When has Sony ever dropped the price of a high end model like that ? I think they will sell quite a few - it's a great projector, and fits in between the VW385 and JVC eshift models, and the RS4500.
Yeah, that's why I said IF sales don't meet expectations they'd drop the price. They did that on the previous 3xx model last year because it want selling well. But you're saying the 885ES is selling well so far?
That model didn't sell because it was the striped down model that competed badly against cheaper projectors. I'd say the VW885 is in a class nearly by itself, at least at it's price point.
The price difference here in the US is very large. The 885ES is more than 3 times more expensive than the RS640. $8,000 vs $25,000. The $4000 RS440 has essentially the same performance metrics that the 885ES has. Around 1700 calibrated lumens, ~18000:1 max brightness contrast (though the RS440 has more dynamic contrast), 90% P3 coverage, ANSI contrast is 325:1 on the JVC and 360:1 on the 885ES, very similar lens quality (though the JVC has been proven to be more reliable), and 18Gbps HDMI ports with similar video processing options. It's just hard for me to see the value in a $25000 885ES when the $4000 RS440 has the same performance with the only shortcoming being that it has eshift. But for me, it's always been difficult to see obvious differences from my seated position between eshift and 4K SXRD. I honestly think that the posterization and banding issue is what's holding SXRD back from achieving more apparent resolution from a seated distance. This is why I want Sony to fix this issue so badly. More competition is a good thing. And for me these Sony's aren't competitive until this issue is fixed, especially when the one thing these Sony's have over most JVC projectors (native 4K panels) is being held back.
I think that's a matter of how you look at the 885ES. Personally, I think that it's only in a league of it's own if a laser light source is something you're after. I'd argue that you can get similar overall image quality at a far less cost if laser isn't important to you.
I saw banding and posterization when I saw the 885 a while back so I doubt it has new panels, the unit I saw was a pre prod unit.The 885 (760) is almost double the price of a RS640 here in Noway and I still think it is stupidly overpriced when you compare the picture quality. For me laser is not worth that amount of money alone. If it had 3000+ lumens it would be a more "fair" price. But to me no projector is worth the silly amount of money they charge for a 4K laser unit today. I rather spend that amount of money upgrading my coming trackday car.
That could be one way of looking at it. I myself am enjoying 4K and laser.
This is all actually making my blood boil the damned idiocy we have on the other forum. Dumb as a fence post.
Track day car??? Do tell.
It's funny that he's trying to explain to you what's in the photos that YOU shot. For me at least, it's easy to see Arrow has Reality Creation cranked way up. You can see all the ringing artifacts (from excessive sharpening) around all the asain characters in this photo:http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125493This photo also shouts RC is cranked up. Notice how dramatized the contrast is in the fabric's stitching on his jacket/collar. It's WAY sharper than the source actually is. Huge sign RC is cranked up, the projector can't be sharper than the source unless sharpening is engaged:http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125417These photos should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I'm not saying the 885ES doesn't look good in these shots, but I didn't really take a close look at them until late last night and realized what was going on. It wasn't until I took a look at the source on my PC that I saw that the 885ES had to have RC way up.
Are Roxie and Ruined one in the same? Talk about two people who have single handedly removed any desire for me to look at the pj forums.
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