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The Feminization of the Marvel Universe

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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2023, 11:45:42 PM »
This is one of many reasons why I stopped using Facebook almost 2 years ago. The main impotence was seeing the documentary "The Social Dilemma." (https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/) If you can stay on Facebook after watching what evil that company performs, more power to you. I suspended my account the next day and haven't been back.
I have zero interest in Facebook and not a member but might use it occasionally to look up things like local restaurants that us it in place of having an actual website.  My wife uses it, but only to post things for her friends, and weeds out anyone that has gone off the deep end.

Social media is certainly a component in all of this, but it doesn't help that legitimate news and trade outlets are picking up on those twisted narratives and reporting them without a critical eye.  At that point, it gains awareness with the public and starts to be accepted as fact, with only the most superficial of details being communicated.

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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2023, 12:18:28 AM »
My friend I referenced earlier is also fond of saying we get the "x" we deserve - politicians, media, etc. We vote, we click we make choices and it drives and skews what we are offered. Not all choices are as informed as we'd like because the world is too complex to know even a fraction of what we'd like to, and info is frequently hidden or distorted for various reasons, mostly short term financial in some way. Much of this seems to me just scaled up versions of what's happened for most of human history. 

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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2023, 07:03:20 AM »
Eh. I use Facebook as an ongoing class reunion. I am still in touch with all my friends from high school 30 years later. That and it’s a memory reminder 
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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2023, 10:26:08 AM »
My friend I referenced earlier is also fond of saying we get the "x" we deserve - politicians, media, etc. We vote, we click we make choices and it drives and skews what we are offered. Not all choices are as informed as we'd like because the world is too complex to know even a fraction of what we'd like to, and info is frequently hidden or distorted for various reasons, mostly short term financial in some way. Much of this seems to me just scaled up versions of what's happened for most of human history.
In the show 1923 (Episode 7, if I remember correctly), there's a great moment at the dinner table where Harrison Ford speaks around this point in a historical context. I almost got up and gave him a standing ovation. 
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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2023, 11:31:39 AM »
This is one of many reasons why I stopped using Facebook almost 2 years ago. The main impotence was seeing the documentary "The Social Dilemma." (https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/) If you can stay on Facebook after watching what evil that company performs, more power to you. I suspended my account the next day and haven't been back.
Facebook is a tool - like the 18 guns I own. You can use it for positive things or not so positive. Kind of like " the other forum " which can be used to argue and belittle someone, or to exchange ideas. 

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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2023, 01:07:02 PM »


About a decade ago, I was on a Yahoo list for professionals that Yahoo closed down.  The group went to Facebook and that is how I got there.
 
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Long story, but I have a cat that has hyperthyroidism and the Facebook page on that helped save her life!!! I had a bad vet that was not taking the proper steps. There are some Home theatre sites that I found interesting, and yes, a few sites about comics.   Especially on the latter, I had been invited to join some sites. Of, there are a couple of sites about restaurants in my area and they have been helpful!

But over the decade I have withdrawn from MOST sites. People are often rude and insulting. You must agree with 1000% of what they say or you are a “bad” person. It’s nuts. There is never a discussion, only arguments.  So I am still on a handful of sites (And Tracy is on one of them).


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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2023, 01:42:24 PM »
Justg read that the Disnwey company will be spacing out it's rfeleases, giving more time between films:

Disney on Tuesday shuffled plans for some of its biggest franchises. Two “Star Wars” film are planned for 2026. One was pushed from December 2025 to May 2026. Another was added for December 2026. The studio hasn’t announced details on either untitled production.
The Marvel calendar was also remade Tuesday, as the studio continues to reshape its coming plans in its superhero kingdom. Most notably, “Avengers: Kang Dynasty” is being postponed from May 2025 to May 2026. That film, a pivotal release for Marvel, stars Jonathan Majors, the actor who has been charged with domestic violence. Majors’ attorney has denied the charges and says he’s innocent.
Other shifts in Marvel releases include most films being delayed a few months. “Captain America: Brave New World” will open in July 2024 instead of May 2024, after which comes “Thunderbolts” in December 2024, “Blade” in February 2025 and “Fantastic Four” in May 2025.

The Walt Disney Co. on Tuesday pushed the release of “Avatar 3” a year, bumping it from December 2024 to December 2025. The timeline is stretched even further for the next planned installments. “Avatar 4” is now slated to hit theaters in December 2029; “Avatar 5” is set to arrive in December 2031.

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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2023, 06:50:57 PM »
Facebook is a tool - like the 18 guns I own. You can use it for positive things or not so positive. Kind of like " the other forum " which can be used to argue and belittle someone, or to exchange ideas.
Yep. I have used FB for a long time now, and have connected with old friends, coordinated groups etc. It's hard to escape some of the less savory things big data companies do these days so I get the reactions. I limit my interactions too and don't really engage in discussions due to the things mentioned where too many people have a mindset of "if you do/say/believe A then you MUST therefore also believe X/Y/Z things that are horrible and probably make you a satanist/nazi". 

