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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2017, 10:50:45 PM »
Tomorrow the 285ES is going back. But before it left I wanted to watch some content on it tonight. I ended up watching Life (2017). It looked excellent on the 285ES. No real gripes with overall image quality. I think most people who purchase this or the 385ES will enjoy the projector. As I've said many times, in the $3000+ market, it's next to impossible to make a wrong decision. All of these projectors throw a gorgeous image. It's really only when we want to nitpick and compare two of these projectors is when we see some of the minor faults these projectors have. At times I wish my JVC had the seemingly effortless analog look this 285ES has. I also wish my JVC could match the Sony with motion. While motion is only marginally better, it is something I can see as a positive attribute on the 285ES. But of course, the Sony has it's faults too, which most of you are well versed in now after reading countless tirades by me. At the end of the day, choose what works best for you. At the moment, for me, it's a JVC.

If Sony fixes the issues that bother me, I honestly think a 4K Sony will be my main projector. Native contrast results on the 385ES look very promising. I can't wait to see what these SXRD models can do in 12-24 months. I could easily live with ~25000:1 native contrast projector with a good DI, which all Sony's usually have. Added with SXRD's typically higher ANSI contrast, better motion and the more organic looking image it would be something hard to pass up. I anxiously await a revised .74" SXRD panel!
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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2017, 12:52:02 PM »
At CEDIA, Craig and I also thought the 285 at it's price point threw an excellent image. Not a lot to complain about. Contrast looked much better than I expected it to look, since it did not have a dynamic iris.
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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2017, 07:01:25 PM »
Tomorrow the 285ES is going back. But before it left I wanted to watch some content on it tonight. I ended up watching Life (2017). It looked excellent on the 285ES. No real gripes with overall image quality. I think most people who purchase this or the 385ES will enjoy the projector. As I've said many times, in the $3000+ market, it's next to impossible to make a wrong decision. All of these projectors throw a gorgeous image. It's really only when we want to nitpick and compare two of these projectors is when we see some of the minor faults these projectors have. At times I wish my JVC had the seemingly effortless analog look this 285ES has. I also wish my JVC could match the Sony with motion. While motion is only marginally better, it is something I can see as a positive attribute on the 285ES. But of course, the Sony has it's faults too, which most of you are well versed in now after reading countless tirades by me. At the end of the day, choose what works best for you. At the moment, for me, it's a JVC.

If Sony fixes the issues that bother me, I honestly think a 4K Sony will be my main projector. Native contrast results on the 385ES look very promising. I can't wait to see what these SXRD models can do in 12-24 months. I could easily live with ~25000:1 native contrast projector with a good DI, which all Sony's usually have. Added with SXRD's typically higher ANSI contrast, better motion and the more organic looking image it would be something hard to pass up. I anxiously await a revised .74" SXRD panel!

What are you going to test next ?  :)

Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2017, 07:20:46 PM »
What are you going to test next ?  :)

I'm not entirely sure yet. I would love to see an eshift 5 unit. I'm excited to see how much better these JVCs look with this latest version of eshift. Or I was thinking about checking out the Vivtek HK2299.
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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2017, 06:50:04 PM »
Would you be able to get your hands on a VW885ES for a review when they're released?

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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2017, 07:16:31 PM »
Would you be able to get your hands on a VW885ES for a review when they're released?

Just order one from Amazon, and then return it when your finished !  ::)

Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2017, 11:30:10 PM »
Just order one from Amazon, and then return it when your finished !  ::)

That is indeed what I did with this 285ES. Over the years, I've lost out on plenty of money to see these projectors in my own theater. Lately I've been taking advantage of generous return policies. Amazon should adjust their return policy if they feel too many people abuse their system. But not all of these projectors are available on Amazon so sometimes I need to risk losing some money selling them after I'm done playing around.

The main reason I don't go to CEDIA is that I know the vast majority won't be set up to my liking with a reference screen material or with video content I'm familiar with. It almost seems like a waste of time. The feeling I get every year from attendees is that they never really get to see these projectors in the best light and most of them are pre-production hardware/software anyways.
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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2017, 11:48:52 PM »
That is indeed what I did with this 285ES. Over the years, I've lost out on plenty of money to see these projectors in my own theater. Lately I've been taking advantage of generous return policies. Amazon should adjust their return policy if they feel too many people abuse their system. But not all of these projectors are available on Amazon so sometimes I need to risk losing some money selling them after I'm done playing around.

