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 18, 2020, 08:41:56 PM
OK cool.  If you mean you're purchasing an HDFury Vertex, then I have one available if you want to try it out first?  Just pay for shipping and I will send it over.  If you like it, then you can keep it and just pay me whatever is the going rate for those on average on maybe eBay.  If not just send it back. :)

You can get better results using the Vertex2, Diva or Maestro since you can do custom Dolby Vision Strings in their respective GUIs, but you may not need that if the stock Sony A1 OLED EDID works for you.  Some have reported some red push using that EDID, but there are easy ways now to alleviate that too.

I think there's also a way to have someone with a Vertex2, Diva or Maestro to create and copy their Custom DV Strings/EDID and send them over to someone with a Vertex which they can then just upload to a custom slot for use in the same manner.  I will have to check that out.  I could possibly load a custom one in for you from my Vertex2 before shipping.

The latest "discussions" ;) involve the use of a 10,000 nit Custom DV String, which many can't seem to wrap their heads around even though it provides an amazing result.  It seems it may be source and display/projector dependent, but we are in the process of figuring it all out now.  Hopefully we come to a conclusion soon.

I will by using it with a NX9 will that cause any issues ? I will be curious to see how that goes up against its own DTM.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 18, 2020, 08:56:37 PM
I will by using it with a NX9 will that cause any issues ? I will be curious to see how that goes up against its own DTM.

In that case you're probably better off just using this LLDV mod for playing native Dolby Vision discs and streaming only and then keep using the NX9's DTM for regular HDR10 and SDR HD Blurays and HDTV.  I haven't had the pleasure of checking out JVC's latest projector FW that is providing DTM, so maybe once you get your Vertex you can compare that vs the conversion of those non-DV sources to LLDV and let us know?

I think your results for DV material will be awesome on an incredible projector like the NX9!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 18, 2020, 09:04:40 PM
In that case you're probably better off just using this LLDV mod for playing native Dolby Vision discs and streaming only and then keep using the NX9's DTM for regular HDR10 and SDR HD Blurays and HDTV.  I haven't had the pleasure of checking out JVC's latest projector FW that is providing DTM, so maybe once you get your Vertex you can compare that vs the conversion of those non-DV sources to LLDV and let us know?

I think your results for DV material will be awesome on an incredible projector like the NX9!
So the 4K UHD discs that I have with Dolby Vision using the LLDV Mod will actually do DV scene by Scene  ? If you have to input the nit value ? is that correct ?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 18, 2020, 09:24:55 PM
So the 4K UHD discs that I have with Dolby Vision using the LLDV Mod will actually do DV scene by Scene  ? If you have to input the nit value ? is that correct ?

Yes, they will play the Dolby Vision version that is encoded on those discs and also for any streaming Dolby Vision sources like those from Netflix, Vudu, AppleTV+, Disney+, etc.  It just converts the native Dolby Vision video files on the disc or stream to what is known as its Dolby Vision Profile 5 version, LLDV (Low Latency Dolby Vision).  This is the same version used by Sony players and displays.  It creates a signal that is basically an HDR ST2084 YCbCr compatible one, which any HDR10 compatible display or projector can display.  Think of it as Dolby Vision/LLDV in an HDR10/ST2084 "container", similar to what people think of with UHD HDR Blu-Rays using DCI-P3 inside BT2020 color gamuts.

The easiest thing to try nit wise is just use the default EDID 5 in the HDFury device, which is for the Sony A1 OLED.  It's peak luminance is about 700 nits, so people are reporting that their stock or custom 1,000 nit HDR curves are working well with this, other than the red push as seen on faces, but as I said there's some easy work arounds for that now, especially with JVCs where they use some people like Mark Swift and Dominic Chan's custom profiles I believe.  You will have to ask them for details as I don't have a JVC any longer.

If you get something higher up like the Vertex2, Diva or Maestro, then you can try the custom DV strings which offer more variables.  I would just try the Sony A1 EDID at first, until you get more familiar with what is going on and how you can tweak it further though.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 18, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
Yes, they will play the Dolby Vision version that is encoded on those discs and also for any streaming Dolby Vision sources like those from Netflix, Vudu, AppleTV+, Disney+, etc.  It just converts the native Dolby Vision video files on the disc or stream to what is known as its Dolby Vision Profile 5 version, LLDV (Low Latency Dolby Vision).  This is the same version used by Sony players and displays.  It creates a signal that is basically an HDR ST2084 YCbCr compatible one, which any HDR10 compatible display or projector can display.  Think of it as Dolby Vision/LLDV in an HDR10/ST2084 "container", similar to what people think of with UHD HDR Blu-Rays using DCI-P3 inside BT2020 color gamuts.

