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Title: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 10, 2017, 01:22:33 PM
JVC unveiled the new RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors, along with a special limited edition " 20th Anniversary " model. The RS640 was being demo'd on a 110" StudioTek 130 showing 4K HDR at around 68 foot lamberts !

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The RS640 looked cleaner and sharper with Eshift 5, and the picture looked outstanding !

Complete specifications here - http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO6.1
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 10, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
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Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: woofer on September 11, 2017, 02:38:31 AM
JVC AUS confirmed today that ONLY "20" of the DLA-20LTD projectors will be manufactured!    Dont know if any are headed to AUS..:(
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: stanger89 on September 14, 2017, 11:59:30 AM
I'm going to give this a shot here:

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?

I guess to put it another way, how many of the developments of the RS4500 been ported to the x40 line?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 14, 2017, 12:49:37 PM
I'm going to give this a shot here:

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?

I guess to put it another way, how many of the developments of the RS4500 been ported to the x40 line?

I just asked JVC. Also, I'm trying to find out when the owners manuals will be on line, which would answer some questions too.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 14, 2017, 01:36:56 PM
I'm going to give this a shot here:

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?

I guess to put it another way, how many of the developments of the RS4500 been ported to the x40 line?


1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
 - No
 
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
 - On the 540/640, the choice of HDR Color Profile (Best Brightness) or BT2020 Profile (Widest Color Gamut) idea comes from the 4500.  On all models, improved DI performance with HDR is a direct result of feedback from customers.  The other improvement is pretty basic, but the MaxFALL/Max CLL info is now displayed as a point of reference, although the projector does not act on that (better since it’s still not established that the info is really accurate).
 
3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?
 -  To clarify, the MPC system now looks at all pixels.  Previously, it did not.  There is also an additional layer of processing where it considers the surrounding pixels when generating the data for the e-shift frames.  The coolest thing I noticed at the show was a distinct 4K pixel grid with the RS640/X990, and the fact that as a result, I did not need to turn off e-shift anymore to focus the projector.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Kris Deering on September 14, 2017, 04:26:52 PM
If you happen to use the Oppo UHD players they have a new 21:9 Cropped mode for those that zoom for CIH. It blanks any pixels outside the active frame so that you don't need to rely on a projector to do it. It also allows you an instant 16x9 mode for menus and such with the push of the zoom button. Makes it REALLY easy for folks that don't have a video processor with these functions. They also added two different 21:9 modes for those using A-Lenses, one for those with a fixed in place lens and one for those that use a lens that comes in and out of the lens path. Just FYI! All of this is included in the latest official firmware (that was released yesterday if I remember right).
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Tom Bley on September 14, 2017, 06:05:10 PM
If you happen to use the Oppo UHD players they have a new 21:9 Cropped mode for those that zoom for CIH. It blanks any pixels outside the active frame so that you don't need to rely on a projector to do it. It also allows you an instant 16x9 mode for menus and such with the push of the zoom button. Makes it REALLY easy for folks that don't have a video processor with these functions. They also added two different 21:9 modes for those using A-Lenses, one for those with a fixed in place lens and one for those that use a lens that comes in and out of the lens path. Just FYI! All of this is included in the latest official firmware (that was released yesterday if I remember right).

Thanks Kris, I see Oppo put the update out today.   I'm excited to try it out this weekend.  8)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 14, 2017, 06:15:55 PM
Nice !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on September 14, 2017, 08:52:10 PM
Good this update is supposed to allow HDR using the HDMI input on the 203. Until I replace my prepro, I have my Roku plugged into the 203, so now I can get HDR on my streaming. Have been curious to see what HDR looked like on the streaming services.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: stanger89 on September 15, 2017, 06:43:04 AM

1)  Are the masking settings saved with the Lens Memory now?
 - No

Bummer, wild curiosity, I thought the RS4500 saved masking with lens memory, maybe I'm misremembering.  Not a big deal either way, I rarely use masking, although that's mostly due to the difficulty of navigating menus to get to it since there aren't discrete codes for the masking memories on my RS600.

Speaking of, do they have an updated IR code document for the x20/x40 lines, the newest one here is for the x00s?
http://support.jvc.com/consumer/support/support.jsp?pageID=11
 
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2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
 - On the 540/640, the choice of HDR Color Profile (Best Brightness) or BT2020 Profile (Widest Color Gamut) idea comes from the 4500.  On all models, improved DI performance with HDR is a direct result of feedback from customers.

That sounds promising.

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The other improvement is pretty basic, but the MaxFALL/Max CLL info is now displayed as a point of reference, although the projector does not act on that (better since it’s still not established that the info is really accurate).

Yeah, I'm glad they didn't try to use it but it's nice to have.
 
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3)  Any more details on e-Shift 5?  I've heard the RS4500's scaling is remarkable, has any of that been ported into the x40s?
 -  To clarify, the MPC system now looks at all pixels.  Previously, it did not.  There is also an additional layer of processing where it considers the surrounding pixels when generating the data for the e-shift frames.  The coolest thing I noticed at the show was a distinct 4K pixel grid with the RS640/X990, and the fact that as a result, I did not need to turn off e-shift anymore to focus the projector.

Right, I guess maybe my question isn't really related to e-Shift 5, more the video processing in general.  On my RS600 the internal upconversion to 4K is nothing to write home about, but I've heard you and others say the RS4500's is very good, better than Lumagen or UB900, so I was curious if that got rolled into the RSx40's.

Thanks for the info :)

I assume preorder pricing is still unknown?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: stanger89 on September 15, 2017, 06:43:57 AM
If you happen to use the Oppo UHD players they have a new 21:9 Cropped mode for those that zoom for CIH. It blanks any pixels outside the active frame so that you don't need to rely on a projector to do it. It also allows you an instant 16x9 mode for menus and such with the push of the zoom button. Makes it REALLY easy for folks that don't have a video processor with these functions. They also added two different 21:9 modes for those using A-Lenses, one for those with a fixed in place lens and one for those that use a lens that comes in and out of the lens path. Just FYI! All of this is included in the latest official firmware (that was released yesterday if I remember right).

I'm beginning to think you get a commission on Oppos ;)  Thanks for the reminder though.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 15, 2017, 08:56:00 AM
Bummer, wild curiosity, I thought the RS4500 saved masking with lens memory, maybe I'm misremembering.  Not a big deal either way, I rarely use masking, although that's mostly due to the difficulty of navigating menus to get to it since there aren't discrete codes for the masking memories on my RS600.

Speaking of, do they have an updated IR code document for the x20/x40 lines, the newest one here is for the x00s?
http://support.jvc.com/consumer/support/support.jsp?pageID=11
 
That sounds promising.

Yeah, I'm glad they didn't try to use it but it's nice to have.
 
Right, I guess maybe my question isn't really related to e-Shift 5, more the video processing in general.  On my RS600 the internal upconversion to 4K is nothing to write home about, but I've heard you and others say the RS4500's is very good, better than Lumagen or UB900, so I was curious if that got rolled into the RSx40's.

Thanks for the info :)

I assume preorder pricing is still unknown?

The RS4500 does have masking available in a lens memory mode - you remember correctly.

At this point, I'm letting the UB900 upscale all Blu-rays to 4K - it looks amazing, and as far as I can tell, as good as the RS4500.

No pre-order pricing yet, as of 8:55 am pacific time - stay tuned !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: stanger89 on September 15, 2017, 10:05:51 AM
The RS4500 does have masking available in a lens memory mode - you remember correctly.

Bummer they didn't port that over to it's little brothers.

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At this point, I'm letting the UB900 upscale all Blu-rays to 4K - it looks amazing, and as far as I can tell, as good as the RS4500.

Cool, that's probably what I'd do too, though it would be nice for stuff that doesn't go through my Panny.

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No pre-order pricing yet, as of 8:55 am pacific time - stay tuned !

I figured, since you haven't emailed me yet ;)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on September 16, 2017, 08:02:06 AM
Lot of guys waiting on the pricing. Had hoped we would have it this week, but was told a couple days ago that it would be next week.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: stanger89 on September 16, 2017, 07:03:33 PM
Lot of guys waiting on the pricing. Had hoped we would have it this week, but was told a couple days ago that it would be next week.

No biggie, I'm not in a rush or anything anyway, I was just asking questions and that one sort of popped out ;)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: stanger89 on September 18, 2017, 12:27:33 PM
2)  Are there any details about the HDR/DI HDR updates?  Are they (largely) from the RS4500 or are they basically the same as the x20/x00?
 - On the 540/640, the choice of HDR Color Profile (Best Brightness) or BT2020 Profile (Widest Color Gamut) idea comes from the 4500.  On all models, improved DI performance with HDR is a direct result of feedback from customers.

You know, I thought of a better way to ask what I'm wondering....

On the 4500, is the DI algorithm different for HDR vs SDR?  And if so (well really regardless) what about the x40s?

I'm curious because the existing DI on my RS600 seems to be biased toward not compressing highlights, not closing down until things are very, very dark.  However with HDR, where "normal" white is only at about 50%, it would seem you could bias your DI algorithm toward not raising black levels.  I guess what I'm curious about is if the DI for HDR will ride somewhat closed most of the time vs my 600 where it's "open" most of the time.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 18, 2017, 01:50:45 PM
You know, I thought of a better way to ask what I'm wondering....

On the 4500, is the DI algorithm different for HDR vs SDR?  And if so (well really regardless) what about the x40s?

I'm curious because the existing DI on my RS600 seems to be biased toward not compressing highlights, not closing down until things are very, very dark.  However with HDR, where "normal" white is only at about 50%, it would seem you could bias your DI algorithm toward not raising black levels.  I guess what I'm curious about is if the DI for HDR will ride somewhat closed most of the time vs my 600 where it's "open" most of the time.

Can't really say what the difference would be on the 40 series vs the RS4500. And right now I use mode 2 for HDR, and mode 1 for 1080p, since mode 2 is a bit too aggressive on 1080p ( it can close down too much at times ).
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on September 19, 2017, 03:01:46 PM
Preorder pricing is now available for these projectors. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: stanger89 on September 20, 2017, 01:36:15 PM
Preorder pricing is now available for these projectors. :)

And it's pretty good ;)

Look forward to seeing my 540 in a month or so.  :D
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: woofer on September 23, 2017, 01:16:44 AM
I have finally managed to secure a JVC DLA 20LTD...  ONLY 2 units coming to Aus, so very happy.. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on September 23, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
Sorry if I missed it, but is there an ETA on pre-orders being delivered to dealers/customers? I would love to check one of these units out. I'm sure both the 440 and 540 will be excellent performers, especially if eshift 5 has been improved!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on September 24, 2017, 09:05:32 AM
Sorry if I missed it, but is there an ETA on pre-orders being delivered to dealers/customers? I would love to check one of these units out. I'm sure both the 440 and 540 will be excellent performers, especially if eshift 5 has been improved!

