My review unit arrived today. Should be fun giving it a whirl over the next couple weeks.
Been a busy week with work. Haven't had much time to spend with the projector. I'm hoping to do a full calibration tomorrow or Monday. I will check low lamp to see if my unit measures like yours. I'm guessing it will because I measured the same 10% loss with high lamp.
What I find interesting, and is something I want to measure for myself, is that you found that enabling the P3 filter boosts native contrast to about 30,000:1. Unless I misread your posts. I measured ~23000:1 native without the filter. A 30% increase in contrast with just a 10% loss of light seems like a great trade off.
Edit: I just re-read your post and it's the other way around. The filter decreases contrast.
Lucy looks marvelous on UHD Blu-ray.I agree with this...looks fabulous...the movie isn't bad either.
Yeah, with all the delays (on top of the huge demand) if you didn't put in a pre-order last year, I fear it's going to be a long wait. Though I think the RS1000 is easy to get. I think Mike or Craig mentioned they have them in stock!I'm getting direct from JVC on an accommodation deal, so I'm at the back of the line in order to save some $$$.
I'm getting direct from JVC on an accommodation deal, so I'm at the back of the line in order to save some $$$.It’s worth the wait. I’m sure you’ll love it. :)
It’s worth the wait. I’m sure you’ll love it. :)I'm sure I will :)
I'm getting direct from JVC on an accommodation deal, so I'm at the back of the line in order to save some $$$.Yep, it is crowded at this spot.
Just got my JVC 3000 and it has been running for an hour!! I am using the Oppo 205 and Stewart studiotek 100 screen. Let you know soon. So far it looks good.You adjust the lamp between high and low and then you use the manual iris to set brightness. Go to advanced menu on remote, then turn off dynamic iris and that will then allow you to adjust the manual iris. Then you can turn the dynamic iris back on.
But where are the controls you mention for the lamp brightness?
I'm sure I will :)I am hearing the wait will be close to two more months. :(
Just got my JVC 3000 and it has been running for an hour!! I am using the Oppo 205 and Stewart studiotek 100 screen. Let you know soon. So far it looks good.Nice ! That's one great projector !
But where are the controls you mention for the lamp brightness?
Got mine today! Using Stewart studiotek 100. Lety you know how this works out. David gave mke a lsit of movie to play. I ordered Lucy and will get to her ASAP. The First Man, Venom, 2001, and AVENGERS 3Congratulations, Barry. I know you have been waiting a good while for it.
For me, maybe Avengers: Endgame release date: April 26, 2019. I might have my RS3000 by the time it is released on disc. :(Hopefully you won't have to wait quite that long.
Hopefully you won't have to wait quite that long.Have several, but I use an RS640 in my dedicated room right now. Shooting onto a scope, curved masking screen with Screen Acoustic V6 (AT) fabric. I use an A-lens. Here is a thread on my system. https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=124.0 (https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=124.0)
What is your current projector and screen, Mike?
You adjust the lamp between high and low and then you use the manual iris to set brightness. Go to advanced menu on remote, then turn off dynamic iris and that will then allow you to adjust the manual iris. Then you can turn the dynamic iris back on.Thanx so much!!!!!
May I ask another question? Where are the filters Manni mentioned to adjust the contrast?I'm not sure what you mean. Contrast doesn't really need to be adjusted and is best left to 0. When/where did I mention these?
JVC announcing today a special. Buy an RS3000 today through September 30th and receive a free lamp. You will not have to send in for the free lamp.
RS3000 calibration with Lumagen DTM taking place Thursday. kris Deering will be here Thursday to calibrate and set up my Lumagen. Kris is a lot more familiar with the Lumagen, than I ever will be. Last Lumagen I owned was the Mini, several years ago. Sold it when I went to 4K with the Sony VW600 in 2014. :)Mike,
New firmware featuresI've always been impressed with how JVC improves their models with firmware updates! :)
New features
Frame by frame DTM HDR Can also be set up for scene by scene.
12 bit to 18 bit
Anamorphic D (DCR owners can rejoice)
SpyderX support for autocal
More support for screen selection.
I am hearing from beta testers that the new DTM in the JVC is really good. Game changer good, compared to what other projector manufacturers are offering.But not so good against madVR or a Lumagen ??
But not so good against madVR or a Lumagen ??I plan on taking a look at this next week (or if I can get my hands on the firmware before then).
But not so good against madVR or a Lumagen ??The difference is going to be a lot smaller than I expected.
The difference is going to be a lot smaller than I expected.Thats good to hear.....it will make alot of users who cant afford a Lumagen OR HTPC very happy..:)
The difference is going to be a lot smaller than I expected.Mike,
How to update your firmware ( if you haven't done it before ) -That's a tease...the firmware isn't on the site yet! Isn't is tomorrow in Japan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be)
That's a tease...the firmware isn't on the site yet! Isn't is tomorrow in Japan?Supposed to be tomorrow on the US site too. Check in the morning -
Supposed to be tomorrow on the US site too. Check in the morning -I know...I'm just giving Chris a hard time...I know he reads these threads :)
https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/ (https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/download/dla-nx9_dla-nx7_dla-nx5_dla-n7_dla-n5_dla-n11_dla-n8_dla-n6_dla-rs3000_dla-rs2000_dla-rs1000/)
To help you get ready for the update.I beat you to that already ! 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AMPsl3HidE&feature=youtu.be)
FilterThis is unexpected. In recent JVC Projector generations, one had the choice of BT2020 Color Space, with or without the Color Filter, with the Filter providing greater color coverage at the expense of some light.
Normal is no filter, Rec709 color space.
Wide is with BT2020 filter. DCI color space.
This is unexpected. In recent JVC Projector generations, one had the choice of BT2020 Color Space, with or without the Color Filter, with the Filter providing greater color coverage at the expense of some light.I was given slightly wrong information. Normal is the old HDR mode, so slightly wider than Rec709. I have corrected the post above.
Have they removed this option, or did your source mis-speak?
New list of codes with added functions for firmware 3.1.Hi Mike,
Hi Mike,No, but I will ask if JVC has them.
Would you have the IP Control codes for the new commands (especially the DTM profile?)
Thanks!
JVC codes.Hi Mike,
JVC codes.How would I get the new options fw3.1 offers (ana-D, DTM mode) as available options on my Harmony remote? Can I somehow use this file through the Harmony software?
How would I get the new options fw3.1 offers (ana-D, DTM mode) as available options on my Harmony remote? Can I somehow use this file through the Harmony software?You would have to ask Harmony to add the codes to their database.
Looks like I'm getting an NX9/RS3000 to review now that JVC is keeping these models another year.You gain the same lens as the RS4500 !
Should be fun putting it up against my RS2000. In fact that will be the main focus of the review; what do you gain by stepping up to the RS3000/NX9?
Hopefully should be receiving the NX9 this week sometimeAwesome! Let us know your thoughts when it arrives. ;)
Awesome! Let us know your thoughts when it arrives. ;)Will do, Thanks Dylan :)
Awesome! Let us know your thoughts when it arrives. ;)Picked it up yesterday, did a firmware update all good to go.
Hi all
Does anyone else notice the hdmi handshake and how long before it gets a pic up? Not the end of the world but I’m guessing it has to do with DI. I’m going to try tonight Manual to see what happens.
I’m running a 4k players ( nearly 300 4k UHD Discs ) Panasonic UB9000/820/420 for 4K UHD only no cable. But your right it’s been a long while since I’ve had the older JVC models I’ve forgotten how bad they were with Hdmi Handshake. My Sony 995es was quicker with the handshake but it doesn’t make up for the issues they all have.
Believe it or not, the older JVC projectors took even longer. This is something JVC has been working on. If you're watching cable and switching channels alters the resolution, I can imagine the long HDMI sync time could get annoying. If that's where you're running into issues, most cable boxes will allow you to set a single resolution to output at all times. The cable box will scale any content that isn't the same as the set output resolution. This should help.
I will do my best to check on this for you. If you place the projector into high lamp mode, does the other fan kick on? I wouldn't worry about this (if it truly is an issue) damaging the projector. If the internal temperature of the projector gets too hot, the projector will shut itself off.To be honest Dylan I have not checked high Lamp mode. I assumed that the fan worked regardless. On low lamp mode its literally whisper quiet.
Hi DylanYou are looking in the wrong direction - the screen is behind you ! ::)
I’m an idiot. Ive looked at the frame of the fan instead. I just looked closely and the fan is going.
Im losing it :-\
You are looking in the wrong direction - the screen is behind you ! ::)Lol :) you are correct
No worries, we all make mistakes like this from time to time. Just be happy that there isn't an issue with your expensive projector hahaI wouldn’t be happy. After going through Sony’s issues it’s all I need. But I’m glad it’s okay.
