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Projectors => Premium Projectors => Topic started by: ronman79 on December 06, 2016, 05:16:14 PM
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I saw in other places that this has been leaked, and didn't see anything here...
I've heard that it's mainly a refresh, maybe a gaming (low latency) mode, and that this is something that should be seen next month at CES.
Speculation?.....GO! 8)
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I saw in other places that this has been leaked, and didn't see anything here...
I've heard that it's mainly a refresh, maybe a gaming (low latency) mode, and that this is something that should be seen next month at CES.
Speculation?.....GO! 8)
Slightly modified versions of the current projectors. Rumored to have a gaming mode. Since I don't game, no reason for me to get excited. The big question is does this mean nothing new at Cedia 2017, or will there be 2 refreshes of the current projectors in one year?
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Since this is such a mild refresh, I think we will see something new at CEDIA 2017. At least I hope so.
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The "terrible" lag times with the current JVCs are the ONE reason steering me away from them. Even though I game very little, the opportunity to play with better input lag performance is a value proposition, to say the least!!! ;) 8)
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Bizarre timing. If JVC comes out with 3 new projectors at Cedia, it would mean they would have had 10 different models out during 2017. :o
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The "terrible" lag times with the current JVCs are the ONE reason steering me away from them. Even though I game very little, the opportunity to play with better input lag performance is a value proposition, to say the least!!! ;) 8)
Get a BenQ 1070 for your gaming projector. $ 699.00 ! A little more than the cost of a new lamp for an RS500 / 600 !
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Get a BenQ 1070 for your gaming projector. $ 699.00 ! A little more than the cost of a new lamp for an RS500 / 600 !
Or, pending,"do-all" refreshed JVC notwithstanding, buy an Epson that has respectable performance for both...(I know, PQ isn't up to snuff with Contrast King)...This has been my dilemna....
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If you game a lot, there s something to be said for putting the wear and tear on the cheap projector.
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I don't game, but I agree, I would get a cheap BenQ to put all of that wear tear on versus a quality projector like JVC.
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Us, non gamers view it this way, but serious gamers probably want image quality and low lag.
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Us, non gamers view it this way, but serious gamers probably want image quality and low lag.
Mike, well said for the other camp! I'm not what I would consider a "serious" gamer anymore, but I do enjoy it from time to time. Image quality, no matter the source, is always a priority for me. And, to have a "do-all" machine would be nice. I don't game nearly like I used to, but having a superior product WITH gaming finesse would be superb! The fact that the Epson has an excellent overall PQ, as well as low input lag is what has it as my current pick. However, my buy time frame is first quarter of the new year (when I'll be finishing out the upstairs expandable)! We'll see.....Picture quality and overall performance, gaming quality, and price are all a factor for me when that time comes in the next few short months....
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Us, non gamers view it this way, but serious gamers probably want image quality and low lag.
serious gamers dont use large screens...so serious gamers and PJ is kind of like oil and water..they dont mix
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Mike, well said for the other camp! I'm not what I would consider a "serious" gamer anymore, but I do enjoy it from time to time. Image quality, no matter the source, is always a priority for me. And, to have a "do-all" machine would be nice. I don't game nearly like I used to, but having a superior product WITH gaming finesse would be superb! The fact that the Epson has an excellent overall PQ, as well as low input lag is what has it as my current pick. However, my buy time frame is first quarter of the new year (when I'll be finishing out the upstairs expandable)! We'll see.....Picture quality and overall performance, gaming quality, and price are all a factor for me when that time comes in the next few short months....
I hope the time frame works out for you. Since JVC hasn't actually announced anything, we are just going by rumors and " vaperware " at this point !
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serious gamers dont use large screens...so serious gamers and PJ is kind of like oil and water..they dont mix
But, they typically don't use large screens because projectors typically had more input lag. Some are pretty low now...
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The new models are to be announced at CES and shipping end of January, beginning of February. Gamers should be happy to now be able to enjoy JVC high native contrast, while playing games.
The replacement models have slightly higher lumen and contrast spec. For the 500/600 we are talking about 100 lumens and around 10,000 increase in contrast. While all improvements are good and puts these projectors at the top of the class at their price points, it is not enough of an increase to be able to see the difference compared to the current models. These increases are due to running improvements made in the manufacturing process. In other words, they have improved the manufacturing tolerances with the current line. The other addition is hybrid log-gamma for HDR.
