JVC DLA-RS1000/N5 & RS2000/NX7 Owners Thread

[rob-houston]

"I bet David Vaughn could assist with the Benjamin More info if you needed a comparison."

Yes, I know. We covered that on the other forum.

I should have qualified that a little further.

On the other forum there have been alot of good helpful people.
Mike, Craig, Seegs, Zombie, Jdsmoothie, Bigmounth, Manni, David Vaughn and others I can't remember right now. I never once thought of putting any of them in my IGNORE list. I had a lot of stupid/ignorant/obnoxious fanboys in IGNORE list (more than 60)!!!

The IGNORE list was my friend!

[David Vaughn]

I should have qualified that a little further.

On the other forum there have been alot of good helpful people.
Mike, Craig, Seegs, Zombie, Jdsmoothie, Bigmounth, Manni, David Vaughn and others I can't remember right now. I never once thought of putting any of them in my IGNORE list. I had a lot of stupid/ignorant/obnoxious fanboys in IGNORE list (more than 60)!!!

The IGNORE list was my friend!

I've had to ignore a few over the years as well

[Tom899]

If I can help you with that, let me know.

Thanks Mike, I certainly will, appreciated.

On a similar matter, I'm anticipating Chad B. calibrating my system. I'm on a list, but have no idea when it will happen.

My Denon X4400H is working well with my 4K/HDR devices. I sent Chad B. an email asking a few questions in preparation for calibration, but didn't hear back, I'm sure he's very busy.

Maybe you or others could please give me advice.

I'm wondering if I should purchase something other than what I have before the calibration? What I mean, is maybe a Fury product? different UHD BluRay player? I purchased a Pioneer Elite UDP-LX500, I have SACD's. Should I also opt for the Panasonic UB9000, or because I'm getting a calibration the LX500 will be fine?

In the end I'm hoping for a good 4K/HDR experience without a lot of fiddling around with settings each time, maybe not possible?

I'm currently taking this forums advice on room treatments, velvet curtains, rosco velour black paint, etc...

Thanks,

[Dylan Seeger]

The UB9000 doesn't playback SACDs, so if that's important stick with the Pioneer. But the UB9000 is better suited for high quality HDR video due to its HDR Optimiser tool.

[Tom899]

The UB9000 doesn't playback SACDs, so if that's important stick with the Pioneer. But the UB9000 is better suited for high quality HDR video due to its HDR Optimiser tool.

Thanks Dylan, yes, I hemmed and hawed on which to buy, and I picked the LX500 knowing it would play SACD's while the UB9000 would not. At the time I didn't have a 4K projector, and didn't plan on getting one for at least a year. Well, that idea didn't last long, now I have an RS1000. So, I'm trying to understand if it's worth it to also get a UB9000. The LX500 does have an auto HDR optimizer, but, if the UB9000 is that much better?? I'll make a financial effort to get one. 

[Dylan Seeger]

Thanks Dylan, yes, I hemmed and hawed on which to buy, and I picked the LX500 knowing it would play SACD's while the UB9000 would not. At the time I didn't have a 4K projector, and didn't plan on getting one for at least a year. Well, that idea didn't last long, now I have an RS1000. So, I'm trying to understand if it's worth it to also get a UB9000. The LX500 does have an auto HDR optimizer, but, if the UB9000 is that much better?? I'll make a financial effort to get one.

I'm currently slated to get an LX500 within the next week, so I'll have to post my thoughts. I think Kris Deering has already had the chance to play with both. From what I gather the UB9000 is nicer in this regard.

[Tom899]

I'm currently slated to get an LX500 within the next week, so I'll have to post my thoughts. I think Kris Deering has already had the chance to play with both. From what I gather the UB9000 is nicer in this regard.

Great! I'll be very anxious to here your thoughts, and Kris's.

[rob-houston]

..., I have SACD's. ...

I'll be keeping my OPPO 103 until it dies or I die!

I had to get a replacement remote. The newer one lights up even when I cough!

[stridsvognen]

Thanks Dylan, yes, I hemmed and hawed on which to buy, and I picked the LX500 knowing it would play SACD's while the UB9000 would not. At the time I didn't have a 4K projector, and didn't plan on getting one for at least a year. Well, that idea didn't last long, now I have an RS1000. So, I'm trying to understand if it's worth it to also get a UB9000. The LX500 does have an auto HDR optimizer, but, if the UB9000 is that much better?? I'll make a financial effort to get one.