I got the NX9, same as RS3000, last week from JVC to review. Really impressed so far. This thing is quite a bit brighter than my RS2000 from the same distance back from my screen. Native contrast is a little better (only measured OOTB contrast so far), but the dynamic contrast is much better than the RS2000's. I measured 475,000:1 max dynamic contrast OOTB. This is about twice that of my RS2000. Then there's the lens. It's not as sharp as I thought it was going to be against my RS2000, but I guess that shows you how good the 65mm lens is on the RS2000, but overall there's much more clarity to the image on the RS3000.I’m impressed with the NX9 still learning it. Getting to understand what some of the noises are. I noticed the colour filter when on / off makes noise lol.
I’m impressed with the NX9 still learning it. Getting to understand what some of the noises are. I noticed the colour filter when on / off makes noise lol.
coming from the Sony 995es the lens on the JVC is quite similar very sharp. The locos panels vs SXRD panels the Jvc ones are definitely better than what’s on the Sony.
still putting it through its paces.
The color filter is motorized and moves in and out of the light path. That's why you hear it when it engages and disengages.Funny thing though when it goes ( Hdmi handshake ) coming from HDR ( Wide ) going to home screen if I use THX mode for Blu ray it disengages and engages again. Wouldn’t that cause issue later down the track ?
Funny thing though when it goes ( Hdmi handshake ) coming from HDR ( Wide ) going to home screen if I use THX mode for Blu ray it disengages and engages again. Wouldn’t that cause issue later down the track ?
I'm sure JVC has factored in for this type of switching. The older eshift models had a similar filter that would engage and disengage too and I haven't heard a single person say the filter mechanism has failed.That’s good to know cheers
On another this happens only on that masciola disc HDR 10 using dynamic contrast - what is that green spots - lights ??If you edit the original photo ( crop a tiny bit maybe ) and save it, it won't turn sideways ( use the copy ). Just FYI.
Not sure why photo uploads sideways
Setup is aperture 0 auto 2 Frame by Frame. Ive tried manual Aperture I’ve tried static tone mapping still there on dynamic contrast.
If you edit the original photo ( crop a tiny bit maybe ) and save it, it won't turn sideways ( use the copy ). Just FYI.Thanks
Then there's the lens. It's not as sharp as I thought it was going to be against my RS2000, but I guess that shows you how good the 65mm lens is on the RS2000, but overall there's much more clarity to the image on the NX9.There seems to be a large variation in the lens on the NX9 ... i have had 3 samples and they all had variations. The first unit had the sharpest lens, the last (3rd / newest unit) had the worst lens.
There seems to be a large variation in the lens on the NX9 ... i have had 3 samples and they all had variations. The first unit had the sharpest lens, the last (3rd / newest unit) had the worst lens.I've had 4 different RS2000's here. All of them varied a bit in lens sharpness. The one I currently own is the best out of the bunch and the same can be said about convergence. The lens in the NX9 I have is even better than my RS2000. It's not as apparent as I thought it was going to be though.
I had an N5 that actually had a better/sharper lens than the last sample NX9 i had..
Hi allIt looks to be an internal reflection inside the light engine. When an iris closes down in a projector's lens, it can force a lot of light back into the projector (because the light is hitting the back side of the iris and sending it back into the light engine) and cause issues like you see in that photo. It's not a "fault" per say, but rather how optics/irises work on a projector, especially when it's as bright as the RS3000.
That pic I posted not sure as to why it’s happening on that particular disc HDR 10 on dynamic contrast Selection but watching a film I don’t see it.. Is seems to be reflecting. Is it a fault or just an issue with that disc?
It looks to be an internal reflection inside the light engine. When an iris closes down in a projector's lens, it can force a lot of light back into the projector (because the light is hitting the back side of the iris and sending it back into the light engine) and cause issues like you see in that photo. It's not a "fault" per say, but rather how optics/irises work on a projector, especially when it's as bright as the RS3000.Thank you. The projector is projecting on a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart Studio tech G3 1.3 Gain Scope Screen but when it’s in 16:9 mode ( which that was the case ) if I recall it’s at 92” or 96” .
It looks to be an internal reflection inside the light engine. When an iris closes down in a projector's lens, it can force a lot of light back into the projector (because the light is hitting the back side of the iris and sending it back into the light engine) and cause issues like you see in that photo. It's not a "fault" per say, but rather how optics/irises work on a projector, especially when it's as bright as the RS3000.I found out the cause. It’s because I put the JVC on my mid shelf in my room ( long story as to why it’s their ). One I placed it high in my back room the reflection was gone.
I found out the cause. It’s because I put the JVC on my mid shelf in my room ( long story as to why it’s their ). One I placed it high in my back room the reflection was gone.Great to hear. My guess is the angle of the light leaving the lens has changed and removed the artifact.
Are the NX9 owners using auto 2 or on manual for the aperture ? Ive now left the Aperture on 0 but on manual.You are running extremely bright. Especially on the 92" image. You need to close down the manual iris quite a bit.
Any tips or recommendations on preferred settings ?
You are running extremely bright. Especially on the 92" image. You need to close down the manual iris quite a bit.Close it to what level mike ? And when zooming to 117” at 0 is it still too bright ?
Close it to what level mike ? And when zooming to 117” at 0 is it still too bright ?Are you in high lamp or low? What is your throw distance to your 117" diagonal 1.3 gain 2.37 screen. I listed the screen info, so I have it all in one place. :)
Cheers
Are you in high lamp or low? What is your throw distance to your 117" diagonal 1.3 gain 2.37 screen. I listed the screen info, so I have it all in one place. :)It’s around 5.1m if it’s in the back room ( projector room ). Low lamp mode.
It’s around 5.1m if it’s in the back room ( projector room ). Low lamp mode.In low lamp with wide open iris you are probably looking at 32/33FL. That is very bright for SDR. I would close the iris down to around -10 to -12 range. For HDR you could run in low with iris open or in high with iris closed down to around -5. It is easy to get used to all that brightness with iris fully open, but you are raising the black floor much higher than it should be and when your lamp ages, you have nowhere to go.
If I put in shelf in room ( mid way ) it’s 4.40m
Thank you mike :)
In low lamp with wide open iris you are probably looking at 32/33FL. That is very bright for SDR. I would close the iris down to around -10 to -12 range. For HDR you could run in low with iris open or in high with iris closed down to around -5. It is easy to get used to all that brightness with iris fully open, but you are raising the black floor much higher than it should be and when your lamp ages, you have nowhere to go.Thanks Mike but I’m in low lamp for HDR I’m trying -9 but manual atm. Doesn’t look too bad.
You REALLY need a light meter..
Great article on the new HDR Dynamic Tone Mapping -Interesting article - thanks!
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/hands-jvc-s-dynamic-tone-mapping-update (https://www.soundandvision.com/content/hands-jvc-s-dynamic-tone-mapping-update)
According to JVC, when in Auto mode the projector will measure the incoming video signal in real time and determine which level (Low/Medium/High) to use based on the brightness of the incoming frame or scene.
It is dynamic - it measures the video content, similar to what the Lumagen does. Metadata is unreliable or non existent half the time.Interesting. Many, including myself, had the impression that a single value (Low, Medium or high) was chosen when using Auto mode, based on whatever criteria JVC built into the process, and it stayed that way throughout.
You REALLY need a light meter..Any recommendations of a good one woofer. Not too expensive but reliable as I will only use it a couple of times.
I agree I would love to know what the different options do.
Still, it would be extremely helpful if JVC put out a PDF of some type, not necessarily a formal 'White Paper' as such, but at least providing some level of detail as far as what the different options do, how they interact, more precise guidelines for their usage, etc.
Any recommendations of a good one woofer. Not too expensive but reliable as I will only use it a couple of times.Cheap but seems to work -
Interesting. Many, including myself, had the impression that a single value (Low, Medium or high) was chosen when using Auto mode, based on whatever criteria JVC built into the process, and it stayed that way throughout.
But if the selection when in Auto mode may vary from one frame or scene to another, depending on the incoming signal, that could potentially provide optimal results, regardless of the content. I'll have to explore using Auto, and see what it does, or doesn't do, with a variety of content.
Still, it would be extremely helpful if JVC put out a PDF of some type, not necessarily a formal 'White Paper' as such, but at least providing some level of detail as far as what the different options do, how they interact, more precise guidelines for their usage, etc.
Thanks for the reply, Craig.
That would be a static tone map - we already had that. The revolutionary thing about this is analyzes the video and adjusts the HDR frame by frame ( or scene by scene ).We may be talking past each other here Craig.