The easiest thing to try nit wise is just use the default EDID 5 in the HDFury device, which is for the Sony A1 OLED.  It's peak luminance is about 700 nits, so people are reporting that their stock or custom 1,000 nit HDR curves are working well with this, other than the red push as seen on faces, but as I said there's some easy work arounds for that now, especially with JVCs where they use some people like Mark Swift and Dominic Chan's custom profiles I believe.  You will have to ask them for details as I don't have a JVC any longer.

If you get something higher up like the Vertex2, Diva or Maestro, then you can try the custom DV strings which offer more variables.  I would just try the Sony A1 EDID at first, until you get more familiar with what is going on and how you can tweak it further though.
That sound quiet good I think I’d rather go for the vertex 2.

thank you :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 19, 2020, 06:18:49 AM
So the 4K UHD discs that I have with Dolby Vision using the LLDV Mod will actually do DV scene by Scene  ? If you have to input the nit value ? is that correct ?
Dolby Vision overlays a standard gamma curve. Which is what Panasonic, MadVR and Lumagen do. This LLDV method is overlapping a dynamic tone map onto a static one. So it is not the same thing as Dolby Vision.



Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 19, 2020, 06:44:16 AM
Dolby Vision overlays a standard gamma curve. Which is what Panasonic, MadVR and Lumagen do. This LLDV method is overlapping a dynamic tone map onto a static one. So it is not the same thing as Dolby Vision.

Yes it is! LLDV is Profile 5 of the DOLBY VISION Standard Mike!

You’re just telling your display to use an ST2084 curve because that’s EXACTLY what DolbyVision/LLDV uses!

Please provide proof of what you’re saying.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 19, 2020, 12:14:21 PM
Yes it is! LLDV is Profile 5 of the DOLBY VISION Standard Mike!

You’re just telling your display to use an ST2084 curve because that’s EXACTLY what DolbyVision/LLDV uses!

Please provide proof of what you’re saying.
Proof that it is the same as Dolby Vision? I  think that is up to you to prove, not me to disprove. The content being sent to the player is static. The player is then applying its own dynamic tone mapping to the content.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 19, 2020, 12:16:38 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you say at one time you liked to apply HDR color mapping to SDR content?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 19, 2020, 03:33:00 PM
Proof that it is the same as Dolby Vision? I  think that is up to you to prove, not me to disprove. The content being sent to the player is static. The player is then applying its own dynamic tone mapping to the content.

There is nothing to prove and the burden of proof is not on me. Profile 5 of the Dolby Vision spec is LLDV. It IS Dolby Vision. Your player has no idea that it isn’t connected to a DOLBY VISION capable Sony TV, the A1 OLED, because that’s what the HDFury is telling your player that it is. It is sending the exact same Dolby Vision signal it does to any Sony display.

All the processing is just done in the player/source, hence the name “Player LED”. This is the same processing done in the standard version of Dolby Vision in the display, but it’s just moved to the player to do instead. Then it sends the signal as a YCbCr ST2084 BT2020 signal to the display, which just uses that mode to display it instead of the regular DV processing which sends the signal disguised as an 8 bit RGB signal with enhancement layer. Our projectors just have to be in that mode to display it properly. The only caveat is/was that the player itself thought it was connected to the A1, so bases its processing on the A1’s luminance levels. All you have to do is make slight adjustments so it best presents itself on your lower nit projectors. This is now very easy to do with the latest HDFURY FW which allows you to customize the DV String parameters being sent to the player to use in its LLDV processing algorithm. 

I’m not sure what you mean about the source being static?  The source is native DolbyVision like that found in Dolby Vision UHD Blu-ray discs and streaming video from Netflix, etc. You can clearly see this as Dolby Vision end to end in these photos:


Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 19, 2020, 03:37:30 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you say at one time you liked to apply HDR color mapping to SDR content?