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But, they typically don't use large screens because projectors typically had more input lag. Some are pretty low now...
nope not the reason....when needing fast reaction time...the last thing you want to do is move your head to see another side of the screen....they only want to slightly move their eyes. a serious gamer will not go with a screen bigger than say 42" for just this reason...(mind you I am talking about first person shooters where input lag would actuallly matter not RPG or anything like that)
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The other addition is hybrid log-gamma for HDR.
Developed by NHK and BBC, I think the only HLG content available now is with the BBC iPlayer. Perhaps US broadcasters will use it someday.
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The only big news with these new projectors is the gaming mode - which is great for gamers. :)
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The only big news with these new projectors is the gaming mode - which is great for gamers. :)
Will JVC do what Vizio did?. Vizio specified one HDMI input for game mode; it does not support HDR. The other 4 inputs support HDR but not the reduced lag. Lots of grumbling from Xbox One S owners.
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Saw the official specs announcement last night!
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http://www3.jvckenwood.com/projector/dla-x770r/
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http://www3.jvckenwood.com/projector/dla-x770r/
Looks correct according to what I heard. :)
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YIPEE-KI-YAY!!!!!
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Translated... "Auto calibration function with gamma adjustment function"
Is this something new or just referring to AutoCal?
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Translated... "Auto calibration function with gamma adjustment function"
Is this something new or just referring to AutoCal?
Talking about autocal.
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so whats the consensus...is this a holdover until 2018 for new models with larger upgrades?
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so whats the consensus...is this a holdover until 2018 for new models with larger upgrades?
No one ( other than JVC ) knows the answer to this. I will add this though - if JVC comes out with 3 new projectors at the end of 2017, they will have had 10 different models available during 2017 - which would give people in their shipping and inventory department a nice headache ! :o
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No one ( other than JVC ) knows the answer to this. I will add this though - if JVC comes out with 3 new projectors at the end of 2017, they will have had 10 different models available during 2017 - which would give people in their shipping and inventory department a nice headache ! :o
haha so true....well good to know we should be good for at LEAST another year with our current JVC's
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I just bought a new RS500, so it's going to take something significant for me to already upgrade again next year - and it would have to be at similar price. I just don't see that. Now, maybe in 2-3 years.
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I just bought a new RS500, so it's going to take something significant for me to already upgrade again next year - and it would have to be at similar price. I just don't see that. Now, maybe in 2-3 years.
Despite what the marketing folks say, projector improvements year to year / model to model, tend to be incremental, rather than revolutionary. The current JVC's were a pretty big step up from the previous models though, in my opinion. But I've talked to several people in the last few weeks that are just getting around to upgrading from RS1's, so waiting awhile will certainly get you a more significant upgrade. I still am guessing that true 4K at current prices won't happen before 2020.
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I still am guessing that true 4K at current prices won't happen before 2020.
Well, if the trend with TV's is any indication, I'd hope it might be a year or two sooner. Feels like yesterday people were saying 4K TV's were too expensive and not worth the upgrade. Good luck even finding a 1080p set worth buying in the mainstream size of 50-65".
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Despite what the marketing folks say, projector improvements year to year / model to model, tend to be incremental, rather than revolutionary. The current JVC's were a pretty big step up from the previous models though, in my opinion. But I've talked to several people in the last few weeks that are just getting around to upgrading from RS1's, so waiting awhile will certainly get you a more significant upgrade. I still am guessing that true 4K at current prices won't happen before 2020.
It's almost comical at the other site at how confident a couple of people are that JVC is releasing native 4k and laser at current RS prices for next year. :)
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Remember, home theater front projection is a niche and quality glass (lens) is not cheap and not something that flat panels have to contend with. Also, remember how long 1080p projectors took to come out - and then come down to reasonable prices where as 1080p TVs were nicely priced.
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Those interested in one of these new JVC's should call and get on the preorder list. :)
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Those interested in one of these new JVC's should call and get on the preorder list. :)
I'll be keeping an eye out. Need to see what pricing is announced at, what "street" $ it translates to, and if the Epson (for the $) still might be my best bet. I'm very interested, as for performance of all types, it's on the top of my list now!
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When is the new line hitting the street?
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When is the new line hitting the street?
First I heard March / April. Recently I've heard Feb. ! I guess we will find out for sure at CES.
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More information here :
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2016/11/03/jvc-dla-x5500-dla-x7500-et-dla-x9500/
In France we are expecting them in March.
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More information here :
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2016/11/03/jvc-dla-x5500-dla-x7500-et-dla-x9500/
In France we are expecting them in March.
Low lag gaming mode will open these up to a whole new group of customers. The JVC's will be very tough competition for the other manufacturers.
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Agreed and I would think it really puts more pressure on Sony and Epson in particular to make more improvements.
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Competition.....so very great for all of us, right?
