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2018 CEDIA projector thread

2018 CEDIA projector thread
« on: July 20, 2018, 08:44:48 AM »
We will post projector information and pictures in this thread. If you have info on 2018 CEDIA projectors, please post here. We will have a general 2018 CEDIA thread posted in the news area for all products.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2018, 10:32:32 AM by AVSMike »
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2018, 08:47:46 AM »
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2018, 03:04:55 PM »
I'm curious to see what Epson has to offer. I would love to see them come out with something native 4K for under $10,000.

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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 08:59:09 AM »
I'm curious to see what Epson has to offer. I would love to see them come out with something native 4K for under $10,000.

I'd be happy to see anything new from Epson - and not just a " re-tread ".
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 12:39:36 PM »
I'd be happy to see anything new from Epson - and not just a " re-tread ".

The same could be said of Sony. They've taken essentially one projector and made a whole line up from it. Just offering different wattage lamps and taking away a few things in software but asking up to $10,000 more for "everything" to be included. That's essentially what the 285ES vs the 675ES is.
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 04:52:47 AM »
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 01:10:17 PM »


 ;D Maybe ? !  ;D
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2018, 02:15:15 PM »
We'll see. I can only imagine what the price is going to be. This is probably meant to be direct competition to the RS4500. So an MSRP of $35,000? Sony really needs to get native contrast above 20,000:1 at full brightness if they want to take away sales from potential RS4500 shoppers. I still won't own a Sony 4K projector at any price until they fix the issues with banding and posterization as I feel it degrades the onscreen resolution to the point where I have a hard time considering it to actually be a native 4K image. And for the asking price of some of these Sony 4K models it's a real shame they haven't fixed it. I know Kris Deering has mentioned seeing this issue with the 885ES still. I think it's only a new generation panel and panel driver that can fix this issue. I still feel this is the main reason e-shift on the JVCs gives a similar level of subjective fine detail with 4K content.
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2018, 04:52:30 PM »
We'll see. I can only imagine what the price is going to be. This is probably meant to be direct competition to the RS4500. So an MSRP of $35,000? Sony really needs to get native contrast above 20,000:1 at full brightness if they want to take away sales from potential RS4500 shoppers. I still won't own a Sony 4K projector at any price until they fix the issues with banding and posterization as I feel it degrades the onscreen resolution to the point where I have a hard time considering it to actually be a native 4K image. And for the asking price of some of these Sony 4K models it's a real shame they haven't fixed it. I know Kris Deering has mentioned seeing this issue with the 885ES still. I think it's only a new generation panel and panel driver that can fix this issue. I still feel this is the main reason e-shift on the JVCs gives a similar level of subjective fine detail with 4K content.

Yep, I saw pretty bad banding during a demo of Planet Earth 2 via the 885es.  Besides that it looked stunning.

Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2018, 10:51:39 AM »
Just my opinion, but I think Sony just charges way too much for what they offer in their 4K projectors...and certainly at their prices, these issues should not exist.

Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2018, 12:42:52 PM »
Unfortunately it's their brand name that most people are willing to pay more for. That has diminished a bit over the years, but regular consumers don't mind paying a bit more just to own something with the Sony name on it. I've seen this attitude discussed a bit on the other forum regarding their projectors too.

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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2018, 07:27:14 PM »
Unfortunately it's their brand name that most people are willing to pay more for. That has diminished a bit over the years, but regular consumers don't mind paying a bit more just to own something with the Sony name on it. I've seen this attitude discussed a bit on the other forum regarding their projectors too.

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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2018, 05:16:14 PM »
It's refreshing to not having an account over there. Far fewer petty arguments and far less time wasted on people who don't want to listen to reason anyways.

Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2018, 12:08:10 PM »
It does get ridiculous. Mention an issue on a Sony projector and out of the woodwork they come and start saying it is not true. Every projector has some warts. Heck we all know what warts the JVC's have. It is discussed often times in the JVC threads. But you can't discuss in the Sony threads, because it turns into a battle. It is not like anyone has ever said the Sony 4K projectors are not good projectors, because they are very good projectors. Heck the quality of projector that you can get from JVC and Sony these days is fantastic.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2018, 05:27:11 AM by AVSMike »
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Re: 2018 CEDIA projector thread
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2018, 06:23:52 PM »
I notice a certain number of Sony owners are what I would call "emotional buyers".  They cannot stay objective at all.  Sony is great and so is the projector and there is nothing more.  As Seegs alluded, surely the Sony brand name plays a big factor where as they shove aside data, facts - I notice a lot of them don't even calibrate properly.  If you try to point these things out (even tactfully) it leads to backlash as if you are personally insulting them and then they respond emotionally and often intellectually dishonestly.   
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