OK, I’m correcting you. You’re wrong. Not sure where you got that from?
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 19, 2020, 06:30:56 PM
Looking at the specs, Dolby indicates that Profile 5 has no enhancement layer. This means it's not providing dynamic tonemapping to the image. Basically, all you're getting is HDR10. What's the point in using this if HDR10 is available elsewhere? This seems like one of those bistreaming vs LPCM arguments. Profile 5 is how Netflix and other streaming services convert SDR to HDR, not add on to an existing HDR image.This is the only time it can be thought of as an "enhancement layer". In the end, you're still just getting HDR10 with nothing extra. I don't see the appeal here. Am I missing something?

Edit:
From:https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-profiles-levels.pdf (https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-profiles-levels.pdf)
(https://i.imgur.com/OhQ4nvg.png)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 19, 2020, 08:10:09 PM
Looking at the specs, Dolby indicates that Profile 5 has no enhancement layer. This means it's not providing dynamic tonemapping to the image. Basically, all you're getting is HDR10. What's the point in using this if HDR10 is available elsewhere? This seems like one of those bistreaming vs LPCM arguments. Profile 5 is how Netflix and other streaming services convert SDR to HDR, not add on to an existing HDR image.This is the only time it can be thought of as an "enhancement layer". In the end, you're still just getting HDR10 with nothing extra. I don't see the appeal here. Am I missing something?

Edit:
From:https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-profiles-levels.pdf (https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-profiles-levels.pdf)
(https://i.imgur.com/OhQ4nvg.png)

Yes, you're missing something. ;)

There is no enhancement layer left because it has already been used and incorporated into the end result signal inside the player, which is then output as LLDV with whatever DTM was incorprated from the DV Metadata embedded in the original DV file on the disc or streaming container.  You're basically getting what would normally be internal to the Dolby Vision monitor, where the processing is and used to be for the original versions of DV, which you see in your charts, the ones with enhancement layers.

This all happened before Sony and Dolby got together to come up with this profile version which allowed their high end TVs like the A1 OLED, which didn't have the processing power internally to pull off the regular DV version processing.  So they together came up with a way to do it in the player instead, which apparently with their X1 Extreme processor(?), which was able to do the proper processing there first, then send the already decoded and processed Dolby Vision signal over to the display in an easy enough format to display with its existing modes, which we now know is just a standard ST2084 curve and YCbCr BT2020. The only thing the player needs to know is what the Max Luminance (nits) of the display are, and now with the latest version of HDFury products, we can create custom strings to give it that.

These pages (attached) are from a DV pdf document describe the basic process:

https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1891.0;attach=4772
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1891.0;attach=4774
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1891.0;attach=4776



You are indeed getting the full Dolby Vision signal with its dynamic tone mapping based on the metadata.  The layers and metadata are just being used in the player with LLDV instead of in the display.  A very basic signal flow would be like this:

Original Dolby Vision w/ enhancement layers (RGB 8 bit encoded) decoded by the display:
Source file (RGB 8 bit encoded + Enhancement Layer)->Player->Player HDMI Output->HDMI Cable->Display HDMI Input->DV Decoder/Processor (~ICtCp to YCbCr/YUV ST2084)->Display Driver->Display's Screen

Original Dolby Vision w/ enhancement layers (RGB 8 bit encoded) decoded by the LLDV capable player:
Source file (RGB 8 bit encoded + Enhancement Layer)->Player->DV Decoder/Processor (~ICtCp to YCbCr/YUV ST2084)->Player HDMI Output->HDMI Cable->Display HDMI Input->Display Driver->Display's Screen

You're just moving where the decoding and processing is taking place.  That is all.  I guess a similar processing can be thought of as how a Dolby Digital signal can be either sent as the un-decoded bitstream to an AVR, which then breaks it down to its 5.1, 7.1, etc. audio channels for each speaker, or you can decode it in the player itself to its discreet PCM or analog channels and then send that to your AVR, putting the processing work on the player instead of the AVR.  As a matter of fact, that's how they came up with this LLDV Profile, by using the same thought process and technique as they did with multi-channel audio processing and signal distribution.

You can clearly see in the images I posted in my reply to Mike that it is using the Dolby Vision layer on the source as well as the output.  It is NOT using the HDR base layer only!  You can easily see the differences if you try this and play it each way.  An easy way to do this is to use something like a UB820 and tick the Dolby Vision box to ON, watch some native DV discs, then untick the DV box to OFF and watch the same scenes in regular HDR10 (without any other DTM solution engaged like on a JVC projector, Lumagen RP, MadVR, Envy, etc.).  You will also see the changes in the various display info menus where it goes from displaying all Dolby Vision info to showing HDR10.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on April 19, 2020, 08:19:11 PM
I have a Vertex and Panasonic 820, so I could do this with my RS2000, right? Now I just need the time to implement it and test. Can you point me to a post that has the instructions on what the settings need to be in the player, Vertex, and projector so I don't have to reinvent the wheel?