Then there's stuff which is clearly fake (jokes/trolls) that people lose their shit over. I kid you not, my cousin's spouse just posted some video of a "liberal" suing her parents for not asking her permission to be born, and the gullible outrage was... interesting.

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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2023, 07:06:41 PM »
Yep. I have used FB for a long time now, and have connected with old friends, coordinated groups etc. It's hard to escape some of the less savory things big data companies do these days so I get the reactions. I limit my interactions too and don't really engage in discussions due to the things mentioned where too many people have a mindset of "if you do/say/believe A then you MUST therefore also believe X/Y/Z things that are horrible and probably make you a satanist/nazi".

Then there's stuff which is clearly fake (jokes/trolls) that people lose their shit over. I kid you not, my cousin's spouse just posted some video of a "liberal" suing her parents for not asking her permission to be born, and the gullible outrage was... interesting.
That's funny. She could give herself a " retroactive abortion " you know. I have connected with a lot of old friends on Facebook, and have and endless daily stream of snarky memes on my page for the entertainment of my friends. Plus, I run the AV Science Facebook page, read The Digital Bits page for disc reviews, follow pages about Roman history, Egypt, WWII, aircraft, guns, and hot women that are either crack shots with guns or can fire an arrow at you standing on their hands with their feet ( and nail your ass ). And the latest tally of Russian equipment ( and Russians ) wasted by Ukraine! It's informative and entertaining at times.

Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2023, 03:34:02 PM »
Pretty good article on the decline of the MCU, and how this topic plays a big role in it in various ways:

https://www.audioholics.com/editorials/marvel-studios-mcu-how-bad-writing-defeated-superhero-movies

The point that many of the female characters basically just replaced a male character with little beyond surface level changes, and usually lacking much of a developed origin and story, really hits home. It applies in so much of the genre TV & movies - Rey in Star Wars etc.

Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2023, 06:20:21 PM »
Pretty good article on the decline of the MCU, and how this topic plays a big role in it in various ways:

https://www.audioholics.com/editorials/marvel-studios-mcu-how-bad-writing-defeated-superhero-movies

The point that many of the female characters basically just replaced a male character with little beyond surface level changes, and usually lacking much of a developed origin and story, really hits home. It applies in so much of the genre TV & movies - Rey in Star Wars etc.
While not having to do with Marvel, my wife and I have noticed a tendency lately that in virtually every movie and TV show, when a strong female character is shown, she ends up being a lesbian or bi-sexual. Some recent examples are Star Trek: Strange New Worlds and the excellent Star Wars show, Andor. In Andor in particular, the only "real" romantic relationship they show is between two women and Mon Monthma's heterosexual relationship with her husband is anything but ideal. Regardless, why can't we have strong female characters that are feminine and heterosexual?
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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2023, 06:29:14 PM »
While not having to do with Marvel, my wife and I have noticed a tendency lately that in virtually every movie and TV show, when a strong female character is shown, she ends up being a lesbian or bi-sexual. Some recent examples are Star Trek: Strange New Worlds and the excellent Star Wars show, Andor. In Andor in particular, the only "real" romantic relationship they show is between two women and Mon Monthma's heterosexual relationship with her husband is anything but ideal. Regardless, why can't we have strong female characters that are feminine and heterosexual?
Call me cynical, but I think part of this is primarily being done to check off certain boxes.

So, if you give character X the characteristics of both A group and B group and you've doubled the representation.  I'm sure you can think of many of these modern characters that hit the trifecta of A, B, and C. 
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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2023, 07:48:41 PM »
David, I've noticed for several years that in a lot of "genre" TV shows, the primary or only relationship that had a really positive dynamic was a non-heterosexual relationship. Going back to Buffy the Vampire Slayer in the late 1990s, in fact, with Willow and Amber being the only "nice" relationship long term. Not all, of course, but in a lot of genre TV it's been a noticeable trend. One counter example (to an extent) was She-Hulk - Jennifer Walters / She-Hulk is decidedly hetero.  Seems like that show got a lot of criticism and mediocre ratings but my wife & I both enjoyed it a lot.

Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2023, 07:57:40 PM »
David, I've noticed for several years that in a lot of "genre" TV shows, the primary or only relationship that had a really positive dynamic was a non-heterosexual relationship. Going back to Buffy the Vampire Slayer in the late 1990s, in fact, with Willow and Amber being the only "nice" relationship long term. Not all, of course, but in a lot of genre TV it's been a noticeable trend. One counter example (to an extent) was She-Hulk - Jennifer Walters / She-Hulk is decidedly hetero.  Seems like that show got a lot of criticism and mediocre ratings but my wife & I both enjoyed it a lot.
Now we may have to watch She-Hulk based upon your recommendation. Did you watch Andor? If so, did you like it?
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Re: The Feminization of the Marvel Universe
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2023, 08:19:53 PM »
Seven of Nine of Star Trek Voyager became gay in Picard. For no reason.
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