The main reason I don't go to CEDIA is that I know the vast majority won't be set up to my liking with a reference screen material or with video content I'm familiar with. It almost seems like a waste of time. The feeling I get every year from attendees is that they never really get to see these projectors in the best light and most of them are pre-production hardware/software anyways.

That is true to some extent, but you do see projectors you might never see otherwise. And for those of us in the business, it's important to go and also see the people in the industry. Don Stewart, the JVC folks, the Epson and Sony folks - it's becoming like a yearly family reunion !

Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2017, 12:24:10 PM »
Saw the 285 at a local dealer this week. It was during a public HT oriented event and being used in a room demoing Kaleidescape. So I didn't get to do much focused on the 285 itself, but the one thing that did jump out to me was black levels that looked fairly bright. I've been using the JVC RS500 so I've become accustomed to much better. I posted previously that I was strongly thinking of selling the JVC and grabbing a 285 but now I'm not so sure. My main issue with the JVC is that 3D is annoying due to being forced to use the 1 model of glasses that have the correct polarization, and aren't very comfortable. Of course, sadly less content is going to be 3D as I start adding movies in UHD versions.

And I have to say, that Kaleidescape server is really nice, very slick interface and so much nicer to watch a movie from that as opposed to a disc with menus and warnings to navigate. But the cost, and the proprietary nature of the downloads are big obstacles to me.

Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2017, 12:56:19 PM »
Saw the 285 at a local dealer this week. It was during a public HT oriented event and being used in a room demoing Kaleidescape. So I didn't get to do much focused on the 285 itself, but the one thing that did jump out to me was black levels that looked fairly bright. I've been using the JVC RS500 so I've become accustomed to much better. I posted previously that I was strongly thinking of selling the JVC and grabbing a 285 but now I'm not so sure. My main issue with the JVC is that 3D is annoying due to being forced to use the 1 model of glasses that have the correct polarization, and aren't very comfortable. Of course, sadly less content is going to be 3D as I start adding movies in UHD versions.

And I have to say, that Kaleidescape server is really nice, very slick interface and so much nicer to watch a movie from that as opposed to a disc with menus and warnings to navigate. But the cost, and the proprietary nature of the downloads are big obstacles to me.

Even my RS400 here has much better contrast than the 285ES. You really need to step up to the 385ES if you want more competitive contrast and black level performance. I should also note that the 285/385ES will have a lot more ghosting during 3D viewing compared to the JVCs. This was easily visible in my testing and comparison to the the RS400. This is something to take into consideration if you plan on viewing a lot of 3D. Also the added brightness of these JVCs will help render 3D better.
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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2017, 02:10:17 PM »
Saw the 285 at a local dealer this week. It was during a public HT oriented event and being used in a room demoing Kaleidescape. So I didn't get to do much focused on the 285 itself, but the one thing that did jump out to me was black levels that looked fairly bright. I've been using the JVC RS500 so I've become accustomed to much better. I posted previously that I was strongly thinking of selling the JVC and grabbing a 285 but now I'm not so sure. My main issue with the JVC is that 3D is annoying due to being forced to use the 1 model of glasses that have the correct polarization, and aren't very comfortable. Of course, sadly less content is going to be 3D as I start adding movies in UHD versions.

And I have to say, that Kaleidescape server is really nice, very slick interface and so much nicer to watch a movie from that as opposed to a disc with menus and warnings to navigate. But the cost, and the proprietary nature of the downloads are big obstacles to me.

I wish I had the cash for one myself. Sadly, at this time, I do not.  :'(

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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2017, 03:21:42 PM »
I wish I had the cash for one myself. Sadly, at this time, I do not.  :'(

Yeah, I almost bought one a couple years ago.
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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2017, 05:13:47 PM »
My main issue with the JVC is that 3D is annoying due to being forced to use the 1 model of glasses that have the correct polarization, and aren't very comfortable. Of course, sadly less content is going to be 3D as I start adding movies in UHD versions.

Sounds like you just need to get a screen that doesn't retain any polarization.

Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2017, 05:34:17 PM »
Sounds like you just need to get a screen that doesn't retain any polarization.

WAY easier said than done. I have a motorized Black Diamond so 1) recouping much of the cost of that would be very difficult; 2) getting my wife to let me even look into something like this is not a battle I want to even think about any time soon. It'd probably be less expensive and far easier logistically to sell the JVC and move up the 385, and that isn't happening either.

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Re: Sony VPL-VW285ES Thread
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2017, 07:36:12 PM »
JVC did not do it to be annoying. They did it, because from an engineering standpoint, that is the correct way to do it. When you maintain polarization in the projector and glasses, you gain brightness for free.
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