Thanks!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 19, 2020, 09:00:02 PM
I have a Vertex and Panasonic 820, so I could do this with my RS2000, right? Now I just need the time to implement it and test. Can you point me to a post that has the instructions on what the settings need to be in the player, Vertex, and projector so I don't have to reinvent the wheel?

Thanks!

Links are already in the post I made before, here:
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=1891.msg16561#msg16561 


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HarperVision said:

I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:


https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/ (https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1 (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1) 


I would maybe just read the first few posts in those threads to get the basic premise, but then skip to the end and work back, finding the latest HDFury settings to try and skipping all the initial ones that ended up being superseded.

An easy start though is if you have just an original Vertex is to select the Custom EDID 5 on the Vertex, which is for a Sony A1 OLED, which has this LLDV capability.  When placed between your UB820 and AVR/RS2000, it will trick your UB820 into thinking it is connected to the Sony A1 so it will allow you to engage its Dolby Vision mode and and since it will sense as if you have a "Sony A1", it will use its built in LLDV processing instead of sending the RGB 8 bit FEL/MEL disguised DV signal.

One thing with the UB820 is that it won't convert any HDR10 or SDR HD to LLDV, which when setup properly can also look incredible when converted.  The UB820/9000 or Pioneer LX-500 can only process the native Dolby Vision sources to LLDV.  You would need something like an Oppo UDP-203/205 or Sony X700 or X800M2 to convert all sources, because they have options to force DV.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 19, 2020, 09:41:40 PM
I have a Vertex and Panasonic 820, so I could do this with my RS2000, right? Now I just need the time to implement it and test. Can you point me to a post that has the instructions on what the settings need to be in the player, Vertex, and projector so I don't have to reinvent the wheel?

Thanks!
Hey Dave

im Intrested to see how you go. I haven’t got a vertex yet but would love to get your review on how it works with the RS2000.

Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on April 20, 2020, 07:56:17 AM
Links are already in the post I made before, here:
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=1891.msg16561#msg16561



I would maybe just read the first few posts in those threads to get the basic premise, but then skip to the end and work back, finding the latest HDFury settings to try and skipping all the initial ones that ended up being superseded.

An easy start though is if you have just an original Vertex is to select the Custom EDID 5 on the Vertex, which is for a Sony A1 OLED, which has this LLDV capability.  When placed between your UB820 and AVR/RS2000, it will trick your UB820 into thinking it is connected to the Sony A1 so it will allow you to engage its Dolby Vision mode and and since it will sense as if you have a "Sony A1", it will use its built in LLDV processing instead of sending the RGB 8 bit FEL/MEL disguised DV signal.

One thing with the UB820 is that it won't convert any HDR10 or SDR HD to LLDV, which when setup properly can also look incredible when converted.  The UB820/9000 or Pioneer LX-500 can only process the native Dolby Vision sources to LLDV.  You would need something like an Oppo UDP-203/205 or Sony X700 or X800M2 to convert all sources, because they have options to force DV.
I probably won't get to this until later this week, but thanks for the help. I ended up getting rid of my Oppo in order to get the original tone mapping from the Panasonic. Bad move by me :( I'll give it a go with the 820 though.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 20, 2020, 11:55:11 AM
If anyone needs a Sony UltraHD Blu-ray player to take advantage of this, I have a Sony UBP-X700, X800M2, and X1100ES available.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 20, 2020, 01:23:59 PM
I probably won't get to this until later this week, but thanks for the help. I ended up getting rid of my Oppo in order to get the original tone mapping from the Panasonic. Bad move by me :( I'll give it a go with the 820 though.

Thanks again!

