JVC Autocal Software V12 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9

[3ll3d00d]

Is the Spyder 5 discontinued? Seems generally unavailable here (UK) while the spyderx is in stock. If so, any word on whether/when JVC will expand their meter support?

[Manni]

Is the Spyder 5 discontinued? Seems generally unavailable here (UK) while the spyderx is in stock. If so, any word on whether/when JVC will expand their meter support?

Yes it looks like it's discontinued. No idea when the Spyder X will be supported. Maybe Mike or Craig could ask JVC?

[Tom899]

Back in 2016 I bought a Calman package that came with a SpectraCal C6 HDR spectroradiometer. I believe under the hood it's an x-Rite i1 Display Pro, but not sure?? Do you know if the JVC Autocal software V11 will recognize it? I have a Spyder 5 coming for Gamma and was hoping the C6 HDR spectroradiometer will work for color. I'm guessing it won't but thought I'd ask.

[Manni]

Back in 2016 I bought a Calman package that came with a SpectraCal C6 HDR spectroradiometer. I believe under the hood it's an x-Rite i1 Display Pro, but not sure?? Do you know if the JVC Autocal software V11 will recognize it? I have a Spyder 5 coming for Gamma and was hoping the C6 HDR spectroradiometer will work for color. I'm guessing it won't but thought I'd ask.

Hi Tom,

No, the C6 is an i1display3, nothing to do with the i1pro2. Unfortunately it won’t be supported by the JVC Autocal, but you can use it to finetune a calibration with Calman, either instead or after using the Spyder for color.

You can always try the Spyder for color, check the calibration with the C6 and Calman, and see what you get comparing with the before cal state. The Spyder should improve things, and if it doesn’t go back to before the autocal and use the C6 manually.

The new JVC are very close OOTB re color with the correct profile, so a Spyder to correct gamma droop over time is the most important.

[Tom899]

Hi Tom,

No, the C6 is an i1display3, nothing to do with the i1pro2. Unfortunately it won’t be supported by the JVC Autocal, but you can use it to finetune a calibration with Calman, either instead or after using the Spyder for color.

You can always try the Spyder for color, check the calibration with the C6 and Calman, and see what you get comparing with the before cal state. The Spyder should improve things, and if it doesn’t go back to before the autocal and use the C6 manually.

The new JVC are very close OOTB re color with the correct profile, so a Spyder to correct gamma droop over time is the most important.

Thanks Manni, appreciate the information!
The RS1000 is coming today, and a Chief Projector Mount RPA 281 including SLB281, tomorrow.
As soon as I get it today, I'll temporarily set it up on a table and power it up to make sure it works, and to verify it survived shipping.
For the last 4 years I've been using a Sony VPLHW40ES with an eeColor 3D LUT box and Darbee in the chain. I'm pretty sure I'll remove both of those devices as they don't pass 4K. I used the C6 with ColourSpace CMS for the Sony 40ES, and I had it dialed in pretty good, thanks to Ted Aspiotis's help. I'm hoping the RS1000 upgrade will be a noticeable difference, even OOTB.
I'm looking forward to using AutoCal after a few weeks, at least for Gamma. I was going to get the Express version of the Spyder 5 as suggested, but found the Elite version on sale for just a few dollars more. I understand they are all the same meter but couldn't pass up the deal.
Thanks for your help.

 

[Manni]

I hope you enjoy your rs1000 when it gets there, unharmed!

You won't need the Darbee or the eecolor if you use madVR. Otherwise, you can always keep them in a separate chain, using a HD Fury splitter (or two outputs in your AVR) to send 4K and 3D 1080p content directly to input 1 of the JVC and 2D 1080p content to input 2, going through the Darbee and eecolor. Most probably won't be needed though, the RS1000 should be close to reference after an autocal.

The S5 Elite is the same meter as the S5 Pro (exactly). The only difference are features in the Datacolor software (which we don't use).

It's not exactly the same meter as the S5 Express, because it has an environment mode, which the Express doesn't have (a physical diode is missing on the Express that's needed to support this). We don't use this either with the Autocal, at least in a dedicated room, but it is supported by the JVC Autocal and some seem to use this feature, especially if they have some ambient light in the room, or non-treated walls/ceiling.

