JVC DLA-RS1000/N5 & RS2000/NX7 Owners Thread

[bobof]

Has anyone compared the lumagen dynamic hdr tone mapping to the one on MAdVr?
I am on the fence on buying either the lumagen radiance pro, madvr envy, or build an HTPC. Iam also interested on the 3D lut calibration feature.

I am using a jvc rs2000 projector, an 144 studiotek 130 cinemascope screen, and my sources are a uhd blu ray player and a roku ultra.

I think you'll struggle to find much very much qualified opinion on the matter, probably the best place will be the Lumagen thread at the other place.  In general up until now not many folk would have reason to use both; the folk using Lumagens (like me) usually want to correct sources other than UHD / BD rips, so it doesn't really matter what MadVR looks like, on a PC at the moment it doesn't do anything useful for us.  Undoubtedly that will all change if the MadVR ENVY sees light of day, which will be good for everyone.

[AVSCraig]

I think you'll struggle to find much very much qualified opinion on the matter, probably the best place will be the Lumagen thread at the other place.  In general up until now not many folk would have reason to use both; the folk using Lumagens (like me) usually want to correct sources other than UHD / BD rips, so it doesn't really matter what MadVR looks like, on a PC at the moment it doesn't do anything useful for us.  Undoubtedly that will all change if the MadVR ENVY sees light of day, which will be good for everyone.

I would think it would be unusual to find someone with both, but you never know. The MadVR Envy will be interesting - more choices are good ! 

[Dylan Seeger]

If you're willing to build an HTPC I'd suggest you go that route. It's too soon to know what the Envy device is going to be capable of but we can be sure of one thing and that's that an HTPC will more than likely have more processing power than what's inside the Envy device. This leaves an HTPC as more flexible in what it can do with madVR while also offering a higher level of image processing capabilities. An HTPC will also be upgradable. I just replaced my aging GTX 980 graphics card with a new RTX 2070, which is dramatically faster which now allows me to use some of the higher quality options within madVR that I couldn't previously use. Unless the Envy device is using real graphics cards (and not some sort of specialized FPGA) I don't think it will be as capable of a real HTPC with madVR  It's also going to offer similar (probably better) image quality and tone mapping compared to a Lumagen at a dramatically lower price point. It just has so much more processing power compared to a lumagen.

I understand a lot of people watch content from a variety of places which means an HTPC isn't always something you can use. But for me, I only watch bluray and uhd bluray content on my projectors. I only really watched streamed content on my desktop PC or TV in my living room so an HTPC with madVR in the theater is a perfect solution. For others, I understand, it won't be.

[blee0120]

Can't believe I forgot about this forum. The other one is watered down with useless chatter. Good to find a useful forum again, plus tired of those infractions. Probably on my last one. 

[Dylan Seeger]

Can't believe I forgot about this forum. The other one is watered down with useless chatter. Good to find a useful forum again, plus tired of those infractions. Probably on my last one.

We hear you! This forum has a lot more substance than the other forum which is filled with back and forth bickering. Feel free to post here more often!

[blee0120]

We hear you! This forum has a lot more substance than the other forum which is filled with back and forth bickering. Feel free to post here more often!

I definitely will  I was wondering why you haven't posted there lol. But I'm enjoying my rs2000 so much. About to sell my oppo 203 to upgrade my pc. Been using my original pc as my server  

[Manni]

Has anyone compared the lumagen dynamic hdr tone mapping to the one on MAdVr?
I am on the fence on buying either the lumagen radiance pro, madvr envy, or build an HTPC. Iam also interested on the 3D lut calibration feature.

I am using a jvc rs2000 projector, an 144 studiotek 130 cinemascope screen, and my sources are a uhd blu ray player and a roku ultra.

Without any objective comparison of the processing and tonemapping quality from madVR and the Radiance Pro, you need to think about a few things to rule out options and find the best choice for you, because these two options don't have the same purpose:
- Do you want to be able to calibrate and process all your non-HTPC sources? If yes, that rules out the HTPC, as madVR on a HTPC can only process PC content.
- Are you ready to rip all your discs to hard drives, and invest in the additional cost? If not, a lot of the added value of the HTPC goes away. You can still use the HTPC with discs, but it's much less fun.
- The Radiance is a very good processor, but it doesn't have the processing power of a HTPC with a 1080ti or 2080 GPU (or better). Its processing is good but not as good as madVR and its dynamic tonemapping has only just caught up with madVR (it's been lagging behind for months). madVR is still ahead on many aspects, if only its ability to "look into the future" with measurements file, which the Radiance Pro will never be able to do unless it buffers at least 1 or 2 minutes of content before playback, which even if it was possible (I don't think it has the necessary memory to do so) would be inconvenient to the user.
- Many people are "guessing" what the Envy is going to be. No one can tell you now (not even those who know more than the scarce information already shared) which processing power it has, or what feature it will have. It could have a very powerful nVidia GPU in it, or it could have a less powerful FPGA, such as the one in the Radiance Pro.

So my advice is:

If you're not in a hurry and can postpone a decision for a few weeks or months, wait until we know what the Envy brings to the table. I doubt that madshi would have made this announcement if more info wasn't forthcoming in the short term. It could be the best of both worlds, i.e. madVR's best processing and tonemapping in an easy to set-up box that accepts any source from one or more HDMI inputs. Or not.

If you are in a hurry and need/want to process different sources such as a UHD BD player or a Roku, and don't want the hassle of configuring a HTPC, keeping drivers and OS up to date, resolving conflicts, finding best settings, and have everything collapse without a warning because MS or nVidia decides to change something, then get a Radiance Pro (though it's not easy to program or set up, you should get its manual to see what I mean).