Late October is the last I heard.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on September 24, 2017, 02:42:19 PM
Late October is the last I heard.

Great! That's a lot sooner than most years. I can remember some years where people weren't taking possession until Christmas or soon after.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Bombertodd on September 24, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
I have finally managed to secure a JVC DLA 20LTD...  ONLY 2 units coming to Aus, so very happy.. :)

Congrats. Post pictures when you get it.  8)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Haiej on September 25, 2017, 04:07:04 AM
Late October is the last I heard.
Great news !!!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on October 12, 2017, 12:03:33 PM
Yep, no one will be wondering if they are going to get their new shiny projector before Christmas or not. :)
If you order, we can guarantee delivery way before then. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on October 31, 2017, 11:33:05 AM
Today is the last day to get pre - order pricing - just FYI !  8)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Holiday121 on November 01, 2017, 12:42:47 PM
Questions regarding these new 540s. Since they are coming with preset hdr modes.

When you are using the autocal do you run them on these as well?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 01, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
Questions regarding these new 540s. Since they are coming with preset hdr modes.

When you are using the autocal do you run them on these as well?

No.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Holiday121 on November 01, 2017, 01:11:44 PM
Yikes thanks for the quick response!!

So what's the best way to sort of calibrate the hdr profile.

I'm using a 133 inch high power da lite screen
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 01, 2017, 03:40:44 PM
No.

Yes you do Mike.

The HDR Gamma can definitely be calibrated using Autocal since the X20 models.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 01, 2017, 04:38:58 PM
Yes you do Mike.

The HDR Gamma can definitely be calibrated using Autocal since the X20 models.

Thank God for Arves tool for the older models! :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 01, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
Thank God for Arves tool for the older models! :)

And the new!

I don't use built in HDR gamma at all.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Holiday121 on November 01, 2017, 05:36:58 PM
Hmmmm javs so how would you recommend going about calibrating the hdr?

I am about to pick up a spyder 5 this week
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 02, 2017, 07:31:30 AM
Yes you do Mike.

The HDR Gamma can definitely be calibrated using Autocal since the X20 models.

My mistake. Chad calibrated my RS4500. I thought you used Autocal for 1080P and then used 4K test patterns to adjust for the HDR.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Holiday121 on November 02, 2017, 08:36:49 AM
So just the test patterns for hdr? And autocal the other. Kemal 1080p settings?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 02, 2017, 12:33:39 PM
Listen to Javs, he has used the program extensively. I have the spyder5, but I was afraid to use it on a 35K projector, due to questionable accuracy. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 02, 2017, 12:34:26 PM
Listen to Javs, he has used the program extensively. I have the spyder5, but I was afraid to use it on a 35K projector, due to questionable accuracy. I sold my RS600 shortly after buying the meter, so never used it.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Holiday121 on November 02, 2017, 01:18:30 PM
Jav.


When running the autocal on the hdr setting does it recognize that it's for 4k and the wide color? Mind giving me a hand please !!!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 02, 2017, 02:44:58 PM
Jav.

When running the autocal on the hdr setting does it recognize that it's for 4k and the wide color? Mind giving me a hand please !!!

Yes, it knows the ST2084 gamma curve and that you are using bT2020 colour space, so long as they are selected.

No big trickery, just calibrate the same as you would and SDR picture mode.

The Gamma will show as a massive looking 'S' when its done and the BT2020 plot will look something like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/jxS4W0L.png).

Your HDR colour profile will look like this if you chose to use that:

(https://i.imgur.com/cFEY6Ic.png)

I posted the Autocal workflow on AVS a couple days ago, so here it is again:

For GAMMA.

Filter, No filter, High Lamp, Low Lamp, ST.2084, CMD On/Off.

Those are all the modes which carry with them individual gamma calibrations which then apply to any and all combinations of the above.

If you dont use CMD. And you want your entire projector calibrated for a proper gamma baseline, because you want to be very thorough, then you need to calibrate for eg:

I select Gamma ONLY in the Autocal prefs before these steps.

Standard Colour Mode (Or any other factory default colour profile with NO Filter engaged) in Low Lamp and High Lamp. (You need to Select NORMAL Gamma for this). This will fix Gamma baseline for any and ALL picture/colour modes which do not use the filter.

Reference Colour Mode (Or any factory colour profile with Filter) / HDR Mode (X20/X40 Models) in Low Lamp and High lamp. (With the X20 and X40 models, you need to select the ST.2084 Gamma for this, if using the X00 model then NORMAL gamma needs to be selected). Again, this will correct baseline gamma for any and all modes using a colour profile that snaps the filter in place. If you have X20/X40 models, then you should calibrate the HDR mode on that projector with the ST.2084 gamma selected. The X00 models cannot calibrate Gamma D.

If you use CMD, then you need to do each of those again with CMD enabled.

Doing this will yield a baseline gamma correct calibration no matter which user mode of colour profile you use.

So for me, I calibrate Standard Mode Low/High lamp both ONLY iris 0 for Gamma. Then I do HDR Mode (Since I own X20/X40 model) High / Low.

Then since Gamma is done for the whole projector in all modes, I switch Autocal into Colour only mode.

FOR COLOR.

Then go to my User Preset for SDR and colour profile - User 1 / Rec709 colour profile / D6500 Colour temp. Then I calibrate Iris position 0 / 4 / 8 / 12 In both Low Lamp and High Lamp. Then SDR is completely done for the entire projector.

Repeat with my HDR prestet. BT2020 Colour Profile / ST2084 Gamma mode / HDR Colour Temp (X20/X40 Models). Calibrate Iris position 0 / 4 / 8 / 12 In both Low Lamp and High Lamp. Then HDR is completely done for the entire projector.

That is being completely thorough. If you want to save a BUNCH of time, just calibrate the iris positions you wish to use in whatever mode you use. But me, I hate when I go through the iris steps, I see colour temp changes, so I prefer to have the whole projector at least in the same ballpark and all drift will be close to equal in every mode.

Make sense?

Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Holiday121 on November 02, 2017, 02:52:23 PM
I try to stay away from avs now unfortunately it's become somewhat toxic even though there are some amazing people there. Me and zombie use to chat before he even started reviewing projectors!!! Coderguy helped me some as wel!!

Thanks
For posting this I will read read and read again before I try to ask any questions :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 16, 2017, 09:19:33 AM
On the other forum, there has been a lot of talk about the new models being a step backwards.

The lamp, lens and basic light engine is the same between last year and this year. So brightness and contrast are unchanged. Anybody finding large differences have one or more of the following:

1.  Have a setting mismatched between the two.
2.  Have a measurement error, due to procedure or meter.
3.  Have a defective projector.
4.  Have a defective lamp.

I have checked with a trusted person that has compared brightness between a 620 and a 640. The 640 was brighter, but the 620 did have some hours on it, but not many.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Cal68 on November 16, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
A big thank you to Mike Garrett for giving me a great deal on an RS640. I bought one from him today to replace an 8 year old JVC RS20 (yeah, remember them?!). His service and price cannot be beat. I look forward to setting it up and enjoying it after the Thanksgiving break is over. Thanks Mike!

Cal68
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on November 16, 2017, 03:41:22 PM
I think there's some variance in quality between parts at all levels. Even the top of the line model will not all perform exactly the same. There will be some variability between those units too. With that said, I can understand that paying a premium for "top shelf" parts can be disappointing when you don't have perfection in everything, but I think it's misguided to assume every aspect of your projector will be perfect.

As you said though, if something truly isn't working or if you're dissatisfied, return or replace the projector. I don't see anywhere in JVC's literature that says every piece of the projector will be perfect, just a promise that you'll be getting hand selected components representing the top few percentage closest to specification. I remember a few years back they even specified what that percentage represented.

Javs unit was clearly defective and JVC agreed something wasn't right. In his case, the lens shouldn't have had as much focus nonuniformity and hopefully his replacement unit fares better.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 16, 2017, 04:19:58 PM
On the other forum, there has been a lot of talk about the new models being a step backwards.

The lamp, lens and basic light engine is the same between last year and this year. So brightness and contrast are unchanged. Anybody finding large differences have one or more of the following:

1.  Have a setting mismatched between the two.
2.  Have a measurement error, due to procedure or meter.
3.  Have a defective projector.
4.  Have a defective lamp.

I have checked with a trusted person that has compared brightness between a 620 and a 640. The 640 was brighter, but the 620 did have some hours on it, but not many.

Cool, so one sample?

I would like to see measurements.

I know of now a bunch of units stacked in a room that are all dimmer than the last year models, and some of those have pretty high hours on the last year models.

I am open to a massive bad batch of bulbs being the cause, and have said so.

But excuse me when I say if I took measurements, they were done in an identical manner between the two units I have here.

Also, the center of my lens is pretty great actually, I find the outer 3rd of the whole lens to be unacceptable.

Here is a repost of a portion of a recent post I made on AVS, there is good news in here somewhere..

Here is the center quadrant on my lens, I think I posted my bad lens shots earlier in this thread, which are only the sides... but anyway, i have no issue at all with the center portion.

9900 on the LEFT / 9500 on the RIGHT.

(https://i.imgur.com/Bl3i1QW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4lTcW1S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gg6q4xs.jpg)

Pretty  close.  My 9900 would be widely accepted by most  people on this forum if they had no idea what a golden 9500 looked like.

Also regarding my brightness, which was one  of the other major issues I had with my unit, Woofer who has a 9900 right now stacked in his room, also has brightness issues and light meter readings to show it, along with ARROW-AV, Kaoticr1 on AVS, So, actually, it looks  like something is going on here, that's four units we now know of which are dimmer than the 9500 counterparts in a stacked scenario. ODD.

Moving on, I took a couple more pictures this  morning. Namely CMD definitely has an ongoing bug, which also affects  CMD OFF and Low Latency OFF when the projector is first turned on and  probably with some resolution switching, and CMD needs to be Cycled  ON/OFF to remove the bug.

Look just to the right of all the  lettering when CMD is on, there is ghosting, it looks like a green convergence error, but it cannot be, because on the left side of my  9900, is literally the best convergence I have ever seen from a JVC. My  bad convergence is all the way on the other side :)

(https://i.imgur.com/4ehklyd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1G1Ndjf.jpg)

CMD  on the new units introduces artefacts when enabled, and also makes the  image softer. Nigel, I would love if you could look at the very same  image I am looking at, photograph like I have, and we can corroborate  data?

9900 Low Latency OFF / CMD Off / MPC and Clear Black OFF.

(https://i.imgur.com/DMB9uE1.jpg)

9900 Low Latency ON / CMD Off / MPC and Clear Black OFF.

(https://i.imgur.com/U665DXj.jpg)

9900 Low Latency OFF / CMD ON / MPC and Clear Black OFF.

(https://i.imgur.com/O70t3Om.jpg)

Screenshot Roll-Over

Low Latency OFF / CMD ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123359 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123359)

Low Latency OFF / Low Latency ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123360 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123360)

If you look at the above rollover with LL ON, you actually have more complete and rounded letters, and the vertical lines have better  delineation in the spacing between the lines vs OFF. Also the other  annoying thing here is, the CMD bug will manifest every time you use the  projector if you decide to leave LL OFF, the only way to be sure it  never manifests, is if LL is left ON, pick your poison here. If you  forget to cycle CMD and the bug persists your image is going to be far  worse.