We may be talking past each other here Craig.I understand what you are asking now. According to Kris in his most recent post on the " other forum ", auto seems to pick medium. I don't think there are two levels of DTM going on.
I understand what the basic Dynamic Tone Mapping means, where it analyzes the image on a frame-by-frame or a scene-by-scene basis, completely different from any of the static Tone Mapping previously available.
What I'm questioning is what using the "Auto" setting does. The other available options are Low, Medium, and High, and the quote from Kris Deering (reporting on what JVC told him) seemed to imply that the Auto setting is Dynamically assigning the Low, Medium, or High setting, based on the incoming visual signal.
So we seem to be looking at 2 different 'levels' of Dynamic modification of Tone Mapping: there's the frame-by-frame or scene-by-scene mapping, which seems relatively straightforward, but the quote implies that the assignment of Low, Medium, or High is also being dynamically adjusted.
In other words, we have Low, Medium, and High being dynamically assigned, which would seem to provide different parameters to govern the lower level frame-by-frame or scene-by-scene dynamic tone mapping.
Kind of hard to put in words, but hopefully this will clear it up.
I understand what you are asking now. According to Kris in his most recent post on the " other forum ", auto seems to pick medium. I don't think there are two levels of DTM going on.Good. And I just read that post, and replied with a follow-up question.
Interesting. Many, including myself, had the impression that a single value (Low, Medium or high) was chosen when using Auto mode, based on whatever criteria JVC built into the process, and it stayed that way throughout.Let me see if I can get a PDF from JVC.
But if the selection when in Auto mode may vary from one frame or scene to another, depending on the incoming signal, that could potentially provide optimal results, regardless of the content. I'll have to explore using Auto, and see what it does, or doesn't do, with a variety of content.
Still, it would be extremely helpful if JVC put out a PDF of some type, not necessarily a formal 'White Paper' as such, but at least providing some level of detail as far as what the different options do, how they interact, more precise guidelines for their usage, etc.
Thanks for the reply, Craig.
Good. And I just read that post, and replied with a follow-up question.
As I said there, while I have no reason or basis to doubt Kris's observations, it just doesn't seem to make sense for JVC to have the "Auto" option if it is consistently the same as "Medium." This would suggest that there is something more going on.
But what that is, I have no clue at this point, and seems like something JVC could quite easily clarify.
Cheap but seems to work -Just ordered the Dr Meter cheers
Dr.Meter LX1330B Digital Illuminance/Light Meter, 0 - 200,000 Lux Luxmeter
Better but more expensive -
Sper Scientific 840020C Lux Light Meter
You will use one off and on as long as you own a projector.
Let me see if I can get a PDF from JVC.You could ask them to check the existing PDF, that states that AUTO is using metadata to determine which DTM level to use. See page two of attached, it clearly says that MaxCLL,MaxFALL are being used by AUTO. Then maybe expand a bit on each option, for example what it does when the metadata is invalid (pick medium) or if it uses metadata at all with AUTO.
I take back my comments about the lens not making that much of a difference on the RS3000. What I ended up doing is overlapping the RS2000's image with the RS3000/NX9's image and by pressing the Hide button I seamlessly swapped the two images instantaneously. Looking at test patterns, I notice not only are the pixels far more delineated, but there seems to be more dynamic range within the image as well. That is, the pixels who need to be black are a much darker shade of black on the NX9 in these test patterns. This gives the impression of more sharpness as adjacent pixels can be portrayed in starker contrast to one another. Really impressed so far. I might just have to find a way to keep this projector!The 2000 is a good projector, but that lens really separates the two. Really like my 3000. At one of the shootouts where Kris Deering set up and measured both an RS2000 and an RS3000, Kris commented on how they measured the same, contrast wise. But the 3000 looked like it had better contrast, due to the lens.
Dunno if they cherry picked a unit for me, but this RS3000 is measuring in quite a bit higher in contrast than my RS2000. The least amount of contrast I'm measuring is 38,500:1 (Iris open, max moom). Under the same conditions my RS2000 measures in around 32,000:1 iirc. Dynamic contrast is quite a bit different too. I see about 175,000:1 vs 475,000:1. Fades to black when the Iris clamps down is noticably darker on the RS3000.
The RS3000 has a very good lens on it. I get edge to edge sharpness as I did with my Sony 995es lens.Yes, those two lenses have about the same performance. Both are excellent, top quality lenses.
Dunno if they cherry picked a unit for me, but this RS3000 is measuring in quite a bit higher in contrast than my RS2000. The least amount of contrast I'm measuring is 38,500:1 (Iris open, max moom). Under the same conditions my RS2000 measures in around 32,000:1 iirc. Dynamic contrast is quite a bit different too. I see about 175,000:1 vs 475,000:1. Fades to black when the Iris clamps down is noticably darker on the RS3000.When can we expect a review of your RS3000 Dylan ? ;)
Just had some family over to watch Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood. I really liked the film, definitely up there with some of Tarantino's best. I was a little worried after reading online that people thought it was mastered too dark overall in appearance. But through the NX9 I never felt that at all. The more I watch this projector the more I fall in love with it. My NX9 review should be published in a few weeks, with lots of great things to say.I really love my RS3000/DCR/Lumagen combination. Best picture I have ever had in my room.
Just had some family over to watch Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood. I really liked the film, definitely up there with some of Tarantino's best. I was a little worried after reading online that people thought it was mastered too dark overall in appearance. But through the NX9 I never felt that at all. The more I watch this projector the more I fall in love with it. My NX9 review should be published in a few weeks, with lots of great things to say.Watched that film as well. DTM on auto never had an issue with any scene. Great film btw
I am ready to pull a trigger for the RS3000 with DCR lens setup. Right now I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3 2.35 curved 128 diagonal screen. What Do You think about this setup. Should I invest in new flat screen, I am little bit concerned about the size as well, should I go smaller screen size? My theatre is absolutely light controlled, dark walls as well.Regarding the screen type, this is from the Panamorph website:
Thanks for the advice
Watched that film as well. DTM on auto never had an issue with any scene. Great film btwI noticed that even though there were several aspect ratio changes, Tarantino kept them constant image height friendly. So even though I had the image zoomed on my scope screen, when it went to 4/3 or 2.0, the image height remained the same.
I am ready to pull a trigger for the RS3000 with DCR lens setup. Right now I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3 2.35 curved 128 diagonal screen. What Do You think about this setup. Should I invest in new flat screen, I am little bit concerned about the size as well, should I go smaller screen size? My theatre is absolutely light controlled, dark walls as well.You will have plenty of brightness with either screen, but you will get barrel distortion with the curved screen. A flat screen is the correct choice with a DCR lens. I do not remember if you gave me the throw distance last week in your email?
Thanks for the advice
I really love my RS3000/DCR/Lumagen combination. Best picture I have ever had in my room.Yeah, I agree. It's the best image quality I've personally seen from a projector. And dare I say, the best image for movie content a consumer can currently get for less than $100,000. In my opinion, there's really only two projectors that a consumer can purchase that will offer a better image starting at that $100K mark with the Sim2 HDR Duo Plus and then the Christie Eclipse. I talk a bit about this in my review. There are other projectors more expensive than the NX9/RS3000, but they trade contrast, color, or resolution for higher brightness to drive larger screen sizes.
I am ready to pull a trigger for the RS3000 with DCR lens setup. Right now I have a Stewart Studiotek 1.3 2.35 curved 128 diagonal screen. What Do You think about this setup. Should I invest in new flat screen, I am little bit concerned about the size as well, should I go smaller screen size? My theatre is absolutely light controlled, dark walls as well.I have a 128" scope StudioTek 130 and a DCR lens ( and an RS4500 ). It's the perfect size and perfect screen in my opinion, for excellent HDR .
Thanks for the advice
So now is the question to upgrade to flat screen instead of curved?If using a DCR lens, yes.
The projector would be mounted 19 feet from the screenPlenty of throw for the DCR lens. Your throw range would be 1.9 and 1.4 is the minimum, so no problems to use DCR with your setup.
Yeah, I agree. It's the best image quality I've personally seen from a projector. And dare I say, the best image for movie content a consumer can currently get for less than $100,000. In my opinion, there's really only two projectors that a consumer can purchase that will offer a better image starting at that $100K mark with the Sim2 HDR Duo Plus and then the Christie Eclipse. I talk a bit about this in my review. There are other projectors more expensive than the NX9/RS3000, but they trade contrast, color, or resolution for higher brightness to drive larger screen sizes.When is your review out ?
When is your review out ?I'm pretty sure it will be published on the 21st this month. I'll post a link here when it comes out.
