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JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« on: September 10, 2017, 01:22:33 PM »
JVC unveiled the new RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors, along with a special limited edition " 20th Anniversary " model. The RS640 was being demo'd on a 110" StudioTek 130 showing 4K HDR at around 68 foot lamberts !





The RS640 looked cleaner and sharper with Eshift 5, and the picture looked outstanding !

Complete specifications here - http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO6.1
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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 01:23:44 PM »




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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 02:38:31 AM »
JVC AUS confirmed today that ONLY "20" of the DLA-20LTD projectors will be manufactured!    Dont know if any are headed to AUS..:(

Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 11:59:30 AM »
I'm going to give this a shot here:

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?

I guess to put it another way, how many of the developments of the RS4500 been ported to the x40 line?

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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 12:49:37 PM »
I'm going to give this a shot here:

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?

I guess to put it another way, how many of the developments of the RS4500 been ported to the x40 line?

I just asked JVC. Also, I'm trying to find out when the owners manuals will be on line, which would answer some questions too.
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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 01:36:56 PM »
I'm going to give this a shot here:

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?

I guess to put it another way, how many of the developments of the RS4500 been ported to the x40 line?


1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
 - No
 
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
 - On the 540/640, the choice of HDR Color Profile (Best Brightness) or BT2020 Profile (Widest Color Gamut) idea comes from the 4500.  On all models, improved DI performance with HDR is a direct result of feedback from customers.  The other improvement is pretty basic, but the MaxFALL/Max CLL info is now displayed as a point of reference, although the projector does not act on that (better since it’s still not established that the info is really accurate).
 
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?
 -  To clarify, the MPC system now looks at all pixels.  Previously, it did not.  There is also an additional layer of processing where it considers the surrounding pixels when generating the data for the e-shift frames.  The coolest thing I noticed at the show was a distinct 4K pixel grid with the RS640/X990, and the fact that as a result, I did not need to turn off e-shift anymore to focus the projector.
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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 04:26:52 PM »
If you happen to use the Oppo UHD players they have a new 21:9 Cropped mode for those that zoom for CIH. It blanks any pixels outside the active frame so that you don't need to rely on a projector to do it. It also allows you an instant 16x9 mode for menus and such with the push of the zoom button. Makes it REALLY easy for folks that don't have a video processor with these functions. They also added two different 21:9 modes for those using A-Lenses, one for those with a fixed in place lens and one for those that use a lens that comes in and out of the lens path. Just FYI! All of this is included in the latest official firmware (that was released yesterday if I remember right).
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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2017, 06:05:10 PM »
If you happen to use the Oppo UHD players they have a new 21:9 Cropped mode for those that zoom for CIH. It blanks any pixels outside the active frame so that you don't need to rely on a projector to do it. It also allows you an instant 16x9 mode for menus and such with the push of the zoom button. Makes it REALLY easy for folks that don't have a video processor with these functions. They also added two different 21:9 modes for those using A-Lenses, one for those with a fixed in place lens and one for those that use a lens that comes in and out of the lens path. Just FYI! All of this is included in the latest official firmware (that was released yesterday if I remember right).

Thanks Kris, I see Oppo put the update out today.   I'm excited to try it out this weekend.  8)

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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2017, 06:15:55 PM »
Nice !
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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2017, 08:52:10 PM »
Good this update is supposed to allow HDR using the HDMI input on the 203. Until I replace my prepro, I have my Roku plugged into the 203, so now I can get HDR on my streaming. Have been curious to see what HDR looked like on the streaming services.
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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2017, 06:43:04 AM »

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
 - No

Bummer, wild curiosity, I thought the RS4500 saved masking with lens memory, maybe I'm misremembering.  Not a big deal either way, I rarely use masking, although that's mostly due to the difficulty of navigating menus to get to it since there aren't discrete codes for the masking memories on my RS600.

