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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #165 on: December 05, 2017, 07:51:04 AM »
It's all about choices. My RS4500 is worth more than my 2007 350Z, but I'm more into home theater than cars !

Me too, but here in Norway the RS4500 is 50000 USD and even if you get a good discount it is more than the 35000 it is in the US and I highly doubt you payed 35000 for yours...  8)

I would like a RS4500, but I am not willing to pay what they charge here in Norway.
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #166 on: December 05, 2017, 07:51:49 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts. It's good to hear Sony is making some steps forward. Though I would say the price of the 885/760ES in the UK seems to be more reasonable than it is here in the US. I suspect if sales don't meet expectations we may see a price drop early next year. I know there have been many people vocal about the price difference. It's almost $10000 cheaper in Europe to buy this projector.

I was considering it and the RS4500 until the specs and pricing were released.  I was hoping for 2500 lumens and upgraded lens and when I saw that neither of those were included and then US pricing to boot it completely sealed the deal for me.  Thank you Sony you made 1 new and very happy JVC owner! :)
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #167 on: December 05, 2017, 07:53:22 AM »
Me too, but here in Norway the RS4500 is 50000 USD and even if you get a good discount it is more than the 35000 it is in the US and I highly doubt you payed 35000 for yours...  8)

I would like a RS4500, but I am not willing to pay what they charge here in Norway.

That is unfortunate  :-X 50k is a lot of money. 
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #168 on: December 05, 2017, 10:16:26 AM »
I was considering it and the RS4500 until the specs and pricing were released.  I was hoping for 2500 lumens and upgraded lens and when I saw that neither of those were included and then US pricing to boot it completely sealed the deal for me.  Thank you Sony you made 1 new and very happy JVC owner! :)

That seemed to be th consensus at Cedia. At the Sony shootout, a lot of people including Arrow thought that the JVC was being handcuffed but still looked better. The price difference is not that great all things considered in the US.


On another note, it looks like Scaremax was banned. I guess the bland is leading the charge to get him re instated. Funny thing is I thought he had toned down his posts or am I mistaken?

Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #169 on: December 05, 2017, 10:24:11 AM »
That seemed to be th consensus at Cedia. At the Sony shootout, a lot of people including Arrow thought that the JVC was being handcuffed but still looked better. The price difference is not that great all things considered in the US.


On another note, it looks like Scaremax was banned. I guess the bland is leading the charge to get him re instated. Funny thing is I thought he had toned down his posts or am I mistaken?

Now granted photos are not anything to go upon, but I remember seeing photos somewhere from the Sony shootout at Cedia and the comments were about how the Sony fared well, which I can totally believe considering it was conducted by Sony.  I also expect the 885 to be a fine unit and it fits the market very well in Europe.  Not so well here, but it still fills a void as it offers a laser engine and a smaller chassis more suitable for ceiling mounting.

 Back to the pictures, I remember seeing one with both screens in the view and I clearly saw that the JVC looked brighter more than anything and the blacks looked better too. 

I have one foot in the grave over at that other forum and just laid into Roxie, but I just can't believe how that guy is able to control the dialogue in a forum so clearly and seems to have free reign to do so?   
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #170 on: December 05, 2017, 01:26:43 PM »
Now granted photos are not anything to go upon, but I remember seeing photos somewhere from the Sony shootout at Cedia and the comments were about how the Sony fared well, which I can totally believe considering it was conducted by Sony.  I also expect the 885 to be a fine unit and it fits the market very well in Europe.  Not so well here, but it still fills a void as it offers a laser engine and a smaller chassis more suitable for ceiling mounting.

 Back to the pictures, I remember seeing one with both screens in the view and I clearly saw that the JVC looked brighter more than anything and the blacks looked better too. 

I have one foot in the grave over at that other forum and just laid into Roxie, but I just can't believe how that guy is able to control the dialogue in a forum so clearly and seems to have free reign to do so?

I saw that. it's great to be excited about a new projector, but he sure is the definition of the term " fan boy ". It would help if he actually had one or had even seen one - ha !  :-[ 

Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #171 on: December 05, 2017, 02:43:42 PM »
I saw that. it's great to be excited about a new projector, but he sure is the definition of the term " fan boy ". It would help if he actually had one or had even seen one - ha !  :-[

Seriously the comment he made that completely set me off was how he can't wait until the 885es is compared to the RS4500 and the 5000es, "I'll leave it at that".   True fanboy comment since he has never seen any of those projectors in person.   Looks he removed that post too.    >:(
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #172 on: December 05, 2017, 04:00:41 PM »
Seriously the comment he made that completely set me off was how he can't wait until the 885es is compared to the RS4500 and the 5000es, "I'll leave it at that".   True fanboy comment since he has never seen any of those projectors in person.   Looks he removed that post too.    >:(

It's not like they are all designed for the same screen size / user / pocket book. There's a projector for everyone out there, and none of them are perfect, but all throw a very good image. But we know why he hates JVC - they purposely brought out a new improved model right after he bought his RS600 just to mess with him .  ;D  Unfortunately 4K and HDR developments have caused more confusion / problems / upset consumers than any other format change than I've ever seen ( all brands included ) since getting into home theater in 2003.

Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #173 on: December 05, 2017, 04:31:44 PM »
The only way to beat Roxie is to play him at his own game. You need to report posts. Enough complaints will get him banned. He ruins threads by talking complete nonsense and it gets people upset and they lash out with ad hominem posts and they are the unfortunate ones who get banned.
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #174 on: December 05, 2017, 06:18:10 PM »
There's been A LOT of misinformation over there lately.  Just earlier some dealer was claiming JVC has issues with lamps and, of course, his customers prefer Sony.

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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #175 on: December 05, 2017, 09:04:40 PM »
There's been A LOT of misinformation over there lately.  Just earlier some dealer was claiming JVC has issues with lamps and, of course, his customers prefer Sony.

Yeah, I could not let that one go. I typed out one response, read it twice, then edited it to tone it down. Been having to do that a lot lately.
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #176 on: December 06, 2017, 03:17:49 AM »
Yeah, I could not let that one go. I typed out one response, read it twice, then edited it to tone it down. Been having to do that a lot lately.


You're smarter than me Mike. I couldn't hold back most of the time. I will say that getting banned has actually led to less stress for me. I've also had more time to explore other areas of interest. I'm getting really into high end 2-channel audio. The problem with audio is that everything seems to be more subjective on how things perform. I mean, yes, there are standards in audio too but they aren't used as strictly as video standards are. Plus there's a lot of snake oil claims/products out there that need to be investigated.
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #177 on: December 06, 2017, 09:16:33 AM »
You're smarter than me Mike. I couldn't hold back most of the time. I will say that getting banned has actually led to less stress for me. I've also had more time to explore other areas of interest. I'm getting really into high end 2-channel audio. The problem with audio is that everything seems to be more subjective on how things perform. I mean, yes, there are standards in audio too but they aren't used as strictly as video standards are. Plus there's a lot of snake oil claims/products out there that need to be investigated.

Same for me. Not reading the crap has been calming. Now, I reading Roxie and Runt again. Honestly, Roxie isn't that bad and is more annoying. Runt gets under my skin with his amount of misinformation merry go round. I am not sure why Javs is going to the trouble. I gave up because no one in that thread seemed to care. It kind of reminds me of bodybuilding forums with what is referred to as Bro Science.
 
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I guess that would make it the AVBS forum. :)

As for 2 channel audio, good luck. Do you know how many average to inadequate audio systems I heard at Cedia?

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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #178 on: December 06, 2017, 10:43:27 AM »
What I truly can not get over is how misinformation or incorrect information is treated like gospel. In the 885ES thread they talk about pictures being amazing, then we find out the gamma is crap, now there is talk about DCI coverage and if someone says its 99% people jump on board to praise Sony and nobody truly takes time to vet out the information.

I was interested in the 885ES, mainly as I can get it for cost which makes the price a bit easier to swallow, but I think the only real benefit over my RS640 would be the laser.

I am going to hold off and see what the future brings, the hard part is, you have to weed through so much mis-information just to find the truth. I value what others bring, but I was a bit taken back that the main machine being used for the reporting initially had great focus, then it had gamma droop, now all of a sudden its been dropped, its out of focus and its defective? It almost feels like it's being used as an excuse for poor performance of that unit. I could be wrong, but again, it hard to follow.
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Re: Banned at AVSForum
« Reply #179 on: December 06, 2017, 11:02:24 AM »
What I truly can not get over is how misinformation or incorrect information is treated like gospel. In the 885ES thread they talk about pictures being amazing, then we find out the gamma is crap, now there is talk about DCI coverage and if someone says its 99% people jump on board to praise Sony and nobody truly takes time to vet out the information.

I was interested in the 885ES, mainly as I can get it for cost which makes the price a bit easier to swallow, but I think the only real benefit over my RS640 would be the laser.

I am going to hold off and see what the future brings, the hard part is, you have to weed through so much mis-information just to find the truth. I value what others bring, but I was a bit taken back that the main machine being used for the reporting initially had great focus, then it had gamma droop, now all of a sudden its been dropped, its out of focus and its defective? It almost feels like it's being used as an excuse for poor performance of that unit. I could be wrong, but again, it hard to follow.

I agree 100% and the things I here coming out of Ekki's camp has me starting to think that something is going on over there in Germany  :-\
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St 130 138" scope screen
Marantz 7704 /Integra DTA 70.1
7.2.2 Atmos

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