Respect your opinion, but after putting 3 NX9,s up against other PJ,s i do disagree with you here.....
I say the RS3000/NX9 is the best image a consumer can get right now for less than $100,000. Pair this projector with an appropriately sized screen and you will own the best image for movies under $100,000.
Respect your opinion, but after putting 3 NX9,s up against other PJ,s i do disagree with you here.....Which projector? The RS4500?
Which projector? The RS4500?
Yes, this is of course my opinion. My review sample measured in very close to the last gen eshift models in terms of contrast (37,016:1 iris open native and 462,700:1 dynamic). This played a huge role in me forming that opinion. Plus the unit only lost 5% of it's light output to get P3 color. Light output was ~1800 max P3 lumens. Looking at the RS4500, to get full P3 color saturation, you're looking at around only 1500 max lumens. Plus I feel 8K eshift does offer a subjective increase in image quality and no other projector has this feature. Then there's the DTM software. The RS4500 is beat in native contrast, seems to be matched in dynamic contrast, beat in P3 color light output, and lacks 8K and DTM at the moment compared to the NX9. I'm not picking on the RS4500. Its to be expected for a manufacturer to improve performance several years after a flagship model has been released. There are still a few aspects to the RS4500 potential buyers may want (more filter-less light output and the stability of a laser light source), but again, I think these come with a trade-off for contrast performance and color saturation and a few other missing features beneficial to image quality.
So I don't know what other projector would offer a better overall experience for movie viewing. None of the Sony models I've seen come anywhere close. I know you've said you liked the BenQ LK990, or was it the LK970? My experience with the LK990 was pretty bad overall. Yes, it had a sharp image and was bright as long as you didn't care about image accuracy, but its contrast performance was god awful to the point where I don't think these other strengths made up for this deficiency.
I'm will to give up a bit of contrast to never deal with lamps or lamp strikes - that's for sure. But you can't beat the RS3000 for the price ! Now where is that review ! ;)I agree. The laser will be a feature some will pay more for. But I'm talking best image quality for movies. The laser/phosphor light source doesn't really play into that. The RS3000 will have a substantial contrast lead with real world video content and a bump in image brightness for full P3 color saturation and 8K eshift does make a noticeable improvement. DTM is also huge for those who don't have a lumagen or madVR.
My JVC DLA-NX9/RS3000 review has been published:Nice review. I think the RS3000/NX9 is one fantastic projector for the money.
https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dla-nx9-8k-d-ila-projector-reviewed/
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully.Same here. I just put in a movie and watch it. :)
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all.
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully.Yeah, icing on the cake would have been a laser light source, but, like I said in the review, I think that would have all but killed sales for the RS4500. Unless you watch your projector like a TV, ie many hours per day, bulbs are still okay. Until they go to direct RGB laser, I can't see much benefit in terms of image quality that a laser/phosphor light source brings other than perhaps some new dynamic contrast capabilities that the current lens iris lacks (full fade to black and slightly faster reaction time). But the physical iris JVC uses on the bulb units is mighty impressive in how smooth and transparent it works. I'm very sensitive to dynamic irises and even still I may only notice it working once or twice throughout an entire movie, sometimes not at all. My guests don't notice at all, or at least none of them have said anything. Overall, the DI implementation is one of the best you get at the moment in any display. @ArrowAV says the DI in the $100K Sim2 Duo Plus is even more transparent in operation, but I haven't seen it personally.
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all.
Yeah, icing on the cake would have been a laser light source, but, like I said in the review, I think that would have all but killed sales for the RS4500. Unless you watch your projector like a TV, ie many hours per day, bulbs are still okay. Until they go to direct RGB laser, I can't see much benefit in terms of image quality that a laser/phosphor light source brings other than perhaps some new dynamic contrast capabilities that the current lens iris lacks (full fade to black and slightly faster reaction time). But the physical iris JVC uses on the bulb units is mighty impressive in how smooth and transparent it works. I'm very sensitive to dynamic irises and even still I may only notice it working once or twice throughout an entire movie, sometimes not at all. My guests don't notice at all, or at least none of them have said anything. Overall, the DI implementation is one of the best you get at the moment in any display. @ArrowAV says the DI in the $100K Sim2 Duo Plus is even more transparent in operation, but I haven't seen it personally.I agree Dylan the DI on the JVC works well. I don’t watch TV on my JVC just a movie a night at times ( I have a large selection of 4k UHD Discs ).
I've had this NX9 for about 3 months now and I still have less than 100 hours on it. I've watched 2-3 movies a week on it. At this rate, especially with the extra bulb I have, I won't need to purchase a new bulb before I end up selling it in a few years.
I am afraid is doesnt/wont work like that...:(
I know it’s only 8K e-Shift ( I’m aware their is no 8k input ) but once 8k material comes out I will just manually select it on and wah lah we have 8K. :)
NX9 B-stocks just arrived.I've got $82 in my wallet right now...Deal or No Deal? :D
how about a trade... I have a case of toilet paper and a 3 pack of lysol wipesI'll see you and raise a pump bottle of Purell!
Hi allFrank,
Tonight I started to watch a Blu ray on my panny ub 420 and when pressing skip on the trailers I noticed the dreaded green vertical bars. Now I’m on the latest firmware I was under the impression it was fixed. I have a marantz av8805 and only have 190 hours on projector. I did turn off system and then turned back on again and it was gone. Just finished watching the Blu ray( not 4k just a standard Blu ray )
Now atm it’s not worth taking it too service because if they can’t replicate the issue they will not do anything. I’m hoping someone has any ideas as to why it’s happened. Is it due to having a marantz ? Panasonic or are they still trying to find a fix ?
Cheers
Frank,Hi Dave
Most likely it was just a HDMI hiccup. I don't get green bars on my unit (thankfully), but sometimes the HDMI sync loses contact with my Tivo Edge when fast forwarding and it takes about 2 seconds to gain a lock again while the screen goes black.
Hi Dave
Thats what I thought as well. I will have to keep an eye on it but when turning off and on it seemed to work. Next time will try turning off a few other things first , even change the input on the marantz to see what happens.
Thanks Mate
take care btw with this corona virus tried to go shopping with wife for groceries people are panicking. Never seen anything like it.
Hi DaveWe are stocked up on food but aren't panicking. Hell, we have 13 packs of toilet paper (6 rolls per pack), so I figure we're safe for at least 8 months :)
Thats what I thought as well. I will have to keep an eye on it but when turning off and on it seemed to work. Next time will try turning off a few other things first , even change the input on the marantz to see what happens.
Thanks Mate
take care btw with this corona virus tried to go shopping with wife for groceries people are panicking. Never seen anything like it.
I have seen green lines when fast forwarding on my RS3000.Did the green lines then stay on Mike ? All I pressed skip for the trailers and then I had green lines. When I turned system off and on ( that’s everything ) no green lines but this time I didn’t skip trailers and everything seemed fine.
Maybe try changing the projector HDMI inputs and then back again.Will do thanks Craig.
I'm about to go to the grocery store - we will see how it is. My wife is going to brave Costco ! :-X
We are stocked up on food but aren't panicking. Hell, we have 13 packs of toilet paper (6 rolls per pack), so I figure we're safe for at least 8 months :)That pneumonia scares me. I don’t smoke but I heard it’s nasty.
On a more serious note, I personally believe the virus has been in the US since early January, if not December. I have two coworkers who both were sick in mid January with the exact symptoms of the virus and missed over a week of work each...both recovered. The doctors didn't know what to test for and told them it was pneumonia.
Did the green lines then stay on Mike ? All I pressed skip for the trailers and then I had green lines. When I turned system off and on ( that’s everything ) no green lines but this time I didn’t skip trailers and everything seemed fine.No, just saw the lines while fast forwarding.
I got some first hand experience with the green line issue at CEDIA in the fall. The MartinLogan booth showing off their new in-wall surround system was using an RS3000 for video. About 6 hours into the first day, their unit got the problem. I wonder if they walked across the show floor and asked the JVC reps to explain what was happening. ;DI spoke to JVC AUSTRALIA and they told me that JVC records up too 50hrs so if their is an issue the technicians are able to find out. Not sure wether that is true or not. I was also told it could be Hdmi or source.
I got some first hand experience with the green line issue at CEDIA in the fall. The MartinLogan booth showing off their new in-wall surround system was using an RS3000 for video. About 6 hours into the first day, their unit got the problem. I wonder if they walked across the show floor and asked the JVC reps to explain what was happening. ;DWould love to know what they said the them and their response :)
I spoke to JVC AUSTRALIA and they told me that JVC records up too 50hrs so if their is an issue the technicians are able to find out. Not sure wether that is true or not. I was also told it could be Hdmi or source.I'm assuming you mean some sort of "black box" type of log that records everything for the past 50 hours? If I had to guess, I doubt the projector is aware of an issue though. I say that because you'd think the projector would shut down and give you some sort of blinking light indication that there is a display issue.