There is no really good UHD players that will do it all. The Panasonic UB9000 or other of panasonic players have the best tonemapping, but the rest is nothing to be proud of, scaling is medium to poor, croma handling sucks big time, and it have some backdoor enhancement that is not nice if you like a reference image.The LX500 is based on the same Mediatek chipset as the OPPO 203, it will do a clean 4K performance, scaling is nothing special, tonemapping not really usefull, and file playback is terible. OPPO 203 have the best file playback, and good 4K playback, as the Pioneer so scaling also nothing super.
The Xbox One s/X is most likely the best 4K player and scaler, lousy file playback, and no tonemapping options other than a standard convertion, and in cases you can not force 4:2:2 out.

I use the OPPO 103D and my lumagen for most movie discs, and upscale in the Lumagen, and the OPPO 203 for 4K discs.The Panasonics and Xbox is jist standing in the corner.

[Dylan Seeger]

There is no really good UHD players that will do it all. The Panasonic UB9000 or other of panasonic players have the best tonemapping, but the rest is nothing to be proud of, scaling is medium to poor, croma handling sucks big time, and it have some backdoor enhancement that is not nice if you like a reference image.The LX500 is based on the same Mediatek chipset as the OPPO 203, it will do a clean 4K performance, scaling is nothing special, tonemapping not really usefull, and file playback is terible. OPPO 203 have the best file playback, and good 4K playback, as the Pioneer so scaling also nothing super.
The Xbox One s/X is most likely the best 4K player and scaler, lousy file playback, and no tonemapping options other than a standard convertion, and in cases you can not force 4:2:2 out.

I use the OPPO 103D and my lumagen for most movie discs, and upscale in the Lumagen, and the OPPO 203 for 4K discs.The Panasonics and Xbox is jist standing in the corner.

There are of course better options available, but most people aren't willing to go the standalone video processor solution from either madVR or Lumagen. It's just a bit more involved than most people are willing to go. As far as UltraHD Blu-ray players go, the UB820 and UB9000 are the best standalone players currently available for video performance. Chroma resolution patterns indicate that the UB9000/820 is better than what the Oppo players (and the ones using the same chipset) currently offer. Scaling quality is about the same between the two, though the Panasonics offer more ways to adjust the picture with the built in sharpening tools.

[David Vaughn]

There are of course better options available, but most people aren't willing to go the standalone video processor solution from either madVR or Lumagen. It's just a bit more involved than most people are willing to go. As far as UltraHD Blu-ray players go, the UB820 and UB9000 are the best standalone players currently available for video performance. Chroma resolution patterns indicate that the UB9000/820 is better than what the Oppo players (and the ones using the same chipset) currently offer. Scaling quality is about the same between the two, though the Panasonics offer more ways to adjust the picture with the built in sharpening tools.

I owned Oppo's since their original player that I used going into an outboard scaler. I switched from the 203 to a Panasonic UB820 and quite honestly, haven't missed it one bit. Granted, I don't listen to SACD and DVD'A discs anymore, so it's purely a video player for me and it is one of the best I've ever owned since disc-based formats were launched. It's stable and outputs the correct signals. 

[Dylan Seeger]

I owned Oppo's since their original player that I used going into an outboard scaler. I switched from the 203 to a Panasonic UB820 and quite honestly, haven't missed it one bit. Granted, I don't listen to SACD and DVD'A discs anymore, so it's purely a video player for me and it is one of the best I've ever owned since disc-based formats were launched. It's stable and outputs the correct signals.

The UB9000/820 does decode DSD, it just has to be in a DFF or DSF file container. So you'd have to rip your SACDs and either play them back locally via USB or over your home network. It's an extra step, but it's still possible to listen to your SACDs. I do think it's a shame they didn't add support for SACD on the UB9000 considering the cost.

[stridsvognen]

There are of course better options available, but most people aren't willing to go the standalone video processor solution from either madVR or Lumagen. It's just a bit more involved than most people are willing to go. As far as UltraHD Blu-ray players go, the UB820 and UB9000 are the best standalone players currently available for video performance. Chroma resolution patterns indicate that the UB9000/820 is better than what the Oppo players (and the ones using the same chipset) currently offer. Scaling quality is about the same between the two, though the Panasonics offer more ways to adjust the picture with the built in sharpening tools.