9500 Low Latency OFF / CMD Off / MPC and Clear Black OFF.

(https://i.imgur.com/4A9yftx.jpg)

9500  Low Latency ON / CMD Off / MPC and Clear Black OFF. - DONT ever use  this mode in 24p on the 9500. Resolution and detail is completely  killed.

(https://i.imgur.com/dq4p6hE.jpg)

9500  Low Latency OFF / CMD ON / MPC and Clear Black OFF.  - Notice the colour  shift since I never Autocal'd CMD ON - But also notice similar  softening as the 9900 with CMD ON

(https://i.imgur.com/aFdhM7t.jpg)

Screenshot Roll-Over

9500 Low Latency OFF / CMD ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123365 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123365)

9500 Low Latency OFF / Low Latency ON (Horrible performance from the 9500 here)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123364 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123364)

Screenshot Roll-Over 9900 vs 9500

LOW LATENCY OFF vs LOW LATENCY OFF

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123368 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123368)

CMD ON vs CMD ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123367 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123367)

Next  I looked at an up close portion of this image, its from the newest  version of the Masciola Suite, however I looked at this image in normal  SDR Gamma mode to reveal all the detail in the picture and take away any  HDR Gamma differences there may be between the two units:

Original Screen grab frame:

(https://i.imgur.com/tdg7fGQ.jpg)

9500 Projected Image Close Up:

(https://i.imgur.com/29GPKb7.jpg)

Here goes...

9900 vs 9500 MPC ENHANCE OFF / CLEAR BLACK OFF

LOW LATENCY OFF vs LOW LATENCY OFF

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123369 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123369)

LOW LATENCY ON vs LOW LATENCY ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123371 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123371)

CMD ON vs CMD ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123370 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123370)


9900 vs 9500 MPC ENHANCE 2 / CLEAR BLACK LOW


LOW LATENCY OFF vs LOW LATENCY OFF

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123372 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123372)

LOW LATENCY ON vs LOW LATENCY ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123373 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123373)

CMD ON vs CMD ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123374 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123374)

It  looks like when CMD is ON with both units, the 9900 is sharper for  sure. But personally I prefer the 9500 in Low Latency OFF / Vanilla  modes in all the above images of the Indian woman's hand, it actually  appears a little more natural to me. Enhance and Clear Black actually  pretty quickly begin to 'cook' the image in all cases on both projectors  here, I think the image is more filmic and natural with Enhance either  off or on 1, and actually Clear Black off too. The 9900 image definitely  does also appear more natural and filmic, but I had a feeling it was  because they reduced the effectiveness and severity of the MPC controls,  I find with both projectors all enhancements off, both images from both  projectors appear quite natural to look at. Click here  (http://"http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123369")to see what I mean.

I  have 30 hours on this 9900 now... I think I have hit the wall in terms  of comparisons, definitely until I get a new sample, but I don't  honestly expect much to change. Let it be known I am EXTREMELY fussy! It  doesn't help I have a golden sample 9500 here to compare to, what I  call a bad lens is excellently sharp according to others.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 16, 2017, 04:24:41 PM
Here is a repost of my initial findings anway verbatim. You can see the edge of my lens here... But the center as I say is find for comparisons on the new eshift. There sure is slightly more detail in the man on the scooter shot with the box in the background... May as well post all this stuff here too:

Grats!

I hope to have my X9900 in a couple weeks and will be doing an in depth shootout between it and my X9500.

EDIT - I have my unit now, so here are my thoughts all collated... My unit is not a good sample, I will be replacing it and will update my thoughts on that unit, most of this was shot from the center of the screen though so for the most part its still going to be a very relevanty comparison, since both my lenses are sharp in the very center. Its the outer edges I have issues with with regards to this lens.

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I am disappointed overall, and its mainly a gut feeling though, a few things stand out, but it seems to gain a couple steps in one area we give up one or two steps in another area.. I am torn on weather I will keep this projector.

There, got that out of the way.

Here is what my shelf looks like right now...

(https://i.imgur.com/ga2EU39.jpg)


Eshift buzz is definitely reduced since when I first turned it on, it sounded dead set like an electric razor at first, by the end of the night, 4 hours later it was about the same volume as my old unit, unless you put your ear right up to the 9900 and then the frequency was a bit different. No big deal here.

The 5 seconds improve sync time in Low Lag mode is very nice. 11.8s in low lag mode ON, 16.8s Low Lag mode off for a 4k Desktop to appear.

Turns out this lens is not as sharp as my 9500, once I studied all the corners of the lens it was clear it wasn't quite as sharp. My 9500 lens is pretty much pin sharp in all the corners, this 9900 lens appeared to be, but when I had both projectors stacked, they were both super sharp in the center, but the 9900 slightly less so, and was a couple clicks less sharp on the corners and this could not exactly be brought in line with the sharpness of the center. Both of these lenses though are still far out sharper than my X7000 lens ever was, so I would still say both these lenses are excellent and would quality for hand selection for the 9XXX series projectors, its just that my old one is better than the other.

However because the left side has perfect convergence, the pixel delineation appears to be stronger, however the focus grid is sharper on the X9500 in person, no doubt about it..

X9900

(https://i.imgur.com/opZTLIc.jpg)

X9500

(https://i.imgur.com/FTf46OZ.jpg)

The chromatic aberration on the right side of the lens I have come to decide is unacceptable. I think this will be the basis of at least exchanging this unit to try another sample. While the 2/3rds of the left hand side are perfect, I would actually prefer if the panel alignment was out, that it be out by a consistent amount across the whole screen, my last two JVC's were both exactly 1 pixel blur out vertically, which is easy fix, this would require zone alignment and I am not doing that with an MSRP $10k projector.

EShift 5 with text is better than EShift 4, but in real data in video, I am not sure it can be seen at all.

My X9900 is DIMMER than my X9500 is right now at 700 hours. I'll let that sink in for a moment.

I have to run the X9900 on iris -9 and contrast -2 to brightness match the X9500 currently at iris -10 contrast -1. This is a shame, because my X9500 was at least 10% brighter than this when it was new and has dimmed itself since new. So the 9900 starting out where it is, its not looking good here.

There is some ugly super warm colour temp cast over just the menu screen, the X9500 menu screen looks like a correct calibrated almost 18% grey menu, I don't know how else to say that. I did calibrate both grey-scales on the projectors, there still seems to be a slight colour difference on screen however despite very quick cal, the menu doesn't seem to be affected by calibration at all, so that ugly red bias grey menu seems there to stay...

HDMI SYNC TIMES:

When Low Latency mode is on, my projector was syncing in 11.8 seconds for a 4k desktop image to appear, and 16.8 seconds when Low Latency mode is off. Thats also a repeatable 5 seconds quicker than the 9500 was generally. All modes seem to be between 2-3 seconds quicker syncing vs the 9500 when low latency mode is off.


LOW LATENCY MODE: This seems like it needs to be left ON at all times, at least on my unit, its sharper with it, there is some effed up blur ghosting artefact with Low Latency off, yes you read that right, Low Latency needs to be on for sharpest image. Its totally odd but the pics don't lie.


Perhaps my unit is misbehaving? It did come at default switched to On OOTB. EDIT - This has actually be corroborated by other owners, this may be a bug, but for best quality Low Latency must be off, oddly, cycling CMD on then off again removed the ghosting... but how long does that stick for? Perhaps on next power up the ghosting will be back, best to leave it ON.


LOW LATENCY ON:

(https://i.imgur.com/66MZ7Gj.png)

LOW LATENCY OFF:


(https://i.imgur.com/q1gPB27.png)


Low Latency Roll over comparisons On / Off


http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121488 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121488)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121489 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121489)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121490 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121490)

ESHIFT 5 DOES NOT HAVE LESS MOSQUITO NOISE THAN ESHIFT 4. It just doesn't. The fine buzzing noise with your face to the screen is identical on both models. Sorry to see this, it was one of the things I was hoping to see improved, for a calmer image, but no.

Windows Desktop at 4k/ Still not native on either machine but no doubt the 9900 is getting closer to where it should be.

X9500

(https://i.imgur.com/Ri3jn9b.png)

X9900

(https://i.imgur.com/mbpoMfc.png)

Rollover

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121495 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121495)


Now for this, lets look at Eshift 5 vs 4. At first your eyes may be drawn to the vertical lines being far sharper with actual gaps between then on eshift 4 and you would be right, but look at the letters and words... eshift 5 kills it with high density 4k text. But it seems to give up something all the same while doing it... which is a lesser evil? I really don't know, I am truly torn here...


CHROMA TEST


X9500


(https://i.imgur.com/f7dOkVe.jpg)


X9900


(https://i.imgur.com/XtfyswC.jpg)


http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121753 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121753)

Chroma Rollovers:


http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121496 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121496)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121497 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121497)

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I have begun the process of RMAing the projector, hopefully the next sample is better, if its lackluster again, I will either try get a refund or sell it on, if the lens is excellent and convergence is at least consistent, meaning if it required adjustment I can do the whole screen at once, not only one side, then I will keep it.

I did spend a lot of time calibrating, and Autocaling the new unit today and kind of general trouble shooting, I didn't touch the calibration on the old unit, there was a tiny bit of colour shift, but I have slightly kicked the colour in Lightroom around a tiny bit to make these comparisons closer.

Good news is Autocal works great! Arve tool works too, just need to hit ignore a couple times on some errors but works.

Oh the Low Latency shadow wierdness bug for me seems to have gone away, as far as I can see now both Low Latency on and off look the same.

OK pics...

Here is one you can definitely see more fine detail in, again this is text only, but hey its real content as it were!

(https://i.imgur.com/9MofUrY.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121588 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121588)

(https://i.imgur.com/OQIlSjc.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121589 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121589)

(https://i.imgur.com/TZFszWp.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121581 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121581)

(https://i.imgur.com/eMtRb6O.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121583 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121583)

(https://i.imgur.com/f0sKdX7.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121582 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121582)

(https://i.imgur.com/FB0hbrn.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121590 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121590)

(https://i.imgur.com/KciC6in.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121584 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121584)

(https://i.imgur.com/ccC6eXt.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121586 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121586)

(https://i.imgur.com/bnugvOg.jpg)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121587 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121587)

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BT2020 Mode. This is covering pretty much the entire P3 gamut. HDR mode without the filter for added brightness at the cost of coverage...

(https://i.imgur.com/XWJKPSR.png)

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OK here are pics of my lackluster lens and convergence! Yay!!