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Agreed and I would think it really puts more pressure on Sony and Epson in particular to make more improvements.
Well they had better get cracking - 4K Blu Ray's with my new Panasonic 4K player look stupendous on the RS600.
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Developed by NHK and BBC, I think the only HLG content available now is with the BBC iPlayer. Perhaps US broadcasters will use it someday.
NTT Japan is broadcasting HEVC-HLG. But I found Google references that YouTube HDR content can be encoded as either VP9-PQ or VP9-HLG. So HLG is more than just a broadcast technology. In that case is there any chance that these JVC models might support YouTube HDR?
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JVC has released information on the new models.
RS420: http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102473 (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102473)
RS520: http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102474 (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102474)
RS620: http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102475 (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102475)
As has been reported earlier, the big news is the low lag gaming mode. Now the JVC will be an excellent choice for an all around use projector. Now you can have your cake and eat it too, when it comes to gaming, 3D and movies. :)
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RS420/520/620 models – Questions asked at CES today -
1. How much lag in gaming mode? 2 frames ( under 40ms )
Does it work in 4k/60p. Yes.
And is the contrast compromised while using low lag mode ? No.
2. What features are disabled in gaming mode? Nothing major other than keystone.
3. What improvements were made for HDR. Auto HDR pre set. When HDR is detected, it will go to this pre set user mode.
4. Was there any improvement to HDMI sync / switching time? A small improvement – maybe 2 seconds.
5. Confirm that auto iris is not active in HDR mode? Not active with HDR – no change.
7. It would be great to find out which meters are supported by the new autocal software.
More to follow on this.
Shipping at the end of Jan. 2017. And while the contrast and brightness spec's appear to have been improved, they are no different than the current models. The current models have been exceeding the published specifications for quite a while. You could easily get an RS600 that puts out 2000 lumens.
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RS420/520/620 models – Questions asked at CES today -
1. How much lag in gaming mode? 2 frames ( under 40ms )
Does it work in 4k/60p. Yes.
And is the contrast compromised while using low lag mode ? No.
2. What features are disabled in gaming mode? Nothing major other than keystone.
3. What improvements were made for HDR. Auto HDR pre set. When HDR is detected, it will go to this pre set user mode.
4. Was there any improvement to HDMI sync / switching time? A small improvement – maybe 2 seconds.
5. Confirm that auto iris is not active in HDR mode? Not active with HDR – no change.
7. It would be great to find out which meters are supported by the new autocal software.
More to follow on this.
Shipping at the end of Jan. 2017. And while the contrast and brightness spec's appear to have been improved, they are no different than the current models. The current models have been exceeding the published specifications for quite a while. You could easily get an RS600 that puts out 2000 lumens.
Thanks for getting the answers Craig, much appreciated. Looks like my checkbook is safe from a JVC flip.
Though, a Radiance Pro is creeping up my list ???
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Thanks for getting the answers Craig, much appreciated. Looks like my checkbook is safe from a JVC flip.
Though, a Radiance Pro is creeping up my list ???
If you are a gamer, this is the projector to get. Not a gamer and have an RS500 / 600 already ? Put that money in a " Future JVC 4K projector " certificate of deposit. :)
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It's nice to hear that JVC didn't have to sacrifice black level or contrast performance to gain the low lag mode.
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I am looking to move from my RS500/HW45ES to the 520 and it sure sounds like checked all the boxes for this JVC to be the all in one solution.
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I am looking to move from my RS500/HW45ES to the 520 and it sure sounds like checked all the boxes for this JVC to be the all in one solution.
Hi Chris, welcome to the new forum. Will contact you, once we have pricing worked out. Yes the new JVC's look like a great all around projector now.
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Hope to have pricing worked out before middle of next week. :)
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Gonna stay in touch, Mike. I'll also be talking to you about some stuff in between for a buddy of mine. Thanks for the communication, and Craig, for getting the answers at CES. You guys are great!
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The owners manuals are now on line - http://books.jvc.com/Download/693163109/B5A-2025-0C.pdf
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Well, they were. Email me and I can send it to you since the link seems broken.
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Interesting that " Dynamic Contrast " in the MPC settings is gone. And there is a new " Graphics Mode " now. Not quite sure how this works different from current JVC's.
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Interesting that " Dynamic Contrast " in the MPC settings is gone. And there is a new " Graphics Mode " now. Not quite sure how this works different from current JVC's.
Will be cool to see some tests of this when it arrive.
Or if its just change of name to Graphics Mode or something better.
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Will be cool to see some tests of this when it arrive.
Or if its just change of name to Graphