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[AVSCraig]

What I truly can not get over is how misinformation or incorrect information is treated like gospel. In the 885ES thread they talk about pictures being amazing, then we find out the gamma is crap, now there is talk about DCI coverage and if someone says its 99% people jump on board to praise Sony and nobody truly takes time to vet out the information.

I was interested in the 885ES, mainly as I can get it for cost which makes the price a bit easier to swallow, but I think the only real benefit over my RS640 would be the laser.

I am going to hold off and see what the future brings, the hard part is, you have to weed through so much mis-information just to find the truth. I value what others bring, but I was a bit taken back that the main machine being used for the reporting initially had great focus, then it had gamma droop, now all of a sudden its been dropped, its out of focus and its defective? It almost feels like it's being used as an excuse for poor performance of that unit. I could be wrong, but again, it hard to follow.

I thought Nigel had 5 different VW885's there ?

[AVSCraig]

In fact this morning Nigel said " Having now had opportuntity to evaluate 5 units, aside from a defective unit, what I am finding is that the lens and optics are very good. ". So those aren't all the same projectors.

[TWISM]

I thought Nigel had 5 different VW885's there ?

Which is why I said I could be wrong, its just not clear which unit he is measuring at the time.

[stanger89]

\=I'm getting really into high end 2-channel audio. The problem with audio is that everything seems to be more subjective on how things perform. I mean, yes, there are standards in audio too but they aren't used as strictly as video standards are. Plus there's a lot of snake oil claims/products out there that need to be investigated.

Surely you're not calling this snake oil!

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

 

[stanger89]

Same for me. Not reading the crap has been calming. Now, I reading Roxie and Runt again.

Which I why I put Roxie on my ignore list.   I should really put "Runt" on it again.  While there's a case to be made for correcting misinformation.  We're talking about entertainment products here, and if people don't want to seek the truth (not saying we hold/own the truth, but I think we all at least seek it), what's the point in trying to argue.

Runt gets under my skin with his amount of misinformation merry go round. I am not sure why Javs is going to the trouble. I gave up because no one in that thread seemed to care.

Yeah, I sort of applaud him, but that's why I got out.  It's really sort of amazing reading that.  In the one breath Runt will claim that it's the composite image that matters (sequential color), and in the very next say each individual part counts (4.15 million * 2).  If people can't see, or don't care about the conflict just there, well, you can't make people want to learn.

[AVSMike]

You're smarter than me Mike. I couldn't hold back most of the time. I will say that getting banned has actually led to less stress for me. I've also had more time to explore other areas of interest. I'm getting really into high end 2-channel audio. The problem with audio is that everything seems to be more subjective on how things perform. I mean, yes, there are standards in audio too but they aren't used as strictly as video standards are. Plus there's a lot of snake oil claims/products out there that need to be investigated.

just don't start posting pictures of your new cable lifters.

[Dylan Seeger]

I thought Nigel had 5 different VW885's there ?

I think he mentioned that two of them are going back due to issues. It seems Sony has spent their QC money on making the lens closer to spec, but forgot about the rest of the projector. 

[AVSMike]

I agree 100% and the things I here coming out of Ekki's camp has me starting to think that something is going on over there in Germany 

Go read his review on the VW600, regarding the lens. Then read the 665 review and the 675 review and see what he says about the lens. All three projectors use the same exact lens. Zero change was made to the lens for those three generations.

[AVSMike]

In fact this morning Nigel said " Having now had opportuntity to evaluate 5 units, aside from a defective unit, what I am finding is that the lens and optics are very good. ". So those aren't all the same projectors.

Correct. Two are going back to Sony. One with the green tint problem and one with focus problem, if I recall.

[AVSMike]

Surely you're not calling this snake oil!

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

 

That may be even worse than cable lifters.
https://www.google.com/search?q=audio+cable+lifters&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=SOYFymEP91XadM%253A%252CMgqB8bw5oYivSM%252C_&usg=__KOJsqYzqvjtIDPTfvdrku8fyGfs%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2tp6A9_XXAhVD54MKHY_6CWwQ9QEI8AEwAg#imgrc=SOYFymEP91XadM:

[Javs]

You're smarter than me Mike. I couldn't hold back most of the time. I will say that getting banned has actually led to less stress for me. I've also had more time to explore other areas of interest. I'm getting really into high end 2-channel audio. The problem with audio is that everything seems to be more subjective on how things perform. I mean, yes, there are standards in audio too but they aren't used as strictly as video standards are. Plus there's a lot of snake oil claims/products out there that need to be investigated.

If you want to really fall down a rabbit hole start designing and building speakers!

I am currently measuring and designing crossovers for my new 194cm tall towers.

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[AVSMike]

If you want to really fall down a rabbit hole start designing and building speakers!

I am currently measuring and designing crossovers for my new 194cm tall towers.

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Depends on what you build. If you start small, you will build something new, any chance you get. But build something like you did and I have a feeling you will be satisfied for a long time. That is how I am. I used to get new speakers every year or so, but after building my last set, I am done, unless i move and even then, I will take these with me if they will fit. But as of right now, I have no plans to move.

[Peter Parker]

I delved into crossover design, and then decided to try something easier. I'm now doing rocket science.

[ericglo]

just don't start posting pictures of your new cable lifters.

Was it Horshack? ew, ew, ew!

If you put your speaker cables in the wall and the cables run through holes in the studs, then are the studs cable lifters?

[Javs]

Depends on what you build. If you start small, you will build something new, any chance you get. But build something like you did and I have a feeling you will be satisfied for a long time. That is how I am. I used to get new speakers every year or so, but after building my last set, I am done, unless i move and even then, I will take these with me if they will fit. But as of right now, I have no plans to move.

Oh but Mike, you forget, I have many TV's in the house, many opportunities for speakers...

The wife goes, lets get a TV in the kitchen, I think, cool, I'll build a 5.1 system for it.

Possibilities possibilities.

I definitely think I am close to the point where as for my theatre, adding/changing anything in the 7 channel soundbed is going to just be completely obnoxious. The Atmos speakers though, I have big plans there, and I am not fully happy with that yet.