I literally dont even have to tell you guys which is which!

Left side of screen:

X9500

(https://i.imgur.com/1UTBGLk.jpg)

X9900

(https://i.imgur.com/vZMvN6O.jpg)

Right side of screen:

X9500

(https://i.imgur.com/pUr6pzf.jpg)

X9900

(https://i.imgur.com/ezGCqkq.jpg)


Left side of screen, both projectors at the same time.

(https://i.imgur.com/9n93JRF.jpg)

Convergence, X9900:

(https://i.imgur.com/fB3c8GV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kjX3IiT.jpg)


What happens when I correct the convergence with zone alignment... This is a single 1080p pixel horizontal line pattern, gee this artefact looks SUPER familiar.

X9900

(https://i.imgur.com/LOHMK0S.jpg)


X9500 with normal panel alignment:

(https://i.imgur.com/Ntx0pJ1.jpg)

Obviously the 9900 can show that screen as clear grey too, but if I want panel alignment to be correct, I get artefacts, yay!

Oh and here is real content, top corner of screen:

X9500

(https://i.imgur.com/7QKhwLI.jpg)

X9900

(https://i.imgur.com/WiofHuR.jpg)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on November 16, 2017, 04:35:49 PM
When is JVC AU going to replace your projector ( I'm assuming they are ) ?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 16, 2017, 04:44:57 PM

There is no question which one of these has proper font kerning and spacing. More complete lettering etc...

Ground truth, original photo:

(https://i.imgur.com/08gZFUQ.jpg)

Original photo enlarged to same scale in Photoshop:

(https://i.imgur.com/xjSdNqw.jpg)

Which is which?

Projectors:

(https://i.imgur.com/BAXurwb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DUsJDGl.jpg)


Full Image 9500 vs 9900

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/122001 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/122001)


Blow up 1:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/122002 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/122002)

Blow up 2

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/122003 (http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/122003)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 16, 2017, 04:46:02 PM
When is JVC AU going to replace your projector ( I'm assuming they are ) ?

I just got off the phone to them, they are going to have it picked up on Monday finally and sent to a service agent to generate a report...

But now I worry they are even going to notice the lens issues since they don't have a known good lens to compare it to. Regardless, its the process I must follow.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on November 16, 2017, 04:47:53 PM
Hey Javs,

When I stare for a few moments at the "normal" grey pattern shot you posted of your X9500, it looks very good but I see small hints of pink in it?  I also see small hints of pink in the tan-brown paper screen shot comparison.  My RS440 looks like that too (non-calibrated right now).  This appears to be just normal for D-ILA/LCoS although certainly better than Epson and Sony.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 16, 2017, 05:47:53 PM
Hey Javs,

When I stare for a few moments at the "normal" grey pattern shot you posted of your X9500, it looks very good but I see small hints of pink in it?  I also see small hints of pink in the tan-brown paper screen shot comparison.  My RS440 looks like that too (non-calibrated right now).  This appears to be just normal for D-ILA/LCoS although certainly better than Epson and Sony.

Thats actually a single pixel line pattern in 1080p, its a torture test. Its the reason there is blotching since panel alignment directly affects it, and highlights how much of a bad idea it is to use Zone correction.

Grey fields on both projectors look absolutely excellent as epected with no perceivable colour shift at all.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: TWISM on November 16, 2017, 07:11:30 PM
Javs,

I will have another 640 to test sometime next week and will report back. This is kaotikr1 from the other forum, and I along with you have what appears to be a low performing 640 in regards to brightness.

Mike,

When you talk about a projector being defective in regards to low light output what would you contribute that to? What would cause that?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 16, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
Javs,

I will have another 640 to test sometime next week and will report back. This is kaotikr1 from the other forum, and I along with you have what appears to be a low performing 640 in regards to brightness.

Mike,

When you talk about a projector being defective in regards to low light output what would you contribute that to? What would cause that?

Personally I am still hopeful its a batch of bulbs...
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 17, 2017, 05:08:44 AM
Javs,

I will have another 640 to test sometime next week and will report back. This is kaotikr1 from the other forum, and I along with you have what appears to be a low performing 640 in regards to brightness.

Mike,

When you talk about a projector being defective in regards to low light output what would you contribute that to? What would cause that?

Any number of reasons, but I don't think it is the projector design. Because if it was, then all of them would be low and that does not look to be the case.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: TWISM on November 17, 2017, 06:57:25 AM
Any number of reasons, but I don't think it is the projector design. Because if it was, then all of them would be low and that does not look to be the case.

Someone posted they swapped a bulb from another model over and it still measured lower, which I would think took the bulb out of the equation.

Have you spoken to Chris at JVC about this yet?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on November 17, 2017, 08:52:43 AM
Someone posted they swapped a bulb from another model over and it still measured lower, which I would think took the bulb out of the equation.

Have you spoken to Chris at JVC about this yet?

We can neither confirm nor deny who we speak to at JVC, but we've been told there should be zero difference lumen wise from last years models. Really, since the basic chip and light engine design hasn't changed since the RS400 / 500 / 600  ( they just measured higher than spec'd so they changed the specs for the RS_20 series ) there should be no difference - other than unit to unit variation.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: TWISM on November 17, 2017, 09:03:26 AM
We can neither confirm nor deny who we speak to at JVC, but we've been told there should be zero difference lumen wise from last years models. Really, since the basic chip and light engine design hasn't changed since the RS400 / 500 / 600  ( they just measured higher than spec'd so they changed the specs for the RS_20 series ) there should be no difference - other than unit to unit variation.

I get it, just like with "CMD" early on there was "no issue" and people had to push and post screenshots and data, then all of a sudden there was an issue, and one that requires a fix.

I get that some of us are a bit different as we actual might take the time to validate manufactures claims, measure them, compare notes, etc... It just seems like something is off, or the handful of us that have measured are just unlucky as all are coming across units that measure quite poor to the previous year models.

I can live with less than spec, what is hard for me to swallow is when people post they are getting 1200 lumens calibrated on low lamp, and I can't hit 1100 on high. Hopefully as a fellow enthusiast you can understand the concern.

Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: woofer on November 17, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
Someone posted they swapped a bulb from another model over and it still measured lower, which I would think took the bulb out of the equation.

Have you spoken to Chris at JVC about this yet?

That would be me.. :)    Bulb was from an X7500 with zero hours on it.. this was swapped to the X9900. The bulb read very close ( slightly higher and i mean slightly) to the original from the X9900 .
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on November 17, 2017, 01:06:32 PM
I get it, just like with "CMD" early on there was "no issue" and people had to push and post screenshots and data, then all of a sudden there was an issue, and one that requires a fix.

I get that some of us are a bit different as we actual might take the time to validate manufactures claims, measure them, compare notes, etc... It just seems like something is off, or the handful of us that have measured are just unlucky as all are coming across units that measure quite poor to the previous year models.

I can live with less than spec, what is hard for me to swallow is when people post they are getting 1200 lumens calibrated on low lamp, and I can't hit 1100 on high. Hopefully as a fellow enthusiast you can understand the concern.

That I do. It's perplexing.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 17, 2017, 04:03:06 PM
Any number of reasons, but I don't think it is the projector design. Because if it was, then all of them would be low and that does not look to be the case.

Mike, this friend of yours, is his 640 from a later production run?

Mine and a few others seem to be one of the early runs...

I also noticed when I ran Autocal, I was GAINING a few % light output each iris step I calibrated colour temp on, now my LUX readings are already reflecting that, but it was interesting. Its possible the first run maybe had terrible colour temp calibrations from factory. Pull too much red and you need to shift green and blue WAY down to match.

For eg, Red would read 120nits off the screen, green 158 and blue 147, then by the time you pull down green and blue, red also comes down a a bit with it, and you end up nearer 107 nits or so for eg.

Its always Red which is lowest in light output. I also notice on my 9900 the OSD menu itself is VERY warm colour temp, I mean it looks almost like 4500k for eg, my 9500 menu looks like 7500K. this is the menu itself, and no matter what calibration, settings, adjustments are done, this menu is always the exact same colour temp... Its odd.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 18, 2017, 05:36:01 PM
I get it, just like with "CMD" early on there was "no issue" and people had to push and post screenshots and data, then all of a sudden there was an issue, and one that requires a fix.

I get that some of us are a bit different as we actual might take the time to validate manufactures claims, measure them, compare notes, etc... It just seems like something is off, or the handful of us that have measured are just unlucky as all are coming across units that measure quite poor to the previous year models.

I can live with less than spec, what is hard for me to swallow is when people post they are getting 1200 lumens calibrated on low lamp, and I can't hit 1100 on high. Hopefully as a fellow enthusiast you can understand the concern.

Nobody ever said there was no banding on the JVC. Everybody, including JVC admitted it was there. Only thing was ever questioned was just how big of an issue it actually was. Some people made it out to be a mountain for everybody, when for most, it was a mole hill or non issue. But that was only because Most did not use CMD. For those that did use CMD, it was a big issue for many of them.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 18, 2017, 05:38:42 PM
Mike, this friend of yours, is his 640 from a later production run?

Mine and a few others seem to be one of the early runs...

I also noticed when I ran Autocal, I was GAINING a few % light output each iris step I calibrated colour temp on, now my LUX readings are already reflecting that, but it was interesting. Its possible the first run maybe had terrible colour temp calibrations from factory. Pull too much red and you need to shift green and blue WAY down to match.

For eg, Red would read 120nits off the screen, green 158 and blue 147, then by the time you pull down green and blue, red also comes down a a bit with it, and you end up nearer 107 nits or so for eg.

Its always Red which is lowest in light output. I also notice on my 9900 the OSD menu itself is VERY warm colour temp, I mean it looks almost like 4500k for eg, my 9500 menu looks like 7500K. this is the menu itself, and no matter what calibration, settings, adjustments are done, this menu is always the exact same colour temp... Its odd.

I do not know. Will see if I can find out.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 18, 2017, 05:48:43 PM
Cool, so one sample?

I would like to see measurements.

I know of now a bunch of units stacked in a room that are all dimmer than the last year models, and some of those have pretty high hours on the last year models.

I am open to a massive bad batch of bulbs being the cause, and have said so.

But excuse me when I say if I took measurements, they were done in an identical manner between the two units I have here.

Also, the center of my lens is pretty great actually, I find the outer 3rd of the whole lens to be unacceptable.

Here is a repost of a portion of a recent post I made on AVS, there is good news in here somewhere..

Here is the center quadrant on my lens, I think I posted my bad lens shots earlier in this thread, which are only the sides... but anyway, i have no issue at all with the center portion.

9900 on the LEFT / 9500 on the RIGHT.



Pretty  close.  My 9900 would be widely accepted by most  people on this forum if they had no idea what a golden 9500 looked like.