If you are in a hurry and are happy with processing only content that can be stored on a HTPC, and plan to take advantage of the "disc-less" aspect of a HTPC setup, then get a HTPC with at least an RTX 2060, preferably a 2080, and if you want some headroom, a 2080ti.

Just my .2 cents of course.

[AVSMike]

Can't believe I forgot about this forum. The other one is watered down with useless chatter. Good to find a useful forum again, plus tired of those infractions. Probably on my last one.

The BS is so high on the other forum, that I don't even bother to respond to half of it.

[blee0120]

So, I'm going to take Dylan's situation and have my main device as a HTPC. I currently have a server and I rip all my movies to my server. I have close to 300 uhds and many more BDs as well as my fav TV shows on my server.  I do use my nvidia shield from time to time, but that's not a must have currently. I want to mainly know, can I run video to my projector, then audio to my avr from my pc if I get a GPU with two hdmi inputs? Second question, can I get by with a i3 while running a rtx2080? I believe both are doable, just want to be 100% sure while I'm buying parts today 

[gonzalc3]

Without any objective comparison of the processing and tonemapping quality from madVR and the Radiance Pro, you need to think about a few things to rule out options and find the best choice for you, because these two options don't have the same purpose:
- Do you want to be able to calibrate and process all your non-HTPC sources? If yes, that rules out the HTPC, as madVR on a HTPC can only process PC content.
- Are you ready to rip all your discs to hard drives, and invest in the additional cost? If not, a lot of the added value of the HTPC goes away. You can still use the HTPC with discs, but it's much less fun.
- The Radiance is a very good processor, but it doesn't have the processing power of a HTPC with a 1080ti or 2080 GPU (or better). Its processing is good but not as good as madVR and its dynamic tonemapping has only just caught up with madVR (it's been lagging behind for months). madVR is still ahead on many aspects, if only its ability to "look into the future" with measurements file, which the Radiance Pro will never be able to do unless it buffers at least 1 or 2 minutes of content before playback, which even if it was possible (I don't think it has the necessary memory to do so) would be inconvenient to the user.
- Many people are "guessing" what the Envy is going to be. No one can tell you now (not even those who know more than the scarce information already shared) which processing power it has, or what feature it will have. It could have a very powerful nVidia GPU in it, or it could have a less powerful FPGA, such as the one in the Radiance Pro.

So my advice is:

If you're not in a hurry and can postpone a decision for a few weeks or months, wait until we know what the Envy brings to the table. I doubt that madshi would have made this announcement if more info wasn't forthcoming in the short term. It could be the best of both worlds, i.e. madVR's best processing and tonemapping in an easy to set-up box that accepts any source from one or more HDMI inputs. Or not.

If you are in a hurry and need/want to process different sources such as a UHD BD player or a Roku, and don't want the hassle of configuring a HTPC, keeping drivers and OS up to date, resolving conflicts, finding best settings, and have everything collapse without a warning because MS or nVidia decides to change something, then get a Radiance Pro (though it's not easy to program or set up, you should get its manual to see what I mean).

If you are in a hurry and are happy with processing only content that can be stored on a HTPC, and plan to take advantage of the "disc-less" aspect of a HTPC setup, then get a HTPC with at least an RTX 2060, preferably a 2080, and if you want some headroom, a 2080ti.

Just my .2 cents of course.

I am considering building an HTPC with these parts:

• Grandia Series SST-GD09B, No PSU, ATX, Black, HTPC Case
• TUF B360M-E GAMING, Intel B360 Chipset, LGA 1151, HDMI, microATX Motherboard
• Core™ i5-8400 6-Core 2.8 - 4.0GHz Turbo, LGA 1151, 65W TDP, Retail Processor
• GeForce RTX™ 2070 XC BLACK EDITION GAMING, 1410 - 1620MHz, 8GB GDDR6, Graphics Card
• Overclocking, Single GPU, Optimal and Stable Performance
• 850 G3, 80 PLUS Gold 850W, ECO Mode, Fully Modular, ATX Power Supply
• 16GB HyperX Fury DDR4 2400MHz, CL15, Black, DIMM Memory
• 250GB MX500 2280, 560 / 510 MB/s, 3D NAND, SATA 6Gb/s, M.2 SSD
• 2TB BarraCuda ST2000DM006, 7200 RPM, SATA 6Gb/s NCQ, 64MB cache, 3.5-Inch HDD
• BDR-211UBK, BD 16x / DVD 16x / CD 40x, Ultra HD Blu-ray Burner, 5.25-Inch, Optical Drive
• Windows 10 Home 64-bit DVD OEM
• AntiVirus 2018 - 1 PC / 1 Year
• MK320, Wireless 2.4GHz USB, Black, Keyboard & Mouse

Any suggestions?

[Manni]

Sorry but this is getting really off topic here

Maybe you should create a separate thread to discuss this?

[AVSCraig]

Sorry but this is getting really off topic here

Maybe you should create a separate thread to discuss this?

Like a " Build Your Own HTPC " thread ! 

[gonzalc3]

Sorry but this is getting really off topic here

Maybe you should create a separate thread to discuss this?

Done!

Thanks!

[DavidHir]

The BS is so high on the other forum, that I don't even bother to respond to half of it.

I've been spending less time over there.

[AVSCraig]

I've been spending less time over there.

It's like an endless debate team try out over there some days.