I'm assuming you mean some sort of "black box" type of log that records everything for the past 50 hours? If I had to guess, I doubt the projector is aware of an issue though. I say that because you'd think the projector would shut down and give you some sort of blinking light indication that there is a display issue.Thought that was good to be true. He mentioned that when I told him I wouldn’t be able recreate the experience again as it’s intermittent.
I remember having a similar issue with an X500. I had vertical lines, but I forget what color they were. When I sent it in to Mendtronix under warranty, they replaced one of the boards to fix the problem. It wasn't an issue with the DiLA chips or light engine.
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Guys, be on the lookout for some pretty amazing deals on eBay for 1080p 3-chip DLP projectors and some of the higher-end single chip DLPs, like the LED-based Runco Q750. I bought a Runco VX-11D ($30,000 MSRP at launch) for $150. Shipping was nearly the same amount of money, but still, for a measly $300 total, this was a great purchase. I even bought a new OEM lamp from ebay for $30, bringing this projector back to full brightness.
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AH! Your backup projector!:) ;)
Back to the good old days on the other forum, where you bought used projectors tested them and provided interesting reports? 8)
You'll need your on personal thread for that! 8)
Rob, Sony is sending me a VPL-VW995ES to review. So I can provide some interesting info on that when it arrives either today or tomorrow. :)
Hopefully it won't have banding like the VW695 we saw in Denver. :-XI never got the opportunity to visit the Sony booth. Or was the 695ES setup elsewhere?
I never got the opportunity to visit the Sony booth. Or was the 695ES setup elsewhere?Denver a week ago. https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0 (https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0)
Denver a week ago. https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0 (https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=2384.0)DOH! I thought you were talking about CEDIA.
Rob, Sony is sending me a VPL-VW995ES to review. So I can provide some interesting info on that when it arrives either today or tomorrow. :)I'll be *real* interested in hearing your thoughts, observations and impressions on it vs your JVC RS3000. I'd also welcome any comments on the Sony vs the RS2000 (I think you no longer have it around, but at least based on your memory, and whatever testing/photos you did).
DOH! I thought you were talking about CEDIA.It was really interesting going back and forth between the RS1000 and the VW655, but now I see why they didn't use an RS2000 - that would have been an unfair fight.
It was really interesting going back and forth between the RS1000 and the VW655, but now I see why they didn't use an RS2000 - that would have been an unfair fight.Yeah, we'll have to see how the 995ES fares. For the price, I'm expecting something closer in performance to my nearly half-the-cost NX9/RS3000. The 995ES should be here today. Just in time for a nice long weekend of "shelter in place" movie viewing in the theater.
Yeah, we'll have to see how the 995ES fares. For the price, I'm expecting something closer in performance to my nearly half-the-cost NX9/RS3000. The 995ES should be here today. Just in time for a nice long weekend of "shelter in place" movie viewing in the theater.Since my wife can't go to conferences or meetings, I might get her caught up on new ( and not so new ) movies. I have 23 films she hasn't seen just for starters ! So yes - glad I have a theater !
With everything closed and nothing to do but stay inside during this crisis, who else is glad they own a theater in their house?
Having some fun swapping between these projectors today to do some comparisons for my 995ES review.It could also be the light path. The 4500 and the RS3000 use the same lens and yet the 4500 with test patterns looks tiny bit better on average. JVC said the light path in the 4500 is slightly more optimized than the light path in the 3000.
This picture had to be taken for sheer awesomeness. Sony VPL-VW995ES on top, JVC DLA-NX9 in the middle, and Runco VX-11D on the bottom:(https://i.imgur.com/9syXulo.jpg)
The Sony is mighty impressive. But I have to keep in mind the huge price difference between it and the NX9. I'd say the 995ES has a very slight edge in lens quality. Or it's just unit to unit variance. It seems to have just a slight edge focusing down on pixels more. But we're splitting hairs here. Both have a great lens. I have basically every processing feature turned off. Reality Creation, digital focus optimizer, ect. It is NOT needed with this projector. The amazing lens gives you all the sharpness you could ever ask for, without the negative side effects these digital sharpeners have on the image.
To be able to use the dual iris/contrast system, you're forced to use "Full" mode, which turns off the laser for an all black screen. I just don't think the next level up past black is dark enough to do the fade to black convincingly. It's plainly obvious sometimes that there is a dynamic contrast system in use, which can't be said with the JVC in most cases. I do think JVC has surpassed Sony when it comes to dynamic contrast systems, at least for the present. I just see less signs of a dynamic contrast system when watching the NX9.
Above black, with mixed APL content, the 995ES looks marvelous. Tons of pop. Better than my NX9. A bit more of that "looking through a window" quality. Banding/posterization isn't as bad as it used to be. As good as the 695ES I reviewed last year. I still don't think it should be an issue, especially for a $35,000 projector, but at least it isn't as bad as it used to be.
The NX9 does 24p cadence better. There's more noticeable 24p judder on the Sony, so pans are smoother on the NX9.
More to come in my review.
Having some fun swapping between these projectors today to do some comparisons for my 995ES review.Looks like you got a winner their :) I agree with the tons of pop ( beauty of laser ) but I found the dark scenes is where they failed. Well mine did I had macro blocking and spent a lot of time tweaking it, especially with the Panasonic UB9000. Like the JVC these units are like lottery tickets hope you get a winner :)
This picture had to be taken for sheer awesomeness. Sony VPL-VW995ES on top, JVC DLA-NX9 in the middle, and Runco VX-11D on the bottom:(https://i.imgur.com/9syXulo.jpg)
The Sony is mighty impressive. But I have to keep in mind the huge price difference between it and the NX9. I'd say the 995ES has a very slight edge in lens quality. Or it's just unit to unit variance. It seems to have just a slight edge focusing down on pixels more. But we're splitting hairs here. Both have a great lens. I have basically every processing feature turned off. Reality Creation, digital focus optimizer, ect. It is NOT needed with this projector. The amazing lens gives you all the sharpness you could ever ask for, without the negative side effects these digital sharpeners have on the image.
To be able to use the dual iris/contrast system, you're forced to use "Full" mode, which turns off the laser for an all black screen. I just don't think the next level up past black is dark enough to do the fade to black convincingly. It's plainly obvious sometimes that there is a dynamic contrast system in use, which can't be said with the JVC in most cases. I do think JVC has surpassed Sony when it comes to dynamic contrast systems, at least for the present. I just see less signs of a dynamic contrast system when watching the NX9.
Above black, with mixed APL content, the 995ES looks marvelous. Tons of pop. Better than my NX9. A bit more of that "looking through a window" quality. Banding/posterization isn't as bad as it used to be. As good as the 695ES I reviewed last year. I still don't think it should be an issue, especially for a $35,000 projector, but at least it isn't as bad as it used to be.
The NX9 does 24p cadence better. There's more noticeable 24p judder on the Sony, so pans are smoother on the NX9.
More to come in my review.
It could also be the light path. The 4500 and the RS3000 use the same lens and yet the 4500 with test patterns looks tiny bit better on average. JVC said the light path in the 4500 is slightly more optimized than the light path in the 3000.Could be, though I'm up close to the screen pixel peeping. From a seated distance back, I don't think it's really possible to discern the difference in lens sharpness with video content.
Could be, though I'm up close to the screen pixel peeping. From a seated distance back, I don't think it's really possible to discern the difference in lens sharpness with video content.Exact same thing when looking at the RS4500 and the RS3000 and they have the same lens. Only difference is the light path. Only way to see any difference is pixel peeping test patterns.
Looks like you got a winner their :) I agree with the tons of pop ( beauty of laser ) but I found the dark scenes is where they failed. Well mine did I had macro blocking and spent a lot of time tweaking it, especially with the Panasonic UB9000. Like the JVC these units are like lottery tickets hope you get a winner :)Yeah the Sony has a few quirks that need to be fixed, especially with HDR content. I think the macroblocking is a known issue that Sony will hopefully fix with a firmware update. I think anyone buying a 995ES should also purchase a Lumagen Pro or madVR Envy. That's the only way to get the most out of the projector. Normally I'd say that was a ridiculous prerequisite, but the additional cost is much smaller in relative terms than if it were required with a cheaper projector. If you have the cash for a 995ES, you probably have the cash for one of these video processors too. Plus, if you're spending this kind of cash on a projector, even if it offered a similar JVC DTM mode, these outboard processors are still better.