Also regarding my brightness, which was one  of the other major issues I had with my unit, Woofer who has a 9900 right now stacked in his room, also has brightness issues and light meter readings to show it, along with ARROW-AV, Kaoticr1 on AVS, So, actually, it looks  like something is going on here, that's four units we now know of which are dimmer than the 9500 counterparts in a stacked scenario. ODD.

Moving on, I took a couple more pictures this  morning. Namely CMD definitely has an ongoing bug, which also affects  CMD OFF and Low Latency OFF when the projector is first turned on and  probably with some resolution switching, and CMD needs to be Cycled  ON/OFF to remove the bug.

Look just to the right of all the  lettering when CMD is on, there is ghosting, it looks like a green convergence error, but it cannot be, because on the left side of my  9900, is literally the best convergence I have ever seen from a JVC. My  bad convergence is all the way on the other side :)


CMD  on the new units introduces artefacts when enabled, and also makes the  image softer. Nigel, I would love if you could look at the very same  image I am looking at, photograph like I have, and we can corroborate  data?


I  have 30 hours on this 9900 now... I think I have hit the wall in terms  of comparisons, definitely until I get a new sample, but I don't  honestly expect much to change. Let it be known I am EXTREMELY fussy! It  doesn't help I have a golden sample 9500 here to compare to, what I  call a bad lens is excellently sharp according to others.

I deleted the pictures, so the response would not be so huge. I sent CMD info to JVC and they have verified and passed it on, but They did say they can only see it on the text of the menu and only when up close to the screen. Said they could not see it from viewing distance.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on November 19, 2017, 09:09:19 AM
Is there a bug with Low Latency set to Off?  On my RS440, I see sometimes a weird soap opera motion effect with it Off.  Seems better turned On.  But I notice by default it's on so maybe it's supposed to be?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 19, 2017, 12:52:06 PM
I deleted the pictures, so the response would not be so huge. I sent CMD info to JVC and they have verified and passed it on, but They did say they can only see it on the text of the menu and only when up close to the screen. Said they could not see it from viewing distance.

Hey Mike,

It is there on content, harder to see than the very obvious menu since the text on yellow background makes it stand out, but the first place I noticed it was my HTPC desktop after I saw it in the menu, then I noticed it on all my chroma tests.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121490

You can see here it makes the lettering take on a ghosting smearing effect.

This is when I turned ON CMD back when i didnt know what was causing it. Same thing though.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123359

Here is when the bug is present and I am just toggling Low Latency on and off.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121489

And here is my HTPC desktop.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/121488

Check out the blue swirls on the scarf, also look at the right side edge of her thumb, there is ghosting with CMD On, kinda looks like ringing in the image, not there with Low Latency ON (Meaning bug is definitely not present), and when CMD is cycled On/Off.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123839

The odd thing is this is here on the 9500 too!

Its 1000% tied to a CMD bug on both projectors, its similar to CMD activation bug, but CMD is NOT functioning in motion when the bug is present, it just presents artefacts for some reason. I have to cycle CMD on/off on both the 9500 and 9900 to get rid of it.

Also, once its gone, if I go into the PJ focus or panel alignment menu, and back out again, the bug is back!

So, every time I power on the unit now, I need to cycle CMD.

And yes I can see this from the chair in the case of my HTPC menu since its pretty clear when artefacts show up there, text takes on a slight ghosting effect which resembles bad panel alignment, its surely robbing both the 9900 and 9500 of some sharpness when the bug is present.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Javs on November 19, 2017, 12:55:57 PM
Is there a bug with Low Latency set to Off?  On my RS440, I see sometimes a weird soap opera motion effect with it Off.  Seems better turned On.  But I notice by default it's on so maybe it's supposed to be?

Yes there is still a CMD bug. I havent actually noticed CMD functioning in motion when the bug is present, but read my post above, it outlines that right now the safest way to never have the bug show up is leave Low Latency On.

There is however a really tiny sharpness hit with LL on.

This comparison is most definitely NOT with the CMD bug present, so you can see the real difference between Low Latency OFF/ON, very very slight sharpness hit.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123360

Then consider this, you would be mad to ever use CMD with what it does to the sharpness!

Low Latency OFF (No bug) vs CMD ON

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/123359
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on November 28, 2017, 08:08:14 PM
I don't use CMD at all - off 100% of the time.

In my case, is it best to just leave Low Latency On?  It's weird as I don't see the soap opera effect with Low Latency turned Off all of the time - just sometimes.

Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on November 29, 2017, 08:34:09 AM
I don't use CMD at all - off 100% of the time.

In my case, is it best to just leave Low Latency On?  It's weird as I don't see the soap opera effect with Low Latency turned Off all of the time - just sometimes.

I would turn low latency on. Since you are not interested in CMD, no reason not to use low latency mode.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: mrtvgame on November 30, 2017, 10:38:16 AM
Current set up:
Epson 5030UB on 115 " 16x9 2.4 gain screen

Large family room with plenty ambient light from 2 windows facing West and room opens into kitchen which has large sliding doors also facing West. Windows and doors have blackening curtains and/or blinds when needed. Most viewing is done in the evenings.

Primary usage:
4k TV
4k streaming
HD streaming
UHD 4K bluray
Xbox One X & PS4 Pro gaming

Was looking at the Sony 285 but when it receives a 2160p 60p HDR signal with 10-bit color depth, it will internally process that signal as an 8-bit signal, which will result in visible banding on some material.  I want to avoid that with the JVCs.

I'm in Canada/North America so the model numbers tend to confuse.

Looking at either last years DLA-X770 (RS520 in Europe/UK?). Or this years' DLA-X590 (X5900 in Europe/UK?). The price difference between the two for me is currently at $1250.00

This year's version DLA-X790 is out of my price range.

Is it worth the extra cost to go with last year's X770 versus this year's X590 for my setup/usage?

Not sure between these two and the cost difference.

Any input would be appreciated!

Mike
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on November 30, 2017, 02:31:26 PM
Current set up:
Epson 5030UB on 115 " 16x9 2.4 gain screen

Large family room with plenty ambient light from 2 windows facing West and room opens into kitchen which has large sliding doors also facing West. Windows and doors have blackening curtains and/or blinds when needed. Most viewing is done in the evenings.

Primary usage:
4k TV
4k streaming
HD streaming
UHD 4K bluray
Xbox One X & PS4 Pro gaming

Was looking at the Sony 285 but when it receives a 2160p 60p HDR signal with 10-bit color depth, it will internally process that signal as an 8-bit signal, which will result in visible banding on some material.  I want to avoid that with the JVCs.

I'm in Canada/North America so the model numbers tend to confuse.

Looking at either last years DLA-X770 (RS520 in Europe/UK?). Or this years' DLA-X590 (X5900 in Europe/UK?). The price difference between the two for me is currently at $1250.00

This year's version DLA-X790 is out of my price range.

Is it worth the extra cost to go with last year's X770 versus this year's X590 for my setup/usage?

Not sure between these two and the cost difference.

Any input would be appreciated!

Mike

Pretty hard to beat the RS520 right now for the price. By the way, the X line is the consumer line, and the RS line is the " professional " line. Same projectors, different markets.

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO6.1
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: mrtvgame on November 30, 2017, 03:23:49 PM
Pretty hard to beat the RS520 right now for the price. By the way, the X line is the consumer line, and the RS line is the " professional " line. Same projectors, different markets.

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/category.jsp?productId=PRO6.1

Thanks for the input.  Was getting excited about an RS520/X770 when now I am reading about CMD Vertical Banding issue and Fix Update.  Specifically, the current Low Latency issue shows extreme ghosting when using Eshift and Low Latency the same time. So basically Low Latency is unusable/broken for all 4K content/games.
 Like honestly, WTH is wrong with these companies.  At these price points, Sony should not have released the 285 unable to do 10-bit HDR properly and now JVC has issues.  For the money I am about to drop, I need to be able to use this gaming on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro without any hassles. 

From your end, is there going to be a proper fix for the JVCs or shall I wait until next year. lol.  Was hoping to take advantage of closeout pricing on the RS520/X770 now.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on November 30, 2017, 03:57:47 PM
Thanks for the input.  Was getting excited about an RS520/X770 when now I am reading about CMD Vertical Banding issue and Fix Update.  Specifically, the current Low Latency issue shows extreme ghosting when using Eshift and Low Latency the same time. So basically Low Latency is unusable/broken for all 4K content/games.
 Like honestly, WTH is wrong with these companies.  At these price points, Sony should not have released the 285 unable to do 10-bit HDR properly and now JVC has issues.  For the money I am about to drop, I need to be able to use this gaming on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro without any hassles. 

From your end, is there going to be a proper fix for the JVCs or shall I wait until next year. lol.  Was hoping to take advantage of closeout pricing on the RS520/X770 now.

I'm not sure why you would need / want to use low latency with 4K Blu-rays / movies, so I don't know if that makes much difference to non gamers. But if you are a gamer that would be important. I'll see what JVC has to say - maybe there is another firmware fix in the works.

Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: mrtvgame on December 01, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
I'm not sure why you would need / want to use low latency with 4K Blu-rays / movies, so I don't know if that makes much difference to non gamers. But if you are a gamer that would be important. I'll see what JVC has to say - maybe there is another firmware fix in the works.

No I would only need/want it when playing games and thus the reason I am shying away from the Sony 285, because it is taking 10 bit material and processing as 8-bit.

There is a conversation going on over here that you may want to take a look at.  Appear some different combinations of firmware etc. have it while others don't.  I do not want to have this thing installed on my ceiling only to have to take it down and ship off.  Apparently JVC Canada is very aware but other regions discounting any issue (i.e. Australia).

So it sounds as if the CMD issue was fixed with firmware but in turn it affected the low latency mode.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/2798825-discussion-jvc-cmd-vertical-banding-issue-fix-update-10-17-a.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-digital-hi-end-projectors-3-000-usd-msrp/2798825-discussion-jvc-cmd-vertical-banding-issue-fix-update-10-17-a.html)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on December 01, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
Thanks for the input.  Was getting excited about an RS520/X770 when now I am reading about CMD Vertical Banding issue and Fix Update.  Specifically, the current Low Latency issue shows extreme ghosting when using Eshift and Low Latency the same time. So basically Low Latency is unusable/broken for all 4K content/games.
 Like honestly, WTH is wrong with these companies.  At these price points, Sony should not have released the 285 unable to do 10-bit HDR properly and now JVC has issues.  For the money I am about to drop, I need to be able to use this gaming on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro without any hassles. 

From your end, is there going to be a proper fix for the JVCs or shall I wait until next year. lol.  Was hoping to take advantage of closeout pricing on the RS520/X770 now.

The RS540 and 640 do not have any problem. I tested the low lag with E-shift last night.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: mrtvgame on December 01, 2017, 05:29:44 PM
The RS540 and 640 do not have any problem. I tested the low lag with E-shift last night.