Speaking of, do they have an updated IR code document for the x20/x40 lines, the newest one here is for the x00s?
http://support.jvc.com/consumer/support/support.jsp?pageID=11
 
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2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
 - On the 540/640, the choice of HDR Color Profile (Best Brightness) or BT2020 Profile (Widest Color Gamut) idea comes from the 4500.  On all models, improved DI performance with HDR is a direct result of feedback from customers.

That sounds promising.

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The other improvement is pretty basic, but the MaxFALL/Max CLL info is now displayed as a point of reference, although the projector does not act on that (better since it’s still not established that the info is really accurate).

Yeah, I'm glad they didn't try to use it but it's nice to have.
 
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3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?
 -  To clarify, the MPC system now looks at all pixels.  Previously, it did not.  There is also an additional layer of processing where it considers the surrounding pixels when generating the data for the e-shift frames.  The coolest thing I noticed at the show was a distinct 4K pixel grid with the RS640/X990, and the fact that as a result, I did not need to turn off e-shift anymore to focus the projector.

Right, I guess maybe my question isn't really related to e-Shift 5, more the video processing in general.  On my RS600 the internal upconversion to 4K is nothing to write home about, but I've heard you and others say the RS4500's is very good, better than Lumagen or UB900, so I was curious if that got rolled into the RSx40's.

Thanks for the info :)

I assume preorder pricing is still unknown?

Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2017, 06:43:57 AM »
If you happen to use the Oppo UHD players they have a new 21:9 Cropped mode for those that zoom for CIH. It blanks any pixels outside the active frame so that you don't need to rely on a projector to do it. It also allows you an instant 16x9 mode for menus and such with the push of the zoom button. Makes it REALLY easy for folks that don't have a video processor with these functions. They also added two different 21:9 modes for those using A-Lenses, one for those with a fixed in place lens and one for those that use a lens that comes in and out of the lens path. Just FYI! All of this is included in the latest official firmware (that was released yesterday if I remember right).

I'm beginning to think you get a commission on Oppos ;)  Thanks for the reminder though.

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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2017, 08:56:00 AM »
Bummer, wild curiosity, I thought the RS4500 saved masking with lens memory, maybe I'm misremembering.  Not a big deal either way, I rarely use masking, although that's mostly due to the difficulty of navigating menus to get to it since there aren't discrete codes for the masking memories on my RS600.

Speaking of, do they have an updated IR code document for the x20/x40 lines, the newest one here is for the x00s?
http://support.jvc.com/consumer/support/support.jsp?pageID=11
 
That sounds promising.

Yeah, I'm glad they didn't try to use it but it's nice to have.
 
Right, I guess maybe my question isn't really related to e-Shift 5, more the video processing in general.  On my RS600 the internal upconversion to 4K is nothing to write home about, but I've heard you and others say the RS4500's is very good, better than Lumagen or UB900, so I was curious if that got rolled into the RSx40's.

Thanks for the info :)

I assume preorder pricing is still unknown?

The RS4500 does have masking available in a lens memory mode - you remember correctly.

At this point, I'm letting the UB900 upscale all Blu-rays to 4K - it looks amazing, and as far as I can tell, as good as the RS4500.

No pre-order pricing yet, as of 8:55 am pacific time - stay tuned !
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Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2017, 10:05:51 AM »
The RS4500 does have masking available in a lens memory mode - you remember correctly.

Bummer they didn't port that over to it's little brothers.

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At this point, I'm letting the UB900 upscale all Blu-rays to 4K - it looks amazing, and as far as I can tell, as good as the RS4500.

Cool, that's probably what I'd do too, though it would be nice for stuff that doesn't go through my Panny.

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No pre-order pricing yet, as of 8:55 am pacific time - stay tuned !

I figured, since you haven't emailed me yet ;)

Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2017, 08:02:06 AM »
Lot of guys waiting on the pricing. Had hoped we would have it this week, but was told a couple days ago that it would be next week.
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