Yeah the Sony has a few quirks that need to be fixed, especially with HDR content. I think the macroblocking is a known issue that Sony will hopefully fix with a firmware update. I think anyone buying a 995ES should also purchase a Lumagen Pro or madVR Envy. That's the only way to get the most out of the projector. Normally I'd say that was a ridiculous prerequisite, but the additional cost is much smaller in relative terms than if it were required with a cheaper projector. If you have the cash for a 995ES, you probably have the cash for one of these video processors too. Plus, if you're spending this kind of cash on a projector, even if it offered a similar JVC DTM mode, these outboard processors are still better.I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy. One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy. One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.Wouldn’t have a clue where to start and what I need. Ive got close too 400 4K UHD discs I would use it as a stand alone Blu ray player. I’ll have to look into some time. :)
The HTPC will not take care of your streaming needs.That depends on usage. Personally, I only watch Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray in the theater. If I were to stream JVC's DTM would more than suffice. Streaming only happens upstairs in my living room on the OLED.
That depends on usage. Personally, I only watch Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray in the theater. If I were to stream JVC's DTM would more than suffice. Streaming only happens upstairs in my living room on the OLED.I’m the same just 4K UHD Blu Rays in my theatre. Tv shows in the lounge room.
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.For less than $500 and being able to use my 820 player (as I just watch discs), this is mightily tempting.
I’m the same just 4K UHD Blu Rays in my theatre. Tv shows in the lounge room.So you’re happy to watch The Irishman on the small screen, but prefer to watch Goodfellas on the big screen?
So you’re happy to watch The Irishman on the small screen, but prefer to watch Goodfellas on the big screen?I barley watch tv shows. Never seen Game of thrones etc. Ive got plenty of Blu ray and 4K UHD disks to keep me entertained. The ones I watch on tv is usually the ones I watch with my kids.
This distinction doesn’t make sense anymore, and will make less and less sense in the future, especially in the aftermath of Covid19. A lot of movies will go online directly, and some might never get a UHD Bluray release, or much later than usual, to give Netflix a long enough window. Many filmmakers and storytellers are given more creative freedom (for better or worse) with the online players, and will make their films there rather than with the studios.
There was a time when you could say there was crappy TV content on streaming and better movie content on disc, but it’s not true anymore.
I want to watch The Irishman, Marriage Story, Bird Box, Killing Eve, Uncut Gems, Big Little Lies, Stranger Things, Dark and many other exclusives on the big screen and with the best possible sound and picture quality. Taste apart, they are just as worthy of getting the big screen and big audio treatment as anything else you can get on UHD Bluray, even if unfortunately streaming quality for both audio and video isn’t there yet.
I barley watch tv shows. Never seen Game of thrones etc. Ive got plenty of Blu ray and 4K UHD disks to keep me entertained. The ones I watch on tv is usually the ones I watch with my kids.Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)
edit: Actually Manni not sure why with the hostile response. Ive never argued or commented on what people watch on their projector.
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)All good Manni
It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.
So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.
So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.
Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)
Apologies if it came across as hostile, that wasn't the intention. :)
It's just that often people make a distinction between streaming content and disc content that simply isn't true anymore, and this is going to change even more after COVID19. I'm not talking just about TV Shows, I'm talking about movies as well (this is why I mentioned The Irishman, Marriage Story, Uncut Gems, etc). There are no movies made anymore due to COVID19, and there are no cinema open. No one knows how long this will last, but what's for sure is that the online audience is still there, while the cinema audience is gone.
So I wasn't arguing about what you should watch on your projector or your TV, I was just saying that deciding which content should go on the small screen or the big screen has little to do with whether the source is streaming or not. there are more and more movies exclusive to streaming released today, and it will probably be more and more the case.
So unless you don't mind watching movies (such as the ones I listed above) on the small screen, you need something to stream them in the cinema room as well. As Mike said, a HTPC doesn't take care of streaming needs, and there are more and more movies on streaming.
Apologies again if my post came across as confrontational. :)
I’m sure an outboard processor is better but I’m very happy with the results with the JVC DTM. On a 117” 2:37:1 Stewart scope the JVC gives impressive results. The Sony looked awesome as well just the dark scenes was a struggle. Unfortunately I’m not going to spend $12KAU for a lumagen or a MADvr Envy. One day maybe, but for now I’m enjoying the JVC DTM.Of course, you could always try the Dolby Vision/LLDV hack by using an HDFury Vertex, Vertex2, Diva, Maestro, etc. to trick your sources (Sony X700, X800M2; Oppo 203, 205; AppleTV 4K, etc.) into sending their Dolby Vision Profile 5 Low Latency Dolby Vision (LLDV) signal to your display, which needs to be set to it's HDR/ST2084 curve mode to display properly. The resultant image is incredible on HDR10 only displays, such as a projector.
Of course, you could always try the Dolby Vision/LLDV hack by using an HDFury Vertex, Vertex2, Diva, Maestro, etc. to trick your sources (Sony X700, X800M2; Oppo 203, 205; AppleTV 4K, etc.) into sending their Dolby Vision Profile 5 Low Latency Dolby Vision (LLDV) signal to your display, which needs to be set to it's HDR/ST2084 curve mode to display properly. The resultant image is incredible on HDR10 only displays, such as a projector.Thanks for that I will have a read.
Each of those sources can also convert HDR10 and SDR HD video to LLDV as well and the results, when setup correctly, are amazing! The AppleTV 4K works great for this. Other sources such as the Panasonic UB820/9000, nVidia Shield Pro, Pioneer LX500 can send LLDV when they play a native DV file, but can't convert HDR10 or SDR HD.
This is extremely inexpensive in comparison to buying a Lumagen Radiance Pro or Envy, for those that can't afford or aren't willing to spend that much. It is well worth the small costs and relatively painless setup and tweaking to get an awesome image on that large screen!
I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/ (https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1
Another option would be to build or buy a HTPC. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Envy. I think I put together a PC powerful enough for less than $500. Well worth the investment for any $10,000+ projector. You don't even need to rip discs if you don't want to, they can be played back back right from the disc tray. It would work like a standalone blu-ray player.Hi Dylan, would you please share how to play discs on PC without ripping them first? I ripped hundreds of UHDs to my PC and got tired of it, so I went back to my UB820. Thanks!
Hi Dylan, would you please share how to play discs on PC without ripping them first? I ripped hundreds of UHDs to my PC and got tired of it, so I went back to my UB820. Thanks!There's about a half dozen UltraHD Blu-ray friendly disc drives out there. I use an LG BH16NS40. But you need to flash an older firmware onto the drive (newer firmwares prevent the discs from being read). It's easy to do. The firmware files are available online with a quick Google search. Then you use a program like AnyDVD HD to decrypt the disc. You can set the program to automatically decrypt a disc when a new disc is detected in the drive. Once decrypted, any application can now read from the disc. So I just tell Windows to open the disc with my media player when a new disc is detected in the drive, which subsequently starts playback of the movie. So, after ticking a few boxes within these apps and in Windows, playback is just like a standalone player, but with the added benefit of madVR. Just pop the disc in and enjoy.
There's about a half dozen UltraHD Blu-ray friendly disc drives out there. I use an LG BH16NS40. But you need to flash an older firmware onto the drive (newer firmwares prevent the discs from being read). It's easy to do. The firmware files are available online with a quick Google search. Then you use a program like AnyDVD HD to decrypt the disc. You can set the program to automatically decrypt a disc when a new disc is detected in the drive. Once decrypted, any application can now read from the disc. So I just tell Windows to open the disc with my media player when a new disc is detected in the drive, which subsequently starts playback of the movie. So, after ticking a few boxes within these apps and in Windows, playback is just like a standalone player, but with the added benefit of madVR. Just pop the disc in and enjoy.Thanks a lot! I have the same disc drive (firmware flashed), I have been using it for ripping. I will definitely try it out to play discs.
Of course, you could always try the Dolby Vision/LLDV hack by using an HDFury Vertex, Vertex2, Diva, Maestro, etc. to trick your sources (Sony X700, X800M2; Oppo 203, 205; AppleTV 4K, etc.) into sending their Dolby Vision Profile 5 Low Latency Dolby Vision (LLDV) signal to your display, which needs to be set to it's HDR/ST2084 curve mode to display properly. The resultant image is incredible on HDR10 only displays, such as a projector.Ive had a read this sounds very promising. I might look into that. Thank you for that. :)
Each of those sources can also convert HDR10 and SDR HD video to LLDV as well and the results, when setup correctly, are amazing! The AppleTV 4K works great for this. Other sources such as the Panasonic UB820/9000, nVidia Shield Pro, Pioneer LX500 can send LLDV when they play a native DV file, but can't convert HDR10 or SDR HD.
