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[Dylan Seeger]

It's interesting that certain people keep mentioning a "new and improved lens" and yet we see lower ANSI contrast. Unless there is a ton of light scatter in the light engine, I can't agree with people that the lens is improved. In fact, it looks like it's performing worse than before.

[Stereodude]

What I also find strange is that they measure different on/off with different laser power, theoretically it sould measure exactly the same with the laser dimming shut off as it has no iris. What is strange is that it seems to measure highest at the 100 setting.

That makes perfect sense.  Since it uses laser dimming the black is going to be constant regardless of the laser power setting since it can only dim so far.  So off is fixed.  The brighter you crank the laser by upping the laser power the more "on" you get and thereby a higher ratio.  In contrast a conventional iris affects both on and off.

[Andreas21]

That makes perfect sense.  Since it uses laser dimming the black is going to be constant regardless of the laser power setting since it can only dim so far.  So off is fixed.  The brighter you crank the laser by upping the laser power the more "on" you get and thereby a higher ratio.  In contrast a conventional iris affects both on and off.

No it does not.

With the dynamic laser dimming off it should not. As you decrease the power both white and black should drop the same persentage and thus give you exactly the same on/off. Just as a UHP projector measures exactly the same on/off contrast in high and low power with the same iris position.

[AVSMike]

The 885 throws a very nice image. If I did not own the 4500, I would certainly would have looked at the 885. It throws an image that is close to the 4500 and costs less. It is like everything in life, you pay quite a bit more to get a little closer to perfect.

[Stereodude]

No it does not.

With the dynamic laser dimming off it should not. As you decrease the power both white and black should drop the same persentage and thus give you exactly the same on/off. Just as a UHP projector measures exactly the same on/off contrast in high and low power with the same iris position.

That would suggest dynamic laser dimming can't really be fully turned off or they have some sort of dynamic gamma processing that's tied to the laser power setting that can't be turned off.

[Andreas21]

That would suggest dynamic laser dimming can't really be fully turned off or they have some sort of dynamic gamma processing that's tied to the laser power setting that can't be turned off.

That might be the case and then it will be very difficult to trust the calibration results, as all dynamic settings must be turned off to get reliable measurements when calibrating. If this is the case owners of the 885 should report it to Sony and Sony would need to fix it with a firmware update.

[Andreas21]

The 885 throws a very nice image. If I did not own the 4500, I would certainly would have looked at the 885. It throws an image that is close to the 4500 and costs less. It is like everything in life, you pay quite a bit more to get a little closer to perfect.

It does for sure, but the halleluja/honeymoon statements is simply silly, it is actually a 675 with a laser light source and a upgraded optical engine. It will not make wonders for the end results. I see Roxiedog actually is rather reserved after checking out his 885 and says it would be interesting to see one side by side with a 675, I was rater surprised by this.

I am sure testing them side by side would show them to be very similar. I am sure the RS4500 is quite superior to the 885 due to its incredible lens and a higher build quality. I would like to see a RS4500 and a 885 side by side, but it is impossible fo me to arrange. I would also like to see a RS4500 side by side with my Cineversum BW2.

[AVSCraig]

It does for sure, but the halleluja/honeymoon statements is simply silly, it is actually a 675 with a laser light source and a upgraded optical engine. It will not make wonders for the end results. I see Roxiedog actually is rather reserved after checking out his 885 and says it would be interesting to see one side by side with a 675, I was rater surprised by this.

I am sure testing them side by side would show them to be very similar. I am sure the RS4500 is quite superior to the 885 due to its incredible lens and a higher build quality. I would like to see a RS4500 and a 885 side by side, but it is impossible fo me to arrange. I would also like to see a RS4500 side by side with my Cineversum BW2.

It's been done twice now ( three times if you count Cedia which was a poor demo unfortunately ) by others. You know which one won.

[Andreas21]

It's been done twice now ( three times if you count Cedia which was a poor demo unfortunately ) by others. You know which one won.

Yes, but I would like to see it with my own eyes also.

And according to the Sony boys on the other forum there must be something wrong with the tests or they where rigged...

[AVSCraig]

Yes, but I would like to see it with my own eyes also.

And according to the Sony boys on the other forum there must be something wrong with the tests or they where rigged...

Which is funny because Arrow is a dealer for both brands, and John in Colorado might be too.

[Stereodude]

But those are unreliable because the wrong projector won. 

[Andreas21]

I have seen the 885 together with the 385 and not much of a difference could be seen and I have calibrated some of the new models, no 885 though. And I would never choose the 285 or 385 before my BW2 (JVC RS520 clone), darks scenes are way to flat and gray for me to do that. Other than that the Sonys are great machines, witch can appear sharper and more detailed if you put your nose up to the screen. That is not the way I watch movies so the slightly softer and less detailed image of a e-shift JVC throws a better total image to me than a 4K Sony, laser or no laser.

I guess the reason for the Sony boys to say the tests where rigged was because the outcome was not as they wanted and expected. For some (VGI and Joerod) it is not even possible for a JVC to produce an image even close to a Sony.LOL

[Tom Bley]

I have seen the 885 together with the 385 and not much of a difference could be seen and I have calibrated some of the new models, no 885 though. And I would never choose the 285 or 385 before my BW2 (JVC RS520 clone), darks scenes are way to flat and gray for me to do that. Other than that the Sonys are great machines.

I guess the reason for the Sony boys to say the tests where rigged was because the outcome was not as they wanted and expected. For some (VGI and Joerod) it is not even possible for a JVC to produce an image even close to a Sony.LOL

JoeRod is a fanboy and promoter of only Sony.  He used to do some reviews way back of JVC products and generally knocked them for certain things but, not when it comes to Sony.  Now his homemade web page shows nothing but Sony projectors.  I don't even think he calibrates any of the projectors he reviews.  VGI is a clown and should have been banned for his remarks on the other forum.

[Andreas21]

JoeRod is a fanboy and promoter of only Sony.  He used to do some reviews way back of JVC products and generally knocked them for certain things but, not when it comes to Sony.  Now his homemade web page shows nothing but Sony projectors.  I don't even think he calibrates any of the projectors he reviews.  VGI is a clown and should have been banned for his remarks on the other forum.

Joerod has always been a Sony boy even if he owned a JVC or two many years ago. He does not calibrate or measure when he reviews projectors, and to me his reviews is simply not interesting at all. It is 100% clear he is sponsored by Sony and he should not be allowed to link to his reviews on the other forum.

Is VGI still able to post after the very insulting post towards Mike G and John Schuermann?? If he is it is a disgrace, he should be banned for life!

[AVSMike]

Which is funny because Arrow is a dealer for both brands, and John in Colorado might be too.

Yes, both guys doing the comparsome are dealers for both brands. Nobody should have expected the 885 to beat the 4500. That was not reasonable to expect. Just like people were unreasonable, when they expected the 4500 to beat the VW5000. There is a reason for the price difference. Compete with it, yes, but not beat it.