Sounds good. I look forward to hearing your thoughts about it. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on April 20, 2020, 08:15:40 PM
Sounds good. I look forward to hearing your thoughts about it.
Turns out the the Vertex doesn't have a Macro option for Dolby Vision, so you have to manually select the input (bummer). Regardless, I've downloaded the latest firmware and the BT2020 EDID profile, but I'm not sure where/how to load that, plus I'm not sure which boxes I need to "check" to get the proper output. If I'm reading it correctly, using the Sony EDID creates red push, which I don't want to have to calibrate out, if possible, so I'd like to test this manually to see if it's worth ordering a Vertex 2 to replace my current Vertex. Any chance you can post a screenshot or I can PM my email address so I can see how you have your Vertex (or Vertex 2) configured? 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 20, 2020, 08:45:55 PM
Turns out the the Vertex doesn't have a Macro option for Dolby Vision, so you have to manually select the input (bummer). Regardless, I've downloaded the latest firmware and the BT2020 EDID profile, but I'm not sure where/how to load that, plus I'm not sure which boxes I need to "check" to get the proper output. If I'm reading it correctly, using the Sony EDID creates red push, which I don't want to have to calibrate out, if possible, so I'd like to test this manually to see if it's worth ordering a Vertex 2 to replace my current Vertex. Any chance you can post a screenshot or I can PM my email address so I can see how you have your Vertex (or Vertex 2) configured?

I no longer have a JVC projector, so I am not sure on the macros for them.  If I recall from reading though, you may need a Vertex2, Diva or Maestro for that, idk.

I have went back and looked at some old files from when I had a Vertex1, so I see you don't have to use just the Sony A1 EDID.  You can use AUTOMIX as well as Custom EDID 5 - Sony A1 LLDV.  Look at the screen shots I attached here from my old Vertex1.  I would try AUTOMIX with the check boxes you see I checked on there.  Make sure you actually select the AUTOMIX mode too.  In the screenshot I have the Custom EDID selected, where you can see Input 1 shows the Sony A1 EDID.

Then the other screenshot shows the HDR Custom Metadata Generator to make a custom EDID.  The boxes you want selected are as shown.

If you use the Custom Metadata with the BT2020 selected then I think this should alleviate any red push.  You can always try the default Sony A1 EDID just to see the differences.  The red push on faces isn't bad, but you can see all the benefits regardless.  You can contact Dominic Chan or Claw over on AVSF and they can help you with solutions on a JVC.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: David Vaughn on April 21, 2020, 03:22:02 PM
Thanks....yes, Claw has been helping me out. I'll be able to test it tonight, but I need to ensure that there's an option on the macro screen in regard to a Dolby Vision signal...without that, it's a deal breaker (assuming everything looks good in my tests). 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 21, 2020, 06:03:57 PM
Thanks....yes, Claw has been helping me out. I'll be able to test it tonight, but I need to ensure that there's an option on the macro screen in regard to a Dolby Vision signal...without that, it's a deal breaker (assuming everything looks good in my tests).

I saw that and it's awesome!  In my humble opinion, buying a Vertex2 is WELL worth it for what this mod provides for all sources, especially being able to get DV on home projectors and displays that otherwise only do HDR10.  I had a Lumagen Radiance Pro here just before discovering this mod (which after I sold it is actually the reason I DID discover this, haha!).  In all honesty, I kind of like this more overall than the RP.  I like the resultant image it gives me with all sources.  The image just looks more "real" to me, especially things like faces, skin and foliage.  The DTM seems to be as good or better than what I had with the RP too, but for perspective it was an earlier version of FW and I haven't had the pleasure of being able to do a side by side.....yet!

Sure, if I had the funds to have a RP or Envy, I certainly would without question, but if my budget and funds were limited I would sacrifice in other areas just to get an HDFury Vertex2, Diva or Maestro, a Sony X800M2 or X1100ES and an AppleTV for MUCH less than what either of those video processors cost and then get as good or better appearing video conversions, plus the immense added bonus of Dolby Vision capabilities!

Another note, I would also keep abreast of the AV Forums link about this too.  It has some different perspectives and tweaks there that don't seem to get mentioned or given the respect that they deserve over on AVSF, when being tried properly.  It could be due to the fact that most there are doing it with JVC projectors and some Sonys.  People have reported great results using a 10,000 nit DV String on their Sonys, the same as what I use on my LK990, but JVC owners report different results.  To me it's because they're using custom curves based on an SDR/BT2020 input, as converted in a UB820 or Lumagen.  I would have to have one to try it to be sure of course.