Then i guess you have looked at the chroma pattern like Panasonic ilustrate it, like a zone plate.They claim superior chroma handeling due to multitap processing, the problem is that the processor used have a very very bad chroma loss, Panasonic compensated that with a chroma sharpening/ enhancement, to make the patterns apear more right, but the good eye will notice a agressive chroma ringing introduced by the enhancement/ backdoor processing.
You can reduce chroma sharpness to -3 and remove most of the ringing, but you will loos some high frequence chroma response, the chroma issue apply to all formats.
They did also apply sharpness enhancement to the luma channel, except with UHD playback.That makes the Panasonic players apear more vibrant and punchy/ sharper than a reference player, and why the panasonic fainth chroma zone plate looks more detailed, its the chroma overshoot/ peaking, and not how its surposed to look.
A lot of people like that kind of look these days, but if your into reference image quality, and care about details/ acurate reproduction and calibration, the Panasonic players are not capable, no matter what model you chose, they all suffer from the same chipset limitation and backdoor processing.

If you want chroma multitap processing with no side effects the only solution i seen is the Xbox, it maintain perfect bandwidth respons and no funky enhancement distortion, and upscaling from DVD Blu Ray to 4K is better than all the OPPO, Panasonic, and Pioneer, it just have other shortcommings.
I guess that makes the OPPO the best compromise, and then figure out a alternative way to do the tonemapping, or do as many do, realise that it will never be perfect for projection and just use the Blu Ray edition that is mastered perfectly for that aplication, and go for the player with the best upscaling.

The OPPO and Pioneer/ Mediatek chipset offers perfect chroma handeling, the difference is the multitap processing making tests like the chroma zone plate look more smooth, thats the only test you can apply where the Panasonic apear to be better, the rest of the chroma tests it fails badly, and at a closer look at the zone plate you will also notice its to bright, due to the enhancement, you just dont see the ringing on the zone plate due to its design, for that the chroma multiburst, or other more hard edge patterns is better.
If you look the chroma multiburst pattern try keep a eye on the 2 vertical bars on the left, between them is a black line, the reference maintain separation between the red and blue bar, on the Panasonics you have a very agressive edge ringing right there, its presented on the rest of the pattern as well, even creating artifacts in the black areas of the pattern.
For experiments sake turn down the chroma sharpness to -6, then you see how the ringing disapear on most of the pattern, but is still slightly visible on the big vertical bars, that indicates there is still enhancement active, that you cant turn off, at the same time look at the hight frequence response on the right side of the pattern, and see how they are now not presented at all, basically just black squares where the 2:2 chroma should be, and the next medium bandwidth pattern is also heavy cut down.

The Lumagen processors did something like it years ago with the XS and belive you will see it if you activate game mode on still, introducing a chroma boost, wich also introduce ringing. But they reduced, or eliminated most of the chroma loss in the pipeline later on, so the boost/ enhancement was not needet. And that was way less ringing than the Panasonic introduce, in comparison ill say something looking like the panasonic set at -6, and then the high frequence would overshoot on the lumagen.

I did spend some time with a RS1000/N5 with a Panasonic UB9000 some time ago, and i would never want that combination in my setup.

If you dont notice it, or is not bothered with the agressive image look of the Panasonic and need the tonemapping it is the cheapest way of getting decent tonemapping, so to that point its personal if your willing to trade one thing for another, personally i think the best 4K monitors and projectors deserve better.

[Tom899]

Well, first I would like to thank everyone for all the information.
I've had three OPPO's, BDP-83, BDP-103, and UDP-203. I sold each one as I upgraded to the next model. My last one, the UDP-203, I thought had HDMI handshake issues so I returned it. I now know it was the fault of my Denon X4200W having a weak HDMI circuit board which is now being replaced. I wish I still had one of those OPPO's, if for nothing more than to play my SACD's.
Moving on to my latest crop of 4K Blu-Ray players. I have a Sony UBP-X800, Panasonic DMP-UB900, and Pioneer UDP-LX500. I've moved the X800 and UB900 into other rooms leaving the LX500 as my main unit in my projection home theater.
After reading some of the comments, I'm not overly excited about spending more on another player, at least not yet. I am very anxious though, to hear from Dylan and Kris if they would be so kind to compare their UB9000 to the LX500.
Thanks...

[ed weinman]

I have the JVC 2000 and I was wondering if 3840x2160 was the maximum resolution or can the projector give out
4096x2160?