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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2020, 08:22:24 AM »
It is the streaming service companies that build the Apps that are installed to players.  The player manufacturers have to convince the streaming provider to build one for their platform.
So how do all the various devices, such as ROKU and ZAPPITI etc. support literally ALL streaming service apps, everything from Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Youtube etc..? Excuse my ignorance in this regard, I am not an expert when it comes to this particular subject.

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2020, 09:14:31 AM »
So how do all the various devices, such as ROKU and ZAPPITI etc. support literally ALL streaming service apps, everything from Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Youtube etc..? Excuse my ignorance in this regard, I am not an expert when it comes to this particular subject.
Probably a licensing arrangement. More money needed on the front end I'll bet ! 
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2020, 09:27:48 AM »
So how do all the various devices, such as ROKU and ZAPPITI etc. support literally ALL streaming service apps, everything from Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Youtube etc..? Excuse my ignorance in this regard, I am not an expert when it comes to this particular subject.

Zappiti and Zidoo do not have streaming services unless they run a verified Android system. Anything else will be a hacked add-on. And even those maybe be limited to subpar 480p or 720p streams.

The problem is that to run those services you need verified and required hardware that make those players nearly impossible to modify. Completely closed systems is pretty much a requirement. How many times have we seen media players lose services due to hardware limitations of new app versions?...looking at you Roku. 

This is the reason why Kodi add-ons for Netflix are limited to 720p and sometimes 480p. They are pretty much modified add-ons that are not fully endorsed by the services or are using a modified web based player that are limited to 480p.

The worst thing MadVR LLC can do is attempt to have streaming services as that rabbit hole that is so deep that it will surely end in disaster.

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2020, 12:00:14 PM »
Zappiti and Zidoo do not have streaming services unless they run a verified Android system. Anything else will be a hacked add-on. And even those maybe be limited to subpar 480p or 720p streams.

The problem is that to run those services you need verified and required hardware that make those players nearly impossible to modify. Completely closed systems is pretty much a requirement. How many times have we seen media players lose services due to hardware limitations of new app versions?...looking at you Roku.

This is the reason why Kodi add-ons for Netflix are limited to 720p and sometimes 480p. They are pretty much modified add-ons that are not fully endorsed by the services or are using a modified web based player that are limited to 480p.

The worst thing MadVR LLC can do is attempt to have streaming services as that rabbit hole that is so deep that it will surely end in disaster.
Yikes! I had no idea it was such a minefield! We subcontract all our control system stuff to a third party who specialize in all of this, which includes all the streaming stuff. Clearly this was a good decision! 😲

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2020, 01:31:23 PM »
Maybe I'm just lucky but I don't have many issues with my HTPC for my theater. I would say it's no less of a hassle than many of the Blu-ray players and smart TV implementations that I've used over the years. Nothing is really hassle free in my experience. The key is to turn off Windows update and use an older validated graphics driver known to be free of issues. Most of the driver updates for GPUs are for improvements to performance in video games, so having the latest drivers is not important.

I have my HTPC setup so I can pop a UHD Blu-ray disc in my tray and it will automatically start playing with no intervention on my part. It works like a regular Blu-ray player in this aspect. I mostly rip my discs to my PC though and when guests are over, I show them my collection through Kodi, which sort of looks and functions like a kaleidescape server.
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2020, 02:34:22 PM »
I have my HTPC setup so I can pop a UHD Blu-ray disc in my tray and it will automatically start playing with no intervention on my part.
Dylan, I am not understanding something for HTPC.  Are there actual UHD BD players for HTPC's or do you use a standard BD player that will read and play UHD BD discs somehow with software?  I want to get into MadVR but, I don't want to rip discs right away and want to just be able to play a UHD disc in the HTPC.

I was looking at the Steiger Dynamic HTPC's but, not sure how to configure when it comes to the above. Thanks.

https://www.steigerdynamics.com/products-maven-htpc-configure
« Last Edit: June 16, 2020, 02:36:57 PM by Tom Bley »

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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2020, 07:50:22 PM »
You need a UHD "friendly" BD drive, not an official UHD drive.   You have to flash the friendly drive with older firmware since their "friendliness" has been disabled by the manufactures in drives with current firmware.

Then you need software such as AnyDVD HD to decrypt the UHD disc loaded in the friendly drive.

I use JRiver with MadVR to play folder backups of my UHD discs, but I can also play the disc directly from the drive.   I sometimes have to wait a couple of weeks for AnyDVD HD to get an update to decrypt a newly released disc.

I have not made any changes to my HTPC configuration since I upgraded the JRiver version in January.   I power up the HTCP into Windows 10.  I have JRiver launched automatically and display a cover flow of all the backed up UHD discs.   I choose a disc and select play that brings up the same disc menus that you would see with a UHD disc player.   I use a Media Center remote to navigate to discs, and select audio options.


With official UHD drives, you need specific Intel CPU/motherboards and Windows 10 with PowerDVD combination that supports the DRM and has ability to decrypt the disc just like a UHD disc player does.     
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2020, 04:46:24 AM »
You need a UHD "friendly" BD drive, not an official UHD drive.  You have to flash the friendly drive with older firmware since their "friendliness" has been disabled by the manufactures in drives with current firmware.

Then you need software such as AnyDVD HD to decrypt the UHD disc loaded in the friendly drive.

I use JRiver with MadVR to play folder backups of my UHD discs, but I can also play the disc directly from the drive.  I sometimes have to wait a couple of weeks for AnyDVD HD to get an update to decrypt a newly released disc.

I have not made any changes to my HTPC configuration since I upgraded the JRiver version in January.  I power up the HTCP into Windows 10.  I have JRiver launched automatically and display a cover flow of all the backed up UHD discs.  I choose a disc and select play that brings up the same disc menus that you would see with a UHD disc player.  I use a Media Center remote to navigate to discs, and select audio options.


With official UHD drives, you need specific Intel CPU/motherboards and Windows 10 with PowerDVD combination that supports the DRM and has ability to decrypt the disc just like a UHD disc player does.   
Hey claw,  Thanks a bunch! 8)

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