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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2019, 05:30:54 PM »
JVC is already so far ahead of both Sony and Epson in terms of image quality and features, I don't understand why people are upset that no new models are coming out. Is it a laser light source that they want? Surely these people must understand that adding a laser would increase the MSRP quite a bit. Probably more than most are willing to spend at the moment.

I'm excited to test this new firmware when it comes out next month. From what I saw at CEDIA it looks like it's going to perform well. Honestly, if it's pretty close to madVR, I may be ditching my HTPC setup and going with something a little less cumbersome to use, like an nvidia shield.

I think a lot of people feel that if Epson can do it at their price point then JVC should be able to offer laser for very little added cost. It will probably be years before JVC has a laser option under $10k, but people have to bitch about something.

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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2019, 06:51:44 PM »
I think a lot of people feel that if Epson can do it at their price point then JVC should be able to offer laser for very little added cost. It will probably be years before JVC has a laser option under $10k, but people have to bitch about something.

BenQ does it by stripping out all the bells and whistles like a motorized lens, lens memory, I'll guess one T.I. DLP chip is cheaper than 3 DILA chips too. I notice that Epson doesn't do laser and native 4K and all the bells and whistles I'd want. At any price. Yet. 
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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2019, 11:34:53 PM »
Its interesting that they have a Frame by Frame and a Scene by Scene for their version of DTM. I believe Kris had noted that a Frame by Frame might not be ideal and the other stand alone DTMs were doing a Scene by Scene to allow for less jarring changes in tone mapping. Did they show the differences of Frame by Frame vs Scene by Scene? Would that add to a video lag compared to audio? Nevertheless, the pictures definitely show improvements on the Meg scenes compared to without any form of Tone Mapping.

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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2019, 07:21:16 AM »
Its interesting that they have a Frame by Frame and a Scene by Scene for their version of DTM. I believe Kris had noted that a Frame by Frame might not be ideal and the other stand alone DTMs were doing a Scene by Scene to allow for less jarring changes in tone mapping. Did they show the differences of Frame by Frame vs Scene by Scene? Would that add to a video lag compared to audio? Nevertheless, the pictures definitely show improvements on the Meg scenes compared to without any form of Tone Mapping.

It was hard to see any difference using Frame by Frame vs Scene by Scene. But I would need a lot more demo material and time to really test the differences. 
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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2019, 08:17:04 AM »
It was hard to see any difference using Frame by Frame vs Scene by Scene. But I would need a lot more demo material and time to really test the differences.
It's great to hear that they give you the option of frame by frame OR scene by scene though. 8)

Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2019, 11:11:45 AM »
It remains to be seen whether the JVC firmware works as well as the Lumagen, but most people can't afford the Lumagen or to build a HTPC with MadVR. So if it's only 75% as effective, it's still going to provide a better picture than not having it. And those that want to absolute best will still pony up the $ for the top accessories that provide the best picture. We won't know until it gets compared sometime later this year. So there is probably still a place for the Lumagen and the Envy.

Another thing to factor in is that the Lumagen and Envy do quite a bit more than just tone mapping. madVR especially has the best video upscaler that I've personally seen. The Envy will also auto-detect black bars and scale the image appropriately on an anamorphic screen. It can also detect the aspect ratio of the video and automatically trigger a lens memory. And a million other cool features relevant to home theater projector users. So, even if it gets most of the way there in terms of tone mapping, these other video processors can do a lot of other things. 
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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2019, 11:50:02 AM »
Another thing to factor in is that the Lumagen and Envy do quite a bit more than just tone mapping. madVR especially has the best video upscaler that I've personally seen. The Envy will also auto-detect black bars and scale the image appropriately on an anamorphic screen. It can also detect the aspect ratio of the video and automatically trigger a lens memory. And a million other cool features relevant to home theater projector users. So, even if it gets most of the way there in terms of tone mapping, these other video processors can do a lot of other things.

Agreed. I love the auto aspect ratio detection on the Lumagen too. And the scaling is top notch. There will always be a place for good video processors .
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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2019, 11:55:56 AM »
There will always be a place for good video processors .
Exactly, and right now that seems to be for the rich. :o ;D

Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2019, 11:57:35 AM »
Did you happen to notice any pumping of the tone mapping or a lag in the tone mapping as a scene changed brightness?

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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2019, 02:34:23 PM »
Did you happen to notice any pumping of the tone mapping or a lag in the tone mapping as a scene changed brightness?
No. Only thing different I saw was the improvement in the image.
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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2019, 03:35:47 PM »
Thanks Mike

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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2019, 06:49:07 AM »
Thanks Mike
If I did not already own a Lumagen, I would be jumping up and down anxiously waiting for this new firmware. :) 
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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2019, 08:01:39 AM »
If I did not already own a Lumagen, I would be jumping up and down anxiously waiting for this new firmware. :)
I've recently been darn close to executing the purchase of a Lumagen. I'll now be waiting to experience this FW. As a previous post mentioned, there are other desirable features in a processor and in the end they may be the factors that result in my purchasing a Lumagen. But like Dave V. said, this is a mighty big value add to the product and its $0 cost to current owners (I've a NX7) is a pretty big solid by JVC. 

Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2019, 09:14:49 AM »
If I did not already own a Lumagen, I would be jumping up and down anxiously waiting for this new firmware. :)
Same for me, but instead where I already own a madvr setup.

Looking forward to leveraging for my ATV4K

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Re: JVC HDR Tone Mapping Screen Shots
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2019, 10:11:59 AM »
Same for me, but instead where I already own a madvr setup.

Looking forward to leveraging for my ATV4K
Except there is a big difference. My solution does HDR tone mapping for all HDR sources.
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