Banned at AVSForum

[AVSMike]

I saw your posts. Thing is, if I respond to Joerod or anybody ( and the same will happen to you perhaps ) that I'm not biased since I sell Sony, and JVC ( and Epson etc. ) I run the risk of being completely banned for saying I sell projectors in threads. I already got a warning last week for a general post like that.  It's like tip toe thru the mine field - got to watch exactly what you say ! I was trying to figure out a way to word it so I wouldn't get a warning or finally get banned, and then I just gave up.

Same here. I can't respond to some of VGI's posts. I can't hint in any way that we are a dealer. I got an infraction yesterday and am now banned from the Sony vs JVC shootout thread that John started. My post was a reply to someone looking for a low price on a projector and I responded along the lines of: "You have to know where to look." I have received several infractions this year. I hope they wipe out completely at the end of the year. I am almost afraid to post anything there.

We need everyone to work on getting people to move over here.

[ericglo]

A post like that should not be deleted, it should be left standing for all to see and the user should be banned. I hope he misses a lot of busienss because of this. I have a copy of that post and I will never delete it.

Can you send me a copy?

I noticed that VGI has been over the top in his Sony bias. One person said they purchased a Sony from him. I wonder if he got that sale from his promotion on AVS or if the guy was local to him.

[AVSCraig]

Same here. I can't respond to some of VGI's posts. I can't hint in any way that we are a dealer. I got an infraction yesterday and am now banned from the Sony vs JVC shootout thread that John started. My post was a reply to someone looking for a low price on a projector and I responded along the lines of: "You have to know where to look." I have received several infractions this year. I hope they wipe out completely at the end of the year. I am almost afraid to post anything there.

We need everyone to work on getting people to move over here.

If you had said " you need to shop around " maybe that would fly under their radar. There is no hint of dealer there. Then again, the mods / owners do what they want.

[Javs]

Same here. I can't respond to some of VGI's posts. I can't hint in any way that we are a dealer. I got an infraction yesterday and am now banned from the Sony vs JVC shootout thread that John started. My post was a reply to someone looking for a low price on a projector and I responded along the lines of: "You have to know where to look." I have received several infractions this year. I hope they wipe out completely at the end of the year. I am almost afraid to post anything there.

We need everyone to work on getting people to move over here.

I have said it before and I will say it again. You guys need this site on Tapatalk.

Its fundamentally difficult to contribute here when I cant check the forum, and post to it from my smart phone.

[DavidHir]

I would also recommend trying to boost 'free' and paid search results (search engine optimization) such as on Google, etc.  This is huge. If you can get to page 1 on Google with key words such as "front projectors" and related words it will help a lot with driving new traffic here.  Right now when I type those two words AVS (among other sites) comes up on the first page.

[ericglo]

Thanks Andreas. I just read the VGI deleted post. All I can say is wow. What an idiot.

[AVSMike]

In the shootout thread, they keep going back and forth on the 4K panels for the Sony projectors. Some saying different panels and such. The US Sony sales manager has told me last year and confirmed again this year that all of the Sony 4K HT projectors (285, 385, 675, 885 and 5000) use the same panels.

[Dylan Seeger]

In the shootout thread, they keep going back and forth on the 4K panels for the Sony projectors. Some saying different panels and such. The US Sony sales manager has told me last year and confirmed again this year that all of the Sony 4K HT projectors (285, 385, 675, 885 and 5000) use the same panels.

I've noticed that as well. I'm sure Sony loves it that people assume they're getting something extra with their upper tiered models. There are a few people on that forum who spread this misinformation because they want people to think the projector they own is even more special than it actually is. Yes, you do get something extra with the upper models, but unfortunately unique panels are not it.

[Tom Bley]

I've noticed that as well. I'm sure Sony loves it that people assume they're getting something extra with their upper tiered models. There are a few people on that forum who spread this misinformation because they want people to think the projector they own is even more special than it actually is. Yes, you do get something extra with the upper models, but unfortunately unique panels are not it.

They get a heavier chassis.    oh yeah and some extra light 

[Dylan Seeger]

If we look at the base 285ES we can see what Sony thinks each upgrade is worth:

Dynamic Iris + Lens Memories = $3000 (385ES)

An Extra 300 Lumens = $7000 (675ES)

Laser Light Engine (not brighter) + 18Gbps HDMI Ports + CFI with a 4K signal = $10,000 (885ES)

F-ARC Lens + ~2000 extra lumens = $35000 (5000ES)

[HomeTheaterGuy]

I have said it before and I will say it again. You guys need this site on Tapatalk.

Its fundamentally difficult to contribute here when I cant check the forum, and post to it from my smart phone.