Well yeah and the RS540 is another $800 plus tax where I am.  We pay 13% tax! So it is out of my range.  I really need the X770/RS520 to perform as it should. lol.  Maybe it is a sign I need to wait as hard as that may be. sigh.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on December 02, 2017, 05:42:04 AM
Well yeah and the RS540 is another $800 plus tax where I am.  We pay 13% tax! So it is out of my range.  I really need the X770/RS520 to perform as it should. lol.  Maybe it is a sign I need to wait as hard as that may be. sigh.

I am pretty sure this will be resolved.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on December 15, 2017, 04:07:56 PM
I've had an RS640 to play with for a couple of days. Nice projector. Reminds me a lot of my RS600, but with automatic HDR ( and better HDR ). A few screen shots - just a few settings adjusted, but really out of the box, since it was just a loaner and not mine to calibrate -

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25188875_10214840420105095_2615930536619993491_o.jpg?oh=e5455d869bd2fbd86a013a9550332ab5&oe=5ABF9E5A)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25394695_10214869520992599_4971711194096575908_o.jpg?oh=d0da266a2a586b08bac204a325e48875&oe=5ABC396F)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25394766_10214869523112652_1941412015844258853_o.jpg?oh=52e9b7b2afaa2f353576531fec7c813b&oe=5AB7A795)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25358527_10214869524792694_5692664331026895162_o.jpg?oh=ec52ab58f4f94702cebb29369e290d40&oe=5AB59EC7)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25358313_10214869525712717_1638983718180340973_o.jpg?oh=4c500694c34fe308ce0b6df60f09ad9b&oe=5A8C3592)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: glabelle on December 15, 2017, 05:27:26 PM
I've had an RS640 to play with for a couple of days. Nice projector. Reminds me a lot of my RS600, but with automatic HDR ( and better HDR ). A few screen shots - just a few settings adjusted, but really out of the box, since it was just a loaner and not mine to calibrate -



   Got mine on Wed. (thanks, Mike!) OOTB looks great. Watched 7th season of GOT, with a lot of dark scenes. Coming from a Samsung SP-a800b DLP, I never knew what blacks were :) The blacks seemed crushed even, when I get more hours on it I'll dig into calibrating. For now, just enjoying the "pop".
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on December 15, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
   Got mine on Wed. (thanks, Mike!) OOTB looks great. Watched 7th season of GOT, with a lot of dark scenes. Coming from a Samsung SP-a800b DLP, I never knew what blacks were :) The blacks seemed crushed even, when I get more hours on it I'll dig into calibrating. For now, just enjoying the "pop".

Yeah, I played with a 640 in my room for a week. Hard to believe the image it throws for the money.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on December 16, 2017, 09:35:19 AM
So I had a chance to measure the RS640 I had here. Lumen wise it measured close to the same as the RS600 I owned - 400 lux / 1650 lumens on high lamp. Settings were user 1, standard color profile, 6500K, gamma 2.4. Call it " out of the box but dialed in to be very watch-able ". Clear Black off, manual iris open, auto iris off. Low lamp was 292 lux / 1160 lumens or so. Again, pretty close to what my RS600 measured 2 years ago ( I like to keep notes ! ). 120" diagonal screen, absolute minimum throw distance. I'm sure " High Bright " would measure closer to 2000 lumens, but I don't watch things that way.

For what it's worth, a calibrator I had here recently mentioned that the current generation of lamps are holding up very well brightness wise too. 
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: glabelle on December 16, 2017, 03:46:24 PM
So I had a chance to measure the RS640 I had here. Lumen wise it measured close to the same as the RS600 I owned - 400 lux / 1650 lumens on high lamp. Settings were user 1, standard color profile, 6500K, gamma 2.4. Call it " out of the box but dialed in to be very watch-able ". Clear Black off, manual iris open, auto iris off. Low lamp was 292 lux / 1160 lumens or so. Again, pretty close to what my RS600 measured 2 years ago ( I like to keep notes ! ). 120" diagonal screen, absolute minimum throw distance. I'm sure " High Bright " would measure closer to 2000 lumens, but I don't watch things that way.

For what it's worth, a calibrator I had here recently mentioned that the current generation of lamps are holding up very well brightness wise too.

  Craig, I have a 16:9 120"d screen. My throw is currently 16' 7". Realizing the online cal. is not accurate, but just for comparison purposes, it says I would get 22 fl. at this throw. If I moved the PJ up to minimum throw (~12') I would get 25 fl. That's a 13% increase. I would not prefer to do that, since it puts it right over my head (and the noise is noticible in "high lamp" mode). Would it be worth it to do anyway? What gain, even in HDR, is 13% in fl?

Thanks, George
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on December 17, 2017, 07:35:50 AM
Hoping Chad B will make it out early to mid Jan for my RS440.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on December 17, 2017, 09:16:48 AM
  Craig, I have a 16:9 120"d screen. My throw is currently 16' 7". Realizing the online cal. is not accurate, but just for comparison purposes, it says I would get 22 fl. at this throw. If I moved the PJ up to minimum throw (~12') I would get 25 fl. That's a 13% increase. I would not prefer to do that, since it puts it right over my head (and the noise is noticible in "high lamp" mode). Would it be worth it to do anyway? What gain, even in HDR, is 13% in fl?

Thanks, George

13% isn't worth re-installing it where you will hate having it. Better to get someone like Chad B to calibrate it and get better color and brightness. And you're right - those on line calculators are no good for lumens - only throw distance. 

Or, get a larger brighter screen - that would be better ( if possible ) than placing it over your head !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: glabelle on December 17, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
13% isn't worth re-installing it where you will hate having it. Better to get someone like Chad B to calibrate it and get better color and brightness. And you're right - those on line calculators are no good for lumens - only throw distance. 

Or, get a larger brighter screen - that would be better ( if possible ) than placing it over your head !

   Well, I'd like to calibrate it myself. I have an i1 Display Pro, I was hoping to use with ChromaPure or the JVC software, or just install some of these custom curves floating around.

   I just got this 120" Silver Ticket woven AT screen, with supposedly 1.1 gain. It seems bright enough at first glance, but then I only have about 10hrs. with the PJ. Coming from a Stewart 130, 100" screen (I wanted bigger ;-). I kept the Stewart, but it seemed for 4K the perforations might show - however that might be the best way to get brighter without buying another screen. But after having a 120" for a while, not sure I could go back to 100 :)

  I'm in Central Oregon (Bend area). Don't know of any local calibrators outside of Portland - 170 miles away!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on December 17, 2017, 06:03:19 PM
   Well, I'd like to calibrate it myself. I have an i1 Display Pro, I was hoping to use with ChromaPure or the JVC software, or just install some of these custom curves floating around.

   I just got this 120" Silver Ticket woven AT screen, with supposedly 1.1 gain. It seems bright enough at first glance, but then I only have about 10hrs. with the PJ. Coming from a Stewart 130, 100" screen (I wanted bigger ;-). I kept the Stewart, but it seemed for 4K the perforations might show - however that might be the best way to get brighter without buying another screen. But after having a 120" for a while, not sure I could go back to 100 :)

  I'm in Central Oregon (Bend area). Don't know of any local calibrators outside of Portland - 170 miles away!

If it was much trouble or if you think noise is going to be an issue, with it mounted closer, I would leave it where is is. A ST130 AT screen would increase your brightness, because I doubt the Silver Ticket is above 1.0 gain. If you are closer than 12', then you will probably see the microperf.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: jbn008 on December 22, 2017, 04:53:24 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned several times, but is there a simple consensus as to what 3d emitter and glasses to get (best bang for the buck)? 

JVC PKEM2G w/ their glasses or 3rd party (Xpand)?

I've had the RS400, RS420, and now the RS520, but never got around to messing with 3d.

Thank you
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on December 23, 2017, 09:40:32 AM
I apologize if this has been mentioned several times, but is there a simple consensus as to what 3d emitter and glasses to get (best bang for the buck)? 

JVC PKEM2G w/ their glasses or 3rd party (Xpand)?

I've had the RS400, RS420, and now the RS520, but never got around to messing with 3d.

Thank you

You have to get the JVC 3D emitter,* but Xpand 3D glasses do work, along with the JVC 3D glasses.
* Correction - the Xpand emitter works too. Totally spaced that one this morning.  :-X
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DLCPhoto on December 23, 2017, 11:05:24 AM
You have to get the JVC 3D emitter, but Xpand 3D glasses do work, along with the JVC 3D glasses.

Is this a change with the x40 line of projectors?  I and many others are successfully using the much cheaper Xpand 3D emitter, as well as their glasses, with previous x00 and x20 lines.  Has this changed?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on December 23, 2017, 11:37:20 AM
Is this a change with the x40 line of projectors?  I and many others are successfully using the much cheaper Xpand 3D emitter, as well as their glasses, with previous x00 and x20 lines.  Has this changed?

Actually you are correct - either one will work. I'll revise that pre - 2 cups of coffee comment.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: jbn008 on December 23, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
Actually you are correct - either one will work. I'll revise that pre - 2 cups of coffee comment.

Thank you all for the help!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on January 02, 2018, 11:15:04 AM
Closeout pricing on RS420, 520 and 620 projectors. Call for details. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on January 30, 2018, 01:14:32 PM
Received my RS640 yesterday and have been playing around with setup options. I use an A-lens, so that makes setup a little more difficult. Not the actual setup of the lens, but the processing. The 4500 I had could do vertical stretch of 4K content at 60P, which is what Roku sends out. When setting the output of the Roku to native, then movies are 24P and the 640 can do the vertical stretch. Only problem, the sync delay is extremely long on the 640, when I set the output of the Roku to 4K and native. I don't think all of it is the JVC, I think the AV7703 is also adding to the time.

So to get around this, I changed up the wiring and programing on my system. I have the Roku connected to my Oppo 203 and am using the Oppo to do the vertical stretch for 4K 60P content. This way the sync delay is reduced and it allows me to use the Oppo processing on the Roku signal. Still able to do the programing so that it is only one button push to change back and forth. So pretty happy with the results, now. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: petexian on January 30, 2018, 03:41:08 PM
Received my RS640 yesterday and have been playing around with setup options. I use an A-lens, so that makes setup a little more difficult. Not the actual setup of the lens, but the processing. The 4500 I had could do vertical stretch of 4K content at 60P, which is what Roku sends out. When setting the output of the Roku to native, then movies are 24P and the 640 can do the vertical stretch. Only problem, the sync delay is extremely long on the 640, when I set the output of the Roku to 4K and native. I don't think all of it is the JVC, I think the AV7703 is also adding to the time.

