I think most people are well aware of the Sony issues (banding, noise reduction etc which has been there for ages, panel degradation may be fixed though), but I don't think you're doing yourself any favours by referring to Sony owners as 'fanboys' just because that's their preference. It could just as easily be said that you're a JVC fanboy and have bias, especially given your reaction to Ekki's comments. Don't take it so personally.It's just a question of balance and what people prefer. You clearly don't like the Sony's and prefer the JVCs, whereas others are the other way round, yet that doesn't seem acceptable to you. The JVC dither noise isn't just in dark areas, and JVC are well aware of the issue because they said that with eshift 5 they have reduced the image noise (part of their marketing blurb), so that's a clear admission that it's a pj artefact (and not a source artefact) that they're trying to remedy that. Ekki was just pointing out that it still seems to be present in the new 4K models and I don't see anything wrong with that, in the same way he's saying the banding is still present in the new Sony models. The JVC image noise is something that doesn't bother you, in the same way that the banding etc of the Sony's doesn't bother other people, but I don't see why the people with a Sony preference should be attacked for it and labelled as fanboys. Both have pros and cons and people are just choosing the image they prefer at the price point they can afford.
The noise related to eshift is not the same issue Ekki and I are referring to. So no, its not there in all portions of the image. The noise you're thinking of is related solely to eshift as it's not there with eshift turned off. You really need to know these differences if you're going to argue with me. To reiterate this Ekki's quoted as saying "Panel PWM noise in dark grayscale as in the X series, I have specially checked with a freeze frame." Remember, the N5 is native 4K so no eshift so that only furthers my point even more.This is not about fanboyism. Again, it's about being fair. I don't take issue with him not liking the dither noise. To each their own. It's about being fair and talking about issues and giving them criticism based on the severity of them. To give one a pass, when it objectively does more harm to the image compared to the other issue is not fair. Plain and simple.
The LS10000 was a great projector. I didn't have the chance to have one in my theater, but I was invited over someones house to view and measure one for about 8 hours. At the time I had brought over my JVC DLA-X500 for comparison. The two units were pretty close in most areas. The JVC's lens was ever so slightly sharper, eshift on the JVC (being the 3rd generation) was more mature and better implemented and the JVC definitely had more contrast available. I did think the Epson had one of the best dynamic contrast systems I've ever seen. Probably THE best I've seen and I thought the Epson had a slightly more analog look to its image. It's a shame we haven't seen Epson update the LS series to achieve more brightness, native 4K and more contrast. It definitely could have been a contender for best overall image out there if they had.
wait...did i click on the avsforum bookmark by accident?whats up with all the bickeringbtw the answer to my own question is a resounding no.....there would have been bans issued already hahaha