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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #420 on: January 11, 2018, 11:00:34 PM »
My guess is, to save costs, the control board for the laser may actually be less refined than what's found in the 5000ES. This may be the cause for the crudeness of the laser dimming on the 885ES. We saw the same thing happen with LED control. Only OSRam with their RAPCUR module offered a powerful competent LED control module that offered fine step gradation and the speed necessary to act as a suitable replacement for a physical dynamic iris. The RAPCUR module was only found in the most costly LED based projectors.

Except ccool96 said the dynamic dimming is also not very good on the 5000 and that nobody used it.
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #421 on: January 11, 2018, 11:25:53 PM »
Except ccool96 said the dynamic dimming is also not very good on the 5000 and that nobody used it.

Correct on the dynamic laser dimming. Not usable in my opinion.

But there is one major difffence between the two units.

With the 5000ES there is a huge Reduction in light output from max laser power to min laser power.  About a 75% reduction.  Max power, OOTB you can easily get 4800. At min power I got around 1200 lumens. So you can decrease the light output by 75% from max to min.  On the 885, this range is far far narrower.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 11:27:24 PM by Ccool96 »

Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #422 on: January 11, 2018, 11:38:49 PM »
Chris I know you dislike dynamic contrast systems, but subjectively do you find the RS4500 or 5000ES better of in terms of visibility and artifacts. I know JVC has released several firmware updates that have helped performance with the laser dimming. If you HAD to use one, which would it be?
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #423 on: January 12, 2018, 12:02:13 AM »
Chris I know you dislike dynamic contrast systems, but subjectively do you find the RS4500 or 5000ES better of in terms of visibility and artifacts. I know JVC has released several firmware updates that have helped performance with the laser dimming. If you HAD to use one, which would it be?

If I had to use one today, I would use the JVC.

It does provide a visual increase in contrast and helps lower black floor, but I can see it working.

The Sony “dynamic dimming” is only good for total fade to black. That’s it. 

The Sony “dynamic iris” definitely works better than the “dynamic laser dimming”.

But since the 5000ES is really the commercial GTZ270, which didn’t offer some of these features originally, I think Sony spent very little time on the “dynamic dimming”.

I do believe they have the ability to offer top-notch “dynamic laser dimming” system, if they were to put effort into it, like they did for their “dynamic iris” system.

Hopefully the 885, being solely designed for home cinema and not the commercial market, will cause Sony to really invest the time and effort needed to improve the dynamic laser dimming. 


Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #424 on: January 12, 2018, 12:43:34 AM »
Good to know. I really need to get around seeing the RS4500. It's really the only projector that's piqued my interest that I haven't had the chance to view here in my theater. I've kind of written off the Sony 4Ks. Personally I find the banding and posterization artifacts too much of an oversight on Sony's part especially considering they've had since the 1000ES to fix it. Having had a 285ES here recently, I know the issue is still present. I find that it takes away too much potential fine detail from the image.
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #425 on: January 12, 2018, 08:43:47 AM »
Good to know. I really need to get around seeing the RS4500. It's really the only projector that's piqued my interest that I haven't had the chance to view here in my theater. I've kind of written off the Sony 4Ks. Personally I find the banding and posterization artifacts too much of an oversight on Sony's part especially considering they've had since the 1000ES to fix it. Having had a 285ES here recently, I know the issue is still present. I find that it takes away too much potential fine detail from the image.

Sounds like you need to take a short trip to Rochester. :)
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #426 on: January 12, 2018, 10:01:21 AM »
Sounds like you need to take a short trip to Rochester. :)

Or buy one from Amazon, test it and return it!  ;) All 85.9 lbs of it!!   ::)

I WANT loan you my credit card!  :D

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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #427 on: January 12, 2018, 10:46:43 AM »
Or buy one from Amazon, test it and return it!  ;) All 85.9 lbs of it!!   ::)

I WANT loan you my credit card!  :D

I doubt you can find a new RS4500 for sale on Amazon. The way that projector has to be sold, probably makes it so that it can't be sold on Amazon. I just did a search on Amazon and got zero hits. You also get zero hits for a VW5000.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2018, 10:48:44 AM by AVSMike »
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #428 on: January 12, 2018, 02:44:59 PM »
Sounds like you need to take a short trip to Rochester. :)

Haha I know! But I always have a hard time judging relative performance in a different room, on a different screen, with different source hardware and with different (often never before seen) source material.  However,  if I'm in the Rochester area I'll definitely stop by.
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« Reply #429 on: January 12, 2018, 03:30:17 PM »
Haha I know! But I always have a hard time judging relative performance in a different room, on a different screen, with different source hardware and with different (often never before seen) source material.  However,  if I'm in the Rochester area I'll definitely stop by.

You ever get out to Northern CA ? You're welcome to come see mine.  :)

Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #430 on: January 13, 2018, 01:49:30 PM »
Does anyone know if “FattyKid” ever made it over here with us from the AVS Banned Club? I’ve got a question for him on a DIY build he did last year.

Thx!
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #431 on: January 13, 2018, 02:43:05 PM »
Does anyone know if “FattyKid” ever made it over here with us from the AVS Banned Club? I’ve got a question for him on a DIY build he did last year.

Thx!

I don't think so.
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« Reply #432 on: January 14, 2018, 03:41:27 PM »
this aimed at you guys??  this is in classifieds stickied.....i get a kick out of "our members are treated this way" lol hat a joke

"It has come to our attention that despite agreeing to our forum rules when joining, several members have been violating these by trolling the site for potential customers preying on our membership for a buck.

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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #433 on: January 14, 2018, 03:52:51 PM »
this aimed at you guys??  this is in classifieds stickied.....i get a kick out of "our members are treated this way" lol hat a joke

"It has come to our attention that despite agreeing to our forum rules when joining, several members have been violating these by trolling the site for potential customers preying on our membership for a buck.

The ONLY avenue for self-promotion on this site is with paid advertising through VerticalScope.

Report all veiled attempts at marketing such as "PM/email/call me", "I sell these" and "see my site" to staff for immediate action. As always, this includes both public posts as well as private messages.

We've had to terminate accounts in the last year and will continue to do so moving forward.

Our members are not to treated this way. AVS Forum is and always has been a safe place for people to share information without the burden of used car salesmen tactics."

What do you think?
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #434 on: January 14, 2018, 04:18:45 PM »
this aimed at you guys??  this is in classifieds stickied.....i get a kick out of "our members are treated this way" lol hat a joke

"It has come to our attention that despite agreeing to our forum rules when joining, several members have been violating these by trolling the site for potential customers preying on our membership for a buck.

The ONLY avenue for self-promotion on this site is with paid advertising through VerticalScope.

Report all veiled attempts at marketing such as "PM/email/call me", "I sell these" and "see my site" to staff for immediate action. As always, this includes both public posts as well as private messages.

We've had to terminate accounts in the last year and will continue to do so moving forward.

Our members are not to treated this way. AVS Forum is and always has been a safe place for people to share information without the burden of used car salesmen tactics."

It's aimed at everyone that is a dealer - Arrow, Javs, anybody. It's like a trip wire. Be careful.

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