So to get around this, I changed up the wiring and programing on my system. I have the Roku connected to my Oppo 203 and am using the Oppo to do the vertical stretch for 4K 60P content. This way the sync delay is reduced and it allows me to use the Oppo processing on the Roku signal. Still able to do the programing so that it is only one button push to change back and forth. So pretty happy with the results, now. :)

Thanks Mike.. I need to give this a try.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: jbn008 on January 30, 2018, 05:37:47 PM
Mike,
Have you been able to play with the latest beta release from Oppo?  Apparently, its' ability to play 4k SDR with bt2020 has been greatly improved (to the point that many users are using the HDMI input to to the same with their streaming devices).
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on January 30, 2018, 06:48:34 PM
Mike,
Have you been able to play with the latest beta release from Oppo?  Apparently, its' ability to play 4k SDR with bt2020 has been greatly improved (to the point that many users are using the HDMI input to to the same with their streaming devices).

A little bit, but have only had the 640 for one evening and spent most of it getting it all working how I wanted it. Will pay with this more over the weekend.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: jbn008 on January 31, 2018, 04:43:06 PM
10-4.  Please let me know what you think after you have more time with it.  I'm very close to purchasing the Oppo, but I hate to drop that much money if it's just going to give me similar results (though I'm sure a little better) to my X800.

I have the RS520 and the prospect of getting a good 4K bt2020 SDR image (especially being able to use the HDMI input with an Apple TV or Shield) has me very interested for sure.

Thanks Mike
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on January 31, 2018, 09:16:07 PM
10-4.  Please let me know what you think after you have more time with it.  I'm very close to purchasing the Oppo, but I hate to drop that much money if it's just going to give me similar results (though I'm sure a little better) to my X800.

I have the RS520 and the prospect of getting a good 4K bt2020 SDR image (especially being able to use the HDMI input with an Apple TV or Shield) has me very interested for sure.

Thanks Mike

Give me a call in the morning and we can talk about it.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: jbn008 on February 01, 2018, 04:36:01 PM
Give me a call in the morning and we can talk about it.

Thank you Mike, just saw your reply.  I'll give you a call tomorrow if that's still ok?  Thanks
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 01, 2018, 07:37:47 PM
Thank you Mike, just saw your reply.  I'll give you a call tomorrow if that's still ok?  Thanks

Yes.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 04, 2018, 06:51:40 AM
Have any of you checked out the HDR on the Netflix series Altered Carbon? Lots of pop to it. At least there is with the Oppo 203 tone mapping.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 08, 2018, 06:13:26 AM
The LTD20 should be released here in the US by the end of this month. Only three total coming to the US and only 20 world wide. This will truly be a limited edition unit.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: rob-houston on February 08, 2018, 09:07:41 AM
The LTD20 should be released here in the US by the end of this month. Only three total coming to the US and only 20 world wide. This will truly be a limited edition unit.

CAN I get one in BLACK?  ;)   ::)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on February 08, 2018, 09:09:47 AM
CAN I get one in BLACK?  ;)   ::)

It's supposed to match your car -

(https://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/media/assets/submodel/8119.jpg)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 08, 2018, 09:10:05 AM
CAN I get one in BLACK?  ;)   ::)

Nope but you can get one of three in red. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 08, 2018, 09:11:09 AM
It's supposed to match your car -

(https://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/media/assets/submodel/8119.jpg)

My truck is black. I definitely do not want it to match my wife's vehicle. Hers is white. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on February 08, 2018, 01:06:39 PM
I'm surprised the three aren't already accounted for with preorders.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on February 08, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
I'm surprised the three aren't already accounted for with preorders.

They've been like unicorns so far - only rumored to exist !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 20, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Not anymore. Two LTD20's are on their way to us. :)

Added
They have arrived. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on February 21, 2018, 10:21:38 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: woofer on February 22, 2018, 03:18:13 AM
Poor old box at the top looks a little worse for wear!  :o    Hope the internal contents held up OK.. :-\
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on February 22, 2018, 09:52:28 AM
Poor old box at the top looks a little worse for wear!  :o    Hope the internal contents held up OK.. :-\

Bet the styrofoam is cracked !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 22, 2018, 01:14:24 PM
March first bundle promo for RS540/640 with any Cima screen. Call for details. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on March 01, 2018, 11:28:42 AM
Information regarding the Red projectors. The US models of special anniversary editions have been inspected and gone over by JVC USA with a fine tooth comb. JVC USA wanted to make sure these models were perfect.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: woofer on March 01, 2018, 12:17:00 PM
JVC USA wanted to make sure these models were perfect.

And are they ?  :D     
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on March 02, 2018, 06:24:25 AM
And are they ?  :D     

Only way we could confirm that is to open and use it. Then we would be selling an open box. Probably not a good idea on a limited edition.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on March 02, 2018, 08:49:20 AM
And are they ?  :D     

We can help you find out - we take all major credit cards except Diners Club !  ;D
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: afss on March 07, 2018, 08:26:40 AM
Hi everybody,

I have an RS540 that I purchased from AVScience and I have a Spyder 5 on its way in order to run Autocal. I am familiar with the Autocal process as I owned an RS4910 and have done it several times.

Please, wanted to ask you a couple questions:
- For THX mode any special advice ?
- For HDR, are there any special tricks for Autocal, or just select the HDR mode and run ?
- I have loaded some custom HDR curves (using the Arve tool) - any concerns on running Autocal for those ?

Thanks in advance for your help and advice !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on March 07, 2018, 10:57:14 AM
Have you looked at the Autocal thread on AVSF? everything is discussed there. As for HDR, use the BT2020 color profile if your screen size/gain allows it. You run autocal for SDR.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: afss on March 07, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
Have you looked at the Autocal thread on AVSF? everything is discussed there. As for HDR, use the BT2020 color profile if your screen size/gain allows it. You run autocal for SDR.

Thanks for the reply Mike.

Regards.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 07, 2018, 11:46:12 AM
As a precaution I would backup the profiles the RS540 already has before you run the auto-cal process. One of the issues with the Auto-Cal feature is that the compatible meters list is small and the more common meters people use are often not particularly accurate. I think someone did a study based on several of the Sypder meters and only a few of them he tested out of the bunch he had were accurate enough to actually help the out of the box performance through Auto-Cal and by using an inaccurate Spyder meter actually made the image worse. So tread lightly and make sure the image actually looks better after you've run the Auto-Cal software and if it doesn't load the saved out of the box profiles back on to the RS540.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: afss on March 07, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
As a precaution I would backup the profiles the RS540 already has before you run the auto-cal process. One of the issues with the Auto-Cal feature is that the compatible meters list is small and the more common meters people use are often not particularly accurate. I think someone did a study based on several of the Sypder meters and only a few of them he tested out of the bunch he had were accurate enough to actually help the out of the box performance through Auto-Cal and by using an inaccurate Spyder meter actually made the image worse. So tread lightly and make sure the image actually looks better after you've run the Auto-Cal software and if it doesn't load the saved out of the box profiles back on to the RS540.

Thanks for the very good advice !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on March 07, 2018, 09:47:39 PM
As a precaution I would backup the profiles the RS540 already has before you run the auto-cal process. One of the issues with the Auto-Cal feature is that the compatible meters list is small and the more common meters people use are often not particularly accurate. I think someone did a study based on several of the Sypder meters and only a few of them he tested out of the bunch he had were accurate enough to actually help the out of the box performance through Auto-Cal and by using an inaccurate Spyder meter actually made the image worse. So tread lightly and make sure the image actually looks better after you've run the Auto-Cal software and if it doesn't load the saved out of the box profiles back on to the RS540.

This is a really good point.  A lot of guys who only use the Spyder don't realize this.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 11, 2018, 01:11:02 PM
Can anyone recommend a good replacement bulb-only source for these projectors? I plan on reusing the housing. Or I should say for the past 3 generations of JVC projectors as they all use the same one.

Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSLaurie on March 12, 2018, 09:41:13 AM
We do have a vendor that will sell just the bulb, but I don't believe they sell to consumers - it is considerably less expensive to buy without the housing.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: afss on March 12, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
We do have a vendor that will sell just the bulb, but I don't believe they sell to consumers - it is considerably less expensive to buy without the housing.

I would be interested on this option as well, as I am technician and would be able to replace it in the housing. Is it the original JVC bulb though ?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: bmoney on March 12, 2018, 09:45:32 AM
is it involved to replace just the bulb?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on March 12, 2018, 10:03:26 AM
We do have a vendor that will sell just the bulb, but I don't believe they sell to consumers - it is considerably less expensive to buy without the housing.

I just checked Professional Lamps - no bare lamps for the JVC's. Not sure why. 
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on March 12, 2018, 10:45:12 AM
I would be interested on this option as well, as I am technician and would be able to replace it in the housing. Is it the original JVC bulb though ?
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That is always the question.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on March 12, 2018, 12:25:56 PM
I was going to start a " JVC Red Projector Owner's Thread ". But it would be very lonely in there.  ;D In the US, a club of three ! We have one available !
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: donthetech on June 27, 2018, 01:54:06 PM
Hi guys, I decided to post on this forum because it seems a bit more civil in here......The other one seems to be a bit chaotic for my taste, even though I go there for info.....Anyway I want to share that I am now in th "440 club".....I purchased a new RS440 yesterday........I was fortunate enough to be able to pick it up after a saw a demo in one of the AVS Science showrooms........I live within driving distance(60 miles).......Thanks to Mike Garrett for the great deal....He gave me five choices, I REALLY wanted the B-stock 520, but it was a hair over my budget, because I needed a mount, and of course, the sales tax for NY.......I then decided the best choice would be the 440 because it was new, was this year's model, and has a 3-year warranty.......

I think I'll be happy with this unit......I need to share the experience in the showroom.......There are two of them, one has an Epson(forget the model) and a JVC RS520( which I requested to be demoed)........the other was set up with a scope screen with an RS 4500 providing the picture. (what a freaking BEAST that thing is)........The room with the 520, to my surprise, was not a bat-cave......it had light colored walls, ceiling, and rug........the guy performing the demo was awesome, answered all my questions the best he could.......he fired up the 520, darkened the room and I was blown away by total JVC awesomeness.......I was more impressed because the room had light walls and rug, the black levels in the picture were not affected, it looked gorgeous......I thought reflected light from the walls and ceiling would affect it, but it didn't.  it had a WHITE 120 inch 16:9 screen......that REALLY convinced me to get one, because my media room is similar.......Then, I checked out the other room, he showed a demo of ATMOS and the 4500 in action........Words cannot describe what I saw and heard........all in all, I had a great experience purchasing my projector and can't wait to get it installed and ask the members here about profiles, gamma curves, and all the good stuff......Thanks again to Mike and the guy at the showroom( I can't remember his name, sorry, old age) for a wonderful experience....I know this is long, but I wanted to share the total experience I had.......
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on June 27, 2018, 06:29:06 PM
AVScience are great to deal with all around. The best part about your purchase is the post-purchase support. That alone is well worth buying from AVScience.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on June 28, 2018, 07:34:24 AM
Yeah, both rooms look good, but the room the 4500 is in is fantastic. :)
Probably was Jason that gave you the demo.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: donthetech on July 02, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
yeah, it was.........above my pay grade, though....LOL ::) Thanks for giving me the name of the guy who did the demo, yes, it was Jason.....Did an awesome job.....
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: donthetech on September 18, 2018, 03:49:26 PM
yeah, it was.........above my pay grade, though....LOL ::) Thanks for giving me the name of the guy who did the demo, yes, it was Jason.....Did an awesome job.....