So you've not entirely wasted your money buying the Elite over the Express. You have wasted it if the Pro was cheaper though

By the way, there is no quality/binning between the different versions. I tried many S4 and S5, some Elite units were far worse than some Express ones. It's a bit of a lottery irrespective of the model, but overall they are not that bad.

Enjoy your new toy(s)!

[Tom899]

Thanks! Great information!

[Manni]

Thanks! Great information!

You're welcome. I added a bit about the eecolor/darbee as well.

[Tom899]

You're welcome. I added a bit about the eecolor/darbee as well.

Thanks. I'd like to try and not use them, hopefully it looks good and I won't need to.

[Tom899]

One more question please.
OOTB, should I run on low or high lamp mode? Or a mixture.
17' throw, 134" Carada BW 16x9, all lights out.
Thanks!
Tom

[Manni]

One more question please.
OOTB, should I run on low or high lamp mode? Or a mixture.
17' throw, 134" Carada BW 16x9, all lights out.
Thanks!
Tom

With my 88” diag 16/9 Carada BW, I can just about get away with low lamp for HDR (120 nits), so I would expect that you’ll need high lamp in HDR, especially if you don’t use dynamic tonemapping (madVR or Radiance Pro). You should be fine to get around 50nits for SDR in low lamp.

So I’d use the BT2020 color profile (with the filter) in high lamp in HDR with the iris fully open, as the drop is only 10%, and the rec709 profile in low lamp for SDR with whichever iris setting gives you 50-60nits (or whatever your preference is in SDR).

Then it’s up to you to decide if you can live with the artifacts (yellowing and blooming) that the DI brings, especially when the manual iris is more than half open (-8 and above).

Apparently the yellowing is being worked on, not sure if blooming is being addressed too.

I suggest you try it (in auto2) once you’ve set the manual iris to get the desired brightness in SDR, and if you don’t detect anything, don’t look for them and just enjoy the DI

[Tom899]

With my 88” diag 16/9 Carada BW, I can just about get away with low lamp for HDR (120 nits), so I would expect that you’ll need high lamp in HDR, especially if you don’t use dynamic tonemapping (madVR or Radiance Pro). You should be fine to get around 50nits for SDR in low lamp.

So I’d use the BT2020 color profile (with the filter) in high lamp in HDR with the iris fully open, as the drop is only 10%, and the rec709 profile in low lamp for SDR with whichever iris setting gives you 50-60nits (or whatever your preference is in SDR).

Then it’s up to you to decide if you can live with the artifacts (yellowing and blooming) that the DI brings, especially when the manual iris is more than half open (-8 and above).

Apparently the yellowing is being worked on, not sure if blooming is being addressed too.

I suggest you try it (in auto2) once you’ve set the manual iris to get the desired brightness in SDR, and if you don’t detect anything, don’t look for them and just enjoy the DI

Thanks Manni, you mentioned a BT2020 color profile (with the filter)? Is this the filter that is only on the RS2000/3000? Or am I mistaking for something else.

[Manni]

Thanks Manni, you mentioned a BT2020 color profile (with the filter)? Is this the filter that is only on the RS2000/3000? Or am I mistaking for something else.

Oops sorry, I was thinking rs2000/3000, in your case it’s the HDR profile and there is no filter indeed. I expect you will still need high lamp in HDR.

[den110]

Yes it looks like it's discontinued. No idea when the Spyder X will be supported. Maybe Mike or Craig could ask JVC?

I was just going to purchase the Spyder5 for Auto Cal on my RS2000.  Should I wait to see what JVC will do to support their software as opposed to trying to find one still for sale?  Hoping they will support the Spyder X.   

[Manni]

I was just going to purchase the Spyder5 for Auto Cal on my RS2000.  Should I wait to see what JVC will do to support their software as opposed to trying to find one still for sale?  Hoping they will support the Spyder X. 

If you need to run an autocal soon, I'd get a Spyder 5 while you still can. It's only a matter of time before they get discontinued everywhere.

If you're not in a hurry, you can wait but given the amount of work that JVC still have to do on more pressing matters, I would not expect the Spyder X to be supported any time soon.

If, by the time you want to run an Autocal, the Spyder 5 is discontinued in your country as well, you'll have to wait, and who knows how long it will take.

It would be useful if Craig or Mike could ask JVC if they have any plans to support the Spyder X, and if they have a vague ETA if it's in the works, so that their users can make a decision.