Good Luck and please don't hesitate to email or PM me if you have any questions.  We should probably start a dedicated thread here so we don't clog this one with LLDV talk.  If anyone agrees and would participate to make it worth it, let me know.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 21, 2020, 07:36:49 PM
I saw that and it's awesome!  In my humble opinion, buying a Vertex2 is WELL worth it for what this mod provides for all sources, especially being able to get DV on home projectors and displays that otherwise only do HDR10.  I had a Lumagen Radiance Pro here just before discovering this mod (which after I sold it is actually the reason I DID discover this, haha!).  In all honesty, I kind of like this more overall than the RP.  I like the resultant image it gives me with all sources.  The image just looks more "real" to me, especially things like faces, skin and foliage.  The DTM seems to be as good or better than what I had with the RP too, but for perspective it was an earlier version of FW and I haven't had the pleasure of being able to do a side by side.....yet!

Sure, if I had the funds to have a RP or Envy, I certainly would without question, but if my budget and funds were limited I would sacrifice in other areas just to get an HDFury Vertex2, Diva or Maestro, a Sony X800M2 or X1100ES and an AppleTV for MUCH less than what either of those video processors cost and then get as good or better appearing video conversions, plus the immense added bonus of Dolby Vision capabilities!

Another note, I would also keep abreast of the AV Forums link about this too.  It has some different perspectives and tweaks there that don't seem to get mentioned or given the respect that they deserve over on AVSF, when being tried properly.  It could be due to the fact that most there are doing it with JVC projectors and some Sonys.  People have reported great results using a 10,000 nit DV String on their Sonys, the same as what I use on my LK990, but JVC owners report different results.  To me it's because they're using custom curves based on an SDR/BT2020 input, as converted in a UB820 or Lumagen.  I would have to have one to try it to be sure of course.

Good Luck and please don't hesitate to email or PM me if you have any questions.  We should probably start a dedicated thread here so we don't clog this one with LLDV talk.  If anyone agrees and would participate to make it worth it, let me know.
I own a sony x700 and a Sony X800 4k UHD Blu Ray. So definitely looking forward in getting a vertex 2
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: HarperVision on April 21, 2020, 08:44:37 PM
I own a sony x700 and a Sony X800 4k UHD Blu Ray. So definitely looking forward in getting a vertex 2

Just remember, the older original X800 and X1000ES don't do Dolby Vision.  Only the X700, X800M2 and X1100ES do.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on April 21, 2020, 08:50:52 PM
Just remember, the older original X800 and X1000ES don't do Dolby Vision.  Only the X700, X800M2 and X1100ES do.
Okay cheers mate 👍
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on April 29, 2020, 08:03:18 AM
JVC opened for one day and shipped our backordered B-stock projectors. So we have a limited qty. of these headed to us. :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Dylan Seeger on June 13, 2020, 08:01:59 AM
Finally got around to watching 1917 last night. The NX9 did NOT disappoint. Really impressed with how it handled this film. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on June 13, 2020, 08:17:58 AM
That movie looked great on the RS3000. I need to watch it again. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Franin on June 13, 2020, 08:27:13 AM
Fantastic film looks awesome on the NX9
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Javs on June 14, 2020, 12:35:24 AM
People have reported great results using a 10,000 nit DV String on their Sonys, the same as what I use on my LK990, but JVC owners report different results.  To me it's because they're using custom curves based on an SDR/BT2020 input, as converted in a UB820 or Lumagen.

I saw on the AVForums thread you said this before also, I just wanted to clear that up, the people using the Arve curves (my '85nit' or others) are proper ST.2084 curves generated for an HDR signal, there is nothing SDR at all about them.
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on June 14, 2020, 08:44:40 AM
Finally got around to watching 1917 last night. The NX9 did NOT disappoint. Really impressed with how it handled this film.

I've watched it 3 times so far. Excellent film. Quite good attention to detail. I pick up new things each time I watch it. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: Killroy™ on June 14, 2020, 06:57:44 PM
We did a double feature of The Shinning and Doctor Sleep (both on UHD) and I have to admit that I can't remember ever seeing such a beautiful image for The Shinning and Doctor Sleep had scenes that were just like looking out a window...crystal clear. 
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSCraig on June 14, 2020, 08:08:09 PM
We did a double feature of The Shinning and Doctor Sleep (both on UHD) and I have to admit that I can't remember ever seeing such a beautiful image for The Shinning and Doctor Sleep had scenes that were just like looking out a window...crystal clear.
That double feature is on my agenda. Soon !
Title: Re: JVC RS3000
Post by: AVSMike on July 13, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
For those needing Control4 drivers for JVC projectors, shoot us an email. Have the latest ones. :) 
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