You bring up a good point.

There are many people who enjoy using TapaTalk, but we don't like their terms of service. To use Tapatalk, we have to agree to let them cache our site, record all your link clicks, and then sell this information to advertisers. (They even place popup ads on our site unless you subscribe to their service.)

Even though we don't offer TapaTalk, we do offer an RSS feed if you want an easy way to check for forum updates.

Thanks for being one of our valuable members. We appreciate your contributions to our forum's discussions!

[Baseball0618]

In the shootout thread, they keep going back and forth on the 4K panels for the Sony projectors. Some saying different panels and such. The US Sony sales manager has told me last year and confirmed again this year that all of the Sony 4K HT projectors (285, 385, 675, 885 and 5000) use the same panels.

Really?  I thought the 5000es panels were slightly different.  I remember seeing something in marketing info that said it's same sxrd panels they use in their professional cinema line? 

Here is the quote:  "The world's most advanced home cinema projector combines an advanced laser light source with the same Sony 4K SXRD panel technology that's found in our professional cinema projectors"   Maybe that means all of their 4k projectors have the same panels including their professional lines?

Edit just checked the bulletin for the 885es and it has the same verbiage so all of their 4k projectors share the same panels.  Thanks Mike!

[Dylan Seeger]

Really?  I thought the 5000es panels were slightly different.  I remember seeing something in marketing info that said it's same sxrd panels they use in their professional cinema line? 

Here is the quote:  "The world's most advanced home cinema projector combines an advanced laser light source with the same Sony 4K SXRD panel technology that's found in our professional cinema projectors"   Maybe that means all of their 4k projectors have the same panels including their professional lines?

Edit just checked the bulletin for the 885es and it has the same verbiage so all of their 4k projectors share the same panels.  Thanks Mike!

What Sony really means is that they based the. 74" SXRD panels on their commercial 1.55" SXRD panels. They used the R&D for those larger panels to create the smaller .74" panels. All manufacturers do this. TI, Epson, Cannon and JVC all do the same thing. If the 5000ES was using commercial panels they'd have to be 1.55"  in size but as the literature says for the 5000ES, it's using the smaller consumer . 74" variant. ie all VPL-VW models use the same SXRD panels. The only difference is that Sony has improved them on a year to year basis. So all 2017 calendar year models will be using the exact same panels. This means you can expect the 285ES all the way up to 5000ES to use the same panels given the 5000ES was manufacturered in 2017.

[stanger89]

You bring up a good point.

There are many people who enjoy using TapaTalk, but we don't like their terms of service.

And I appreciate it, not specifically TapaTalk, but the caring about what you sign up for, and what you sign away.  I like it much better when I see a site that looks like this:


Than this:

and this:

[Andreas21]

What Sony really means is that they based the. 74" SXRD panels on their commercial 1.55" SXRD panels. They used the R&D for those larger panels to create the smaller .74" panels. All manufacturers do this. TI, Epson, Cannon and JVC all do the same thing. If the 5000ES was using commercial panels they'd have to be 1.55"  in size but as the literature says for the 5000ES, it's using the smaller consumer . 74" variant. ie all VPL-VW models use the same SXRD panels. The only difference is that Sony has improved them on a year to year basis. So all 2017 calendar year models will be using the exact same panels. This means you can expect the 285ES all the way up to 5000ES to use the same panels given the 5000ES was manufacturered in 2017.

Yes, all Sony 4K HT models use the same 0.74" panels and have done so since the VW1000ES, they have been slightly modified, but not that much I think.

According to the biggest Sony fanboys the 885 has new panels and that is why it measures much higher on/off than earlier models. As I see it from the measurements posted it measures around 12-20000:1, and if you compare that to the 520 (665) I measured a couple of years ago it measured around 15000:1 manual iris set to 100 and 19000:1 with the manual iris closed. This was at mid throw so I guess the fantastic new panels measure about the same as the 2015 panels.

I also wonder why the ANSI contrast has dropped?? I remember the 520 measured around 4-450:1 and the 885 measured at 360:1 by Cine4Home. This must be a huge con according to Roxiedog13 who thinks ANSI contrast is the most important. I am waithing for his halleluja first impressions at the other forum. LOL

I also think it is funny when 675 owners who upgrade to the 885 says how big of an improvement it is, laser alone does nothing to the PQ. I am 100% sure if you put a 675 and 885 side by side brightness matched and calibrated no difference would be seen.

What I also find strange is that they measure different on/off with different laser power, theoretically it sould measure exactly the same with the laser dimming shut off as it has no iris. What is strange is that it seems to measure highest at the 100 setting.