This is extremely inexpensive in comparison to buying a Lumagen Radiance Pro or Envy, for those that can't afford or aren't willing to spend that much. It is well worth the small costs and relatively painless setup and tweaking to get an awesome image on that large screen!
I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/ (https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1
Ive had a read this sounds very promising. I might look into that. Thank you for that. :)
Have you had a chance to give it a go yet, @Franin?Not yet. I’m looking at purchasing the unit. Sounds very promising :)
Not yet. I’m looking at purchasing the unit. Sounds very promising :)OK cool. If you mean you're purchasing an HDFury Vertex, then I have one available if you want to try it out first? Just pay for shipping and I will send it over. If you like it, then you can keep it and just pay me whatever is the going rate for those on average on maybe eBay. If not just send it back. :)
OK cool. If you mean you're purchasing an HDFury Vertex, then I have one available if you want to try it out first? Just pay for shipping and I will send it over. If you like it, then you can keep it and just pay me whatever is the going rate for those on average on maybe eBay. If not just send it back. :)I will by using it with a NX9 will that cause any issues ? I will be curious to see how that goes up against its own DTM.
You can get better results using the Vertex2, Diva or Maestro since you can do custom Dolby Vision Strings in their respective GUIs, but you may not need that if the stock Sony A1 OLED EDID works for you. Some have reported some red push using that EDID, but there are easy ways now to alleviate that too.
I think there's also a way to have someone with a Vertex2, Diva or Maestro to create and copy their Custom DV Strings/EDID and send them over to someone with a Vertex which they can then just upload to a custom slot for use in the same manner. I will have to check that out. I could possibly load a custom one in for you from my Vertex2 before shipping.
The latest "discussions" ;) involve the use of a 10,000 nit Custom DV String, which many can't seem to wrap their heads around even though it provides an amazing result. It seems it may be source and display/projector dependent, but we are in the process of figuring it all out now. Hopefully we come to a conclusion soon.
I will by using it with a NX9 will that cause any issues ? I will be curious to see how that goes up against its own DTM.
In that case you're probably better off just using this LLDV mod for playing native Dolby Vision discs and streaming only and then keep using the NX9's DTM for regular HDR10 and SDR HD Blurays and HDTV. I haven't had the pleasure of checking out JVC's latest projector FW that is providing DTM, so maybe once you get your Vertex you can compare that vs the conversion of those non-DV sources to LLDV and let us know?So the 4K UHD discs that I have with Dolby Vision using the LLDV Mod will actually do DV scene by Scene ? If you have to input the nit value ? is that correct ?
I think your results for DV material will be awesome on an incredible projector like the NX9!
So the 4K UHD discs that I have with Dolby Vision using the LLDV Mod will actually do DV scene by Scene ? If you have to input the nit value ? is that correct ?
Yes, they will play the Dolby Vision version that is encoded on those discs and also for any streaming Dolby Vision sources like those from Netflix, Vudu, AppleTV+, Disney+, etc. It just converts the native Dolby Vision video files on the disc or stream to what is known as its Dolby Vision Profile 5 version, LLDV (Low Latency Dolby Vision). This is the same version used by Sony players and displays. It creates a signal that is basically an HDR ST2084 YCbCr compatible one, which any HDR10 compatible display or projector can display. Think of it as Dolby Vision/LLDV in an HDR10/ST2084 "container", similar to what people think of with UHD HDR Blu-Rays using DCI-P3 inside BT2020 color gamuts.That sound quiet good I think I’d rather go for the vertex 2.
The easiest thing to try nit wise is just use the default EDID 5 in the HDFury device, which is for the Sony A1 OLED. It's peak luminance is about 700 nits, so people are reporting that their stock or custom 1,000 nit HDR curves are working well with this, other than the red push as seen on faces, but as I said there's some easy work arounds for that now, especially with JVCs where they use some people like Mark Swift and Dominic Chan's custom profiles I believe. You will have to ask them for details as I don't have a JVC any longer.
If you get something higher up like the Vertex2, Diva or Maestro, then you can try the custom DV strings which offer more variables. I would just try the Sony A1 EDID at first, until you get more familiar with what is going on and how you can tweak it further though.
So the 4K UHD discs that I have with Dolby Vision using the LLDV Mod will actually do DV scene by Scene ? If you have to input the nit value ? is that correct ?Dolby Vision overlays a standard gamma curve. Which is what Panasonic, MadVR and Lumagen do. This LLDV method is overlapping a dynamic tone map onto a static one. So it is not the same thing as Dolby Vision.
Dolby Vision overlays a standard gamma curve. Which is what Panasonic, MadVR and Lumagen do. This LLDV method is overlapping a dynamic tone map onto a static one. So it is not the same thing as Dolby Vision.
Yes it is! LLDV is Profile 5 of the DOLBY VISION Standard Mike!Proof that it is the same as Dolby Vision? I think that is up to you to prove, not me to disprove. The content being sent to the player is static. The player is then applying its own dynamic tone mapping to the content.
You’re just telling your display to use an ST2084 curve because that’s EXACTLY what DolbyVision/LLDV uses!
Please provide proof of what you’re saying.
Proof that it is the same as Dolby Vision? I think that is up to you to prove, not me to disprove. The content being sent to the player is static. The player is then applying its own dynamic tone mapping to the content.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you say at one time you liked to apply HDR color mapping to SDR content?
Looking at the specs, Dolby indicates that Profile 5 has no enhancement layer. This means it's not providing dynamic tonemapping to the image. Basically, all you're getting is HDR10. What's the point in using this if HDR10 is available elsewhere? This seems like one of those bistreaming vs LPCM arguments. Profile 5 is how Netflix and other streaming services convert SDR to HDR, not add on to an existing HDR image.This is the only time it can be thought of as an "enhancement layer". In the end, you're still just getting HDR10 with nothing extra. I don't see the appeal here. Am I missing something?
Edit:
From:https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-profiles-levels.pdf (https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-profiles-levels.pdf)
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I have a Vertex and Panasonic 820, so I could do this with my RS2000, right? Now I just need the time to implement it and test. Can you point me to a post that has the instructions on what the settings need to be in the player, Vertex, and projector so I don't have to reinvent the wheel?
Thanks!
HarperVision said:
I highly suggest you read these links for more info and reviews:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/ (https://www.avforums.com/threads/dolby-vision-including-hdr10-conversion-w-dtm-on-projectors-yes.2254350/)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1 (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=58724442#/topics/3097934?page=1)
I have a Vertex and Panasonic 820, so I could do this with my RS2000, right? Now I just need the time to implement it and test. Can you point me to a post that has the instructions on what the settings need to be in the player, Vertex, and projector so I don't have to reinvent the wheel?Hey Dave
Thanks!
Links are already in the post I made before, here:I probably won't get to this until later this week, but thanks for the help. I ended up getting rid of my Oppo in order to get the original tone mapping from the Panasonic. Bad move by me :( I'll give it a go with the 820 though.
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=1891.msg16561#msg16561
I would maybe just read the first few posts in those threads to get the basic premise, but then skip to the end and work back, finding the latest HDFury settings to try and skipping all the initial ones that ended up being superseded.
An easy start though is if you have just an original Vertex is to select the Custom EDID 5 on the Vertex, which is for a Sony A1 OLED, which has this LLDV capability. When placed between your UB820 and AVR/RS2000, it will trick your UB820 into thinking it is connected to the Sony A1 so it will allow you to engage its Dolby Vision mode and and since it will sense as if you have a "Sony A1", it will use its built in LLDV processing instead of sending the RGB 8 bit FEL/MEL disguised DV signal.
One thing with the UB820 is that it won't convert any HDR10 or SDR HD to LLDV, which when setup properly can also look incredible when converted. The UB820/9000 or Pioneer LX-500 can only process the native Dolby Vision sources to LLDV. You would need something like an Oppo UDP-203/205 or Sony X700 or X800M2 to convert all sources, because they have options to force DV.
I probably won't get to this until later this week, but thanks for the help. I ended up getting rid of my Oppo in order to get the original tone mapping from the Panasonic. Bad move by me :( I'll give it a go with the 820 though.
Thanks again!
Sounds good. I look forward to hearing your thoughts about it.Turns out the the Vertex doesn't have a Macro option for Dolby Vision, so you have to manually select the input (bummer). Regardless, I've downloaded the latest firmware and the BT2020 EDID profile, but I'm not sure where/how to load that, plus I'm not sure which boxes I need to "check" to get the proper output. If I'm reading it correctly, using the Sony EDID creates red push, which I don't want to have to calibrate out, if possible, so I'd like to test this manually to see if it's worth ordering a Vertex 2 to replace my current Vertex. Any chance you can post a screenshot or I can PM my email address so I can see how you have your Vertex (or Vertex 2) configured?
