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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #165 on: January 10, 2020, 03:20:09 AM »


 I say the RS3000/NX9 is the best image a consumer can get right now for less than $100,000.  Pair this projector with an appropriately sized screen and you will own the best image for movies under $100,000.
Respect your opinion,  but after putting 3 NX9,s up against other PJ,s i do disagree with you here.....

Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #166 on: January 10, 2020, 07:04:02 AM »
Respect your opinion,  but after putting 3 NX9,s up against other PJ,s i do disagree with you here.....
Which projector? The RS4500?

Yes, this is of course my opinion. My review sample measured in very close to the last gen eshift models in terms of contrast (37,016:1 iris open native and 462,700:1 dynamic). This played a huge role in me forming that opinion. Plus the unit only lost 5% of it's light output to get P3 color. Light output was ~1800 max P3 lumens. Looking at the RS4500, to get full P3 color saturation, you're looking at around only 1500 max lumens. Plus I feel 8K eshift does offer a subjective increase in image quality and no other projector has this feature. Then there's the DTM software. The RS4500 is beat in native contrast, seems to be matched in dynamic contrast, beat in P3 color light output, and lacks 8K and DTM at the moment compared to the NX9. I'm not picking on the RS4500. Its to be expected for a manufacturer to improve performance several years after a flagship model has been released. There are still a few aspects to the RS4500 potential buyers may want (more filter-less light output and the stability of a laser light source), but again, I think these come with a trade-off for contrast performance and color saturation and a few other missing features beneficial to image quality.

So I don't know what other projector would offer a better overall experience for movie viewing. None of the Sony models I've seen come anywhere close. I know you've said you liked the BenQ LK990, or was it the LK970?  My experience with the LK990 was pretty bad overall. Yes, it had a sharp image and was bright as long as you didn't care about image accuracy, but its contrast performance was god awful to the point where I don't think these other strengths made up for this deficiency.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 10:18:36 AM by Dylan Seeger »
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #167 on: January 10, 2020, 11:28:30 AM »
Which projector? The RS4500?

Yes, this is of course my opinion. My review sample measured in very close to the last gen eshift models in terms of contrast (37,016:1 iris open native and 462,700:1 dynamic). This played a huge role in me forming that opinion. Plus the unit only lost 5% of it's light output to get P3 color. Light output was ~1800 max P3 lumens. Looking at the RS4500, to get full P3 color saturation, you're looking at around only 1500 max lumens. Plus I feel 8K eshift does offer a subjective increase in image quality and no other projector has this feature. Then there's the DTM software. The RS4500 is beat in native contrast, seems to be matched in dynamic contrast, beat in P3 color light output, and lacks 8K and DTM at the moment compared to the NX9. I'm not picking on the RS4500. Its to be expected for a manufacturer to improve performance several years after a flagship model has been released. There are still a few aspects to the RS4500 potential buyers may want (more filter-less light output and the stability of a laser light source), but again, I think these come with a trade-off for contrast performance and color saturation and a few other missing features beneficial to image quality.

So I don't know what other projector would offer a better overall experience for movie viewing. None of the Sony models I've seen come anywhere close. I know you've said you liked the BenQ LK990, or was it the LK970?  My experience with the LK990 was pretty bad overall. Yes, it had a sharp image and was bright as long as you didn't care about image accuracy, but its contrast performance was god awful to the point where I don't think these other strengths made up for this deficiency.

If you stick to your " best picture under $100K " criteria, an RS4500 with a Lumagen and DCR lens or MadVR ( via a HTPC or upcoming Envy ) and DCR lens is going to throw one hell of a picture, all for a hair under $32K. And last trouble free for years. Maybe decades ! Still well under that $100K mark. 8) Which is " better " depends on a lot of different factors. 
« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 11:30:02 AM by AVSCraig »

Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #168 on: January 10, 2020, 12:01:53 PM »
Craig, I'm talking projector performance on its own. As a reviewer, I can't just assume everyone will be adding this additional hardware. Plus, if you add the same things to the RS3000 we're right back to where we started, with the RS3000 still having most of the same advantages.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 10:12:57 PM by Dylan Seeger »
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« Reply #169 on: January 10, 2020, 12:53:30 PM »
I'm will to give up a bit of contrast to never deal with lamps or lamp strikes - that's for sure. But you can't beat the RS3000 for the price ! Now where is that review ! ;)

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« Reply #170 on: January 10, 2020, 01:01:13 PM »
I'm will to give up a bit of contrast to never deal with lamps or lamp strikes - that's for sure. But you can't beat the RS3000 for the price ! Now where is that review ! ;)
I agree. The laser will be a feature some will pay more for. But I'm talking best image quality for movies. The laser/phosphor light source doesn't really play into that. The RS3000 will have a substantial contrast lead with real world video content and a bump in image brightness for full P3 color saturation and 8K eshift does make a noticeable improvement. DTM is also huge for those who don't have a lumagen or madVR.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 01:42:35 PM by Dylan Seeger »
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #171 on: January 10, 2020, 02:00:05 PM »
I haven't compared them directly, but Woofer has. 

Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #172 on: January 10, 2020, 02:18:19 PM »
There are a lot of issues with comparing these projectors. The biggest I see is the RS3000's DTM will make such a huge difference in overall image quality for HDR it won't be a fair comparison. The RS4500 does not yet (and may not ever) have DTM. Again, as a reviewer, I can't just assume all people own a Lumagen. So when we look at what these projector's can do on their own, I can't see the RS4500 pulling ahead. Yes, if we add in something to DTM HDR for the RS4500 that gap will narrow considerably.
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #173 on: January 29, 2020, 08:03:12 AM »
My JVC DLA-NX9/RS3000 review has been published:

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dla-nx9-8k-d-ila-projector-reviewed/
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« Reply #174 on: January 29, 2020, 11:13:37 AM »
Excellent ! Thanks Dylan !

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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #175 on: January 29, 2020, 12:54:26 PM »
My JVC DLA-NX9/RS3000 review has been published:

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dla-nx9-8k-d-ila-projector-reviewed/
Nice review. I think the RS3000/NX9 is one fantastic projector for the money. 
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #176 on: February 17, 2020, 05:44:50 AM »
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully. 
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all. 

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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #177 on: February 17, 2020, 08:55:06 AM »
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully.
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all.
Same here. I just  put in a movie and watch it. :)
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #178 on: February 17, 2020, 10:34:57 AM »
Thanks for the review Dylan. I will say I’m on Auto and scene by scene and I’m yet to find an issue with the DTM. Ive watched some movies with dark scenes that my previous Sony Laser projector struggled with but the JVC handled beautifully.
You know the good thing with Sony was the Laser but it struggled with movies when it came to dark scenes and the JVC having a globe I have to say I’m much happier with the JVC. I don’t touch it at all.
Yeah, icing on the cake would have been a laser light source, but, like I said in the review, I think that would have all but killed sales for the RS4500. Unless you watch your projector like a TV, ie many hours per day, bulbs are still okay. Until they go to direct RGB laser, I can't see much benefit in terms of image quality that a laser/phosphor light source brings other than perhaps some new dynamic contrast capabilities that the current lens iris lacks (full fade to black and slightly faster reaction time). But the physical iris JVC uses on the bulb units is mighty impressive in how smooth and transparent it works. I'm very sensitive to dynamic irises and even still I may only notice it working once or twice throughout an entire movie, sometimes not at all. My guests don't notice at all, or at least none of them have said anything. Overall, the DI implementation is one of the best you get at the moment in any display. @ArrowAV says the DI in the $100K Sim2 Duo Plus is even more transparent in operation, but I haven't seen it personally.

I've had this NX9 for about 3 months now and I still have less than 100 hours on it. I've watched 2-3 movies a week on it. At this rate, especially with the extra bulb I have, I won't need to purchase a new bulb before I end up selling it in a few years.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 10:47:43 AM by Dylan Seeger »
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Re: JVC RS3000
« Reply #179 on: February 17, 2020, 08:50:33 PM »
Yeah, icing on the cake would have been a laser light source, but, like I said in the review, I think that would have all but killed sales for the RS4500. Unless you watch your projector like a TV, ie many hours per day, bulbs are still okay. Until they go to direct RGB laser, I can't see much benefit in terms of image quality that a laser/phosphor light source brings other than perhaps some new dynamic contrast capabilities that the current lens iris lacks (full fade to black and slightly faster reaction time). But the physical iris JVC uses on the bulb units is mighty impressive in how smooth and transparent it works. I'm very sensitive to dynamic irises and even still I may only notice it working once or twice throughout an entire movie, sometimes not at all. My guests don't notice at all, or at least none of them have said anything. Overall, the DI implementation is one of the best you get at the moment in any display. @ArrowAV says the DI in the $100K Sim2 Duo Plus is even more transparent in operation, but I haven't seen it personally.

I've had this NX9 for about 3 months now and I still have less than 100 hours on it. I've watched 2-3 movies a week on it. At this rate, especially with the extra bulb I have, I won't need to purchase a new bulb before I end up selling it in a few years.
I agree Dylan the  DI on the JVC works well. I don’t watch TV on my JVC just a movie a night at times ( I have a large selection of 4k UHD Discs ).

 I’m the same I have an extra bulb it will be awhile before I use it, though I’m contemplating on keeping this projector for a long while.
 
I know it’s only 8K e-Shift ( I’m aware their is no 8k input ) but once 8k material comes out I will just manually select it on and wah lah we have 8K. :) 



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