MY, MY, how things have changed!!!! Now there are native 4k units!!!! geez, talk about a little buyer's remorse.....and just to think I am coming into a little prosperity......My unit is nearly 3 months old, only 190 hrs. on it.......Darn.....Used one of the HDR curves on it and puts out a great image.....but still....
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on September 20, 2018, 06:22:25 AM
MY, MY, how things have changed!!!! Now there are native 4k units!!!! geez, talk about a little buyer's remorse.....and just to think I am coming into a little prosperity......My unit is nearly 3 months old, only 190 hrs. on it.......Darn.....Used one of the HDR curves on it and puts out a great image.....but still....

540 and 640 are great projectors. The 540 may be the best selling JVC with us for two years in a row.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on September 28, 2018, 06:58:39 AM
Last day for the CEDIA special on the RS540. :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: jive turkey on September 28, 2018, 06:06:13 PM
I'm already kicking myself. If I knew Chadb could definitely make it my way in January I'd be all over it.

Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: muleycrazy on September 30, 2018, 09:53:21 AM
Ordered the RS540 on Friday.  Can’t wait to get it going! It is replacing Epson 5030.   :) :)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on September 30, 2018, 03:30:02 PM
You're going to love it! Should be a big upgrade over your current Epson.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on October 04, 2018, 12:53:06 PM
There is one 20LTD left at a great price. Give us a call for price.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on October 31, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
We have some new B-stock projectors on their way to us. Call for pricing.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: golden04 on November 12, 2018, 08:07:56 AM
Anyone have any suggested settings on hdr mode for 4k hdr movies. Im trying find some recommended settings as my picture seems to dark in darker scenes. im using x590/rs440 with 106" 1.0 gain screen and Panasonic 820 player. watched incredibles 2 and just seemed way too dark in most scenes.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DLCPhoto on November 12, 2018, 09:39:49 AM
Anyone have any suggested settings on hdr mode for 4k hdr movies. Im trying find some recommended settings as my picture seems to dark in darker scenes. im using x590/rs440 with 106" 1.0 gain screen and Panasonic 820 player. watched incredibles 2 and just seemed way too dark in most scenes.

Most would suggest putting the 820 into SDR/2020 mode, HDR Optimizer "On," and then using a 'regular' Picture Mode on the Projector, with Gamma of 2.4 and BT/2020 Color Profile.  Try that and see what you think.  You can further tweak the picture with the Slider on the 820.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: golden04 on November 12, 2018, 10:08:01 AM
ill try that, thanks!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Andreas21 on December 05, 2018, 04:35:40 PM
Here you can see the grayscale stability of the JVC 1080p E-Shift models. This is my Cineversum Black Wing Two (based on the JVC RS520) when I calibrated it today. It was last calibrated at 48 hours on August 12. 2017 and today it has 500 hours so it is 452 hours and almost 16 months since I calibrated it last time. This is to show the JVC are almost totally stable after the initial gamma drop is fixed via Autocal or the 12 point manual calibration in JVC Autocal and I prefer the 12 point over the fully automated Autocal.

The only thing I have done when I calibrated before taking this screenshot is to set the gain/100 % white in the projector and nothing else. I perfected it after in both the 12 point and internal CMS. The contrast number is a hiccup, it measures around 100000:1 when it measures normal.

The brightness of the lamp is the same as it was 450 hours ago.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: golden04 on December 06, 2018, 07:51:39 AM
Is there a way to do basic calibration for the jvc rs440 using the spears and munsil 2nd edition disc? I tried with contrast and brightness for 1080p but i couldnt adjust it low enough to see all the bars  am i doing something wrong or can this not be used to adjust picture settings on projector
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on December 06, 2018, 08:54:48 AM
Here you can see the grayscale stability of the JVC 1080p E-Shift models. This is my Cineversum Black Wing Two (based on the JVC RS520) when I calibrated it today. It was last calibrated at 48 hours on August 12. 2017 and today it has 500 hours so it is 452 hours and almost 16 months since I calibrated it last time. This is to show the JVC are almost totally stable after the initial gamma drop is fixed via Autocal or the 12 point manual calibration in JVC Autocal and I prefer the 12 point over the fully automated Autocal.

The only thing I have done when I calibrated before taking this screenshot is to set the gain/100 % white in the projector and nothing else. I perfected it after in both the 12 point and internal CMS. The contrast number is a hiccup, it measures around 100000:1 when it measures normal.

The brightness of the lamp is the same as it was 450 hours ago.


That's very good. No loss at all ? I'm impressed.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on December 06, 2018, 05:26:22 PM
Chad has told me several times just how remarkably stable the latest eshift gen happens to be.  I don't think JVC gets enough credit for this as I am not aware of another lamp-based projector that comes anywhere this close.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Andreas21 on December 07, 2018, 03:44:51 PM
That's very good. No loss at all ? I'm impressed.

Yes, it is imressive it has lost around 5% from 0 hours to 500 hours in 16 months and har been totally stable when it comes to gamma after the drop was corrected at 48 hours. I have seen the same reusults on many JVC models I have calibrated and recalibrated the last years so the reports from Cine4Home saying the drop comes over time and not use and are not stable before they are at least 18 monts is complete bollocks. 8)
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: schugh on December 07, 2018, 05:14:35 PM
Hello, new member here. I currently have an Epson 6030 for 4 years which I continue to enjoy but am ready to step up to 4K and HDR. I have a dedicated room with no windows but the walls are not dark. The ceiling is the standard white and walls are some shade of brown almond along that line. The screen is 123" Stewart Cima.

I only use it for watching movies on disc. The occasional Netflix if I'm in the mood.

I've pretty well decided it will be the RS440 or RS540. But I just can't make up my mind between them.
Of course I understand the RS540 will be better but I am not a critical viewer and am wondering if it would be better for me to save the $1000. Will I really notice the difference in the blacks etc? Actually it's not something I think about even when watching standard BRDs on my Epson. Maybe I'm answering my own questions, I don't know.

Still does anyone have any advice? The emotional side says get the 540 and be happy but the brain says get the 440.

One additional technical question if anyone can answer.
My Epson has a dynamic contrast of 600,000:1. From what I understand the native contrast of the RS440 is 40,000:1 which translates to maybe a dynamic contrast of 400,000:1. Doesn't this mean my Epson should have slightly better blacks? Or is that not how it works?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on February 25, 2019, 03:49:12 PM
440 has been discontinued for quite a while. JVC did not even have any 540's for a loing time, but we have some 540's coming in this week.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on March 11, 2019, 11:14:39 AM
Looks like RS540's will be end of life pretty soon. Great projector for the money. 
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on March 11, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Looks like RS540's will be end of life pretty soon. Great projector for the money.

Will JVC still be making parts (such as panels, etc.) for eshift unit repairs?
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 12, 2019, 08:17:38 AM
Will JVC still be making parts (such as panels, etc.) for eshift unit repairs?
I'm fairly certain, by law in most countries, they're forced to keep repair parts in stock for a number of years.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on March 12, 2019, 09:03:25 AM
Isn't it 7 years in the US ? 

(a) Every manufacturer making an express warranty with respect to an electronic or appliance product described in subdivision (h), (i), (j), or (k) of Section 9801 of the Business and Professions Code, with a wholesale price to the retailer of not less than fifty dollars ($50) and not more than ninety-nine dollars and ninety-nine cents ($99.99), shall make available to service and repair facilities sufficient service literature and functional parts to effect the repair of a product for at least three years after the date a product model or type was manufactured, regardless of whether the three-year period exceeds the warranty period for the product.

(b) Every manufacturer making an express warranty with respect to an electronic or appliance product described in subdivision (h), (i), (j), or (k) of Section 9801 of the Business and Professions Code, with a wholesale price to the retailer of one hundred dollars ($100) or more, shall make available to service and repair facilities sufficient service literature and functional parts to effect the repair of a product for at least seven years after the date a product model or type was manufactured, regardless of whether the seven-year period exceeds the warranty period for the product.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 12, 2019, 09:45:23 AM
Yup, Craig! I think in some other countries it's 10 years.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on March 12, 2019, 11:00:34 AM
Parts should be around for a lot longer than pretty much anybody on this forum keeps their projector. :) 
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSCraig on March 12, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
Parts should be around for a lot longer than pretty much anybody on this forum keeps their projector. :)
Well, I still talk to folks using RS1's from 2007 / 2008 ! 
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on March 14, 2019, 09:48:29 AM
I'm fairly certain, by law in most countries, they're forced to keep repair parts in stock for a number of years.
I'm trying to recall the details exactly, but when my engine block deteriorated in my 60" SXRD RPTV (which was three years old) Sony offered me $300 or the opportunity to buy a discounted LCD.  This was part of the class action lawsuit against them regarding the matter with these TVs.  I don't know if they were offering engine block replacements, but perhaps there is a way around it with some other form of "compensation".
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on March 14, 2019, 10:10:23 AM
I'm trying to recall the details exactly, but when my engine block deteriorated in my 60" SXRD RPTV (which was three years old) Sony offered me $300 or the opportunity to buy a discounted LCD.  This was part of the class action lawsuit against them regarding the matter with these TVs.  I don't know if they were offering engine block replacements, but perhaps there is a way around it with some other form of "compensation".
My guess is that this was the cheaper option for them to offer. I'd imagine that they still had to offer repair if the customer really wanted it.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on March 14, 2019, 11:12:00 AM
My guess is that this was the cheaper option for them to offer. I'd imagine that they still had to offer repair if the customer really wanted it.
Yeah, but I don't think repair solved the problem, since they did not have parts for that TV that did not still have the problem.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: DavidHir on March 14, 2019, 12:43:15 PM
It turned out to be a decent value in a way.  I ended up buying a 46" LCD for $400 (which was normally selling at $800) and gave it to my girlfriend's daughter to play video games...she is still using it today.  If I recall, the other option was a mid range 60" LCD at a much higher price...closest they could come to my 60" SXRD size.  I ended up buying a 65" ST30 Panasonic plasma at that time which smoked the SXRD even with a good engine block.  
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Schwa on March 14, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
It turned out to be a decent value in a way.  I ended up buying a 46" LCD for $400 (which was normally selling at $800) and gave it to my girlfriend's daughter to play video games...she is still using it today.
I got the exact same deal and still have the 46” CCFL-backlit LCD in my “mother-in-law” room!
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: AVSMike on April 03, 2019, 01:56:06 PM
Looks like we are at the end of the road for the RS540. Today, JVC said to stop taking any more orders for this projector.
Title: Re: JVC RS440 / 540 / 640 projectors
Post by: Dylan Seeger on April 03, 2019, 08:16:13 PM
End of an era!