Turns out the the Vertex doesn't have a Macro option for Dolby Vision, so you have to manually select the input (bummer). Regardless, I've downloaded the latest firmware and the BT2020 EDID profile, but I'm not sure where/how to load that, plus I'm not sure which boxes I need to "check" to get the proper output. If I'm reading it correctly, using the Sony EDID creates red push, which I don't want to have to calibrate out, if possible, so I'd like to test this manually to see if it's worth ordering a Vertex 2 to replace my current Vertex. Any chance you can post a screenshot or I can PM my email address so I can see how you have your Vertex (or Vertex 2) configured?
Thanks....yes, Claw has been helping me out. I'll be able to test it tonight, but I need to ensure that there's an option on the macro screen in regard to a Dolby Vision signal...without that, it's a deal breaker (assuming everything looks good in my tests).
I saw that and it's awesome! In my humble opinion, buying a Vertex2 is WELL worth it for what this mod provides for all sources, especially being able to get DV on home projectors and displays that otherwise only do HDR10. I had a Lumagen Radiance Pro here just before discovering this mod (which after I sold it is actually the reason I DID discover this, haha!). In all honesty, I kind of like this more overall than the RP. I like the resultant image it gives me with all sources. The image just looks more "real" to me, especially things like faces, skin and foliage. The DTM seems to be as good or better than what I had with the RP too, but for perspective it was an earlier version of FW and I haven't had the pleasure of being able to do a side by side.....yet!I own a sony x700 and a Sony X800 4k UHD Blu Ray. So definitely looking forward in getting a vertex 2
Sure, if I had the funds to have a RP or Envy, I certainly would without question, but if my budget and funds were limited I would sacrifice in other areas just to get an HDFury Vertex2, Diva or Maestro, a Sony X800M2 or X1100ES and an AppleTV for MUCH less than what either of those video processors cost and then get as good or better appearing video conversions, plus the immense added bonus of Dolby Vision capabilities!
Another note, I would also keep abreast of the AV Forums link about this too. It has some different perspectives and tweaks there that don't seem to get mentioned or given the respect that they deserve over on AVSF, when being tried properly. It could be due to the fact that most there are doing it with JVC projectors and some Sonys. People have reported great results using a 10,000 nit DV String on their Sonys, the same as what I use on my LK990, but JVC owners report different results. To me it's because they're using custom curves based on an SDR/BT2020 input, as converted in a UB820 or Lumagen. I would have to have one to try it to be sure of course.
Good Luck and please don't hesitate to email or PM me if you have any questions. We should probably start a dedicated thread here so we don't clog this one with LLDV talk. If anyone agrees and would participate to make it worth it, let me know.
I own a sony x700 and a Sony X800 4k UHD Blu Ray. So definitely looking forward in getting a vertex 2
Just remember, the older original X800 and X1000ES don't do Dolby Vision. Only the X700, X800M2 and X1100ES do.Okay cheers mate 👍
People have reported great results using a 10,000 nit DV String on their Sonys, the same as what I use on my LK990, but JVC owners report different results. To me it's because they're using custom curves based on an SDR/BT2020 input, as converted in a UB820 or Lumagen.
Finally got around to watching 1917 last night. The NX9 did NOT disappoint. Really impressed with how it handled this film.
We did a double feature of The Shinning and Doctor Sleep (both on UHD) and I have to admit that I can't remember ever seeing such a beautiful image for The Shinning and Doctor Sleep had scenes that were just like looking out a window...crystal clear.That double feature is on my agenda. Soon !
We did a double feature of The Shinning and Doctor Sleep (both on UHD) and I have to admit that I can't remember ever seeing such a beautiful image for The Shinning and Doctor Sleep had scenes that were just like looking out a window...crystal clear....and there's Rebecca Ferguson. ;)
...and there's Rebecca Ferguson. ;)
Mike,Not Mike, but yes, the new firmware will work for you. Very nice setup and Kris will do a fantastic job for you. He's one of the best out there.
How will the new firmware work for the RS3000, 2:40 scope screen, Panamorph lens and Lumagen? I'm finishing my theater renovation now so haven't unboxed or mounted the new projector yet but hopefully I'll be able to do that in the next 10 days to 2 weeks. I'm very excited about the new video capability including what I know was a masterful calibration from Kris Deering.
Brent
Mike,
How will the new firmware work for the RS3000, 2:40 scope screen, Panamorph lens and Lumagen? I'm finishing my theater renovation now so haven't unboxed or mounted the new projector yet but hopefully I'll be able to do that in the next 10 days to 2 weeks. I'm very excited about the new video capability including what I know was a masterful calibration from Kris Deering.
Brent
With having a Lumagen, you would still use it for HDR tone mapping to get the best results. The new firmware is more for those that do not have a video processor.That’s what I suspected but wanted to ask.
That’s what I suspected but wanted to ask.I misunderstood your question...totally missed the Lumagen (just saw the DCR lens). Sorry about that. Regardless, the firmware won't "harm" you if you install it :D
That’s what I suspected but wanted to ask.:)
I am very happy to be joining the JVC DLA-RS3000 family quite soon. Is there anything I need to know about setup/configuration that you wish you knew on Day 1?Hey BB welcome. Their a great projector.
I also plan to switch from a 16x9 screen to a scope screen w/ DCR lens (if I manage to sell my current screen). Any “gee, I wish I had known” moments that I can prepare myself for during installation & setup?
I am very happy to be joining the JVC DLA-RS3000 family quite soon. Is there anything I need to know about setup/configuration that you wish you knew on Day 1?Email me - craig@avscience.com. I've been compiling setup notes. I'll send them to you.
I also plan to switch from a 16x9 screen to a scope screen w/ DCR lens (if I manage to sell my current screen). Any “gee, I wish I had known” moments that I can prepare myself for during installation & setup?
I am very happy to be joining the JVC DLA-RS3000 family quite soon. Is there anything I need to know about setup/configuration that you wish you knew on Day 1?
I also plan to switch from a 16x9 screen to a scope screen w/ DCR lens (if I manage to sell my current screen). Any “gee, I wish I had known” moments that I can prepare myself for during installation & setup?
I would stick with original plan and have it sent to Kris.Mike, Dylan: That’s deeeefinitely the ultimate plan! But, I’m in sort of a predicament. I might not be able to immediately send it to Kris because the final screen solution is up in the air. If I can’t sell my current screen, then I can’t get the new screen, which means no DCR lens and i have to keep my current screen. If I do sell my screen, then I can def have Kris calibrate for the new screen + DCR lens. All unknowns get solved by the screen sale, so I guess I need to set a hard decision date so I can know what to tell Kris.
He may be able to calibrate for your old and new screen material. Just explain the situation to him. I'm sure he can accommodate you. He has samples of most of the popular screen materials out there and can calibrate for them.Is calibration outside of the intended room still a compromise or have all these FW updates made this more possible? Just wondering if I missed something?
Is calibration outside of the intended room still a compromise or have all these FW updates made this more possible? Just wondering if I missed something?Depends on how you do it. If the calibrator uses a screen sample of your screen, uses your throw distance and sets up his room much like yours, then it is pretty close to the same.
11/12/2020 for release of new Frame Adapt firmware. :)SWEET!
I have the 3000.Barry,
Can someone give the link for the latest download.
Also new command code document available.Is there a way to put this in Excel with the hex codes? I just read through the document and am completely lost :)
What am I missing? I thought Theater Optimizer was also on the NX7? Not sure about the NX5 but thought so too.Advertisement for 3000 that JVC ran. T. O. is in 1000/2000 & 3000.
Or did you just mean ad?
Advertisement for 3000 that JVC ran. T. O. is in 1000/2000 & 3000.Yeah, the way Craig wrote it, sounded like it was something they “added” to the 3000.
Yeah, the way Craig wrote it, sounded like it was something they “added” to the 3000.I read it the same way as you did. I thought you beauty were getting an add on for the NX9. Until I read it and could not read anything different that what we already have lol
I received my NX9 just before Christmas (2020), so am lagging behind wrt many of you. Upgrading from a JVC DLA-RS55 this is a huge improvement. The only hesitation I have so far, it the lack of detail in the darkest black, but that is a matter of proper settings/calibration (which is work-in-progress). Besides that... I am in heaven :)Try using one of the custom gamma modes. Try a 2.2 and see if that helps. You could also try increasing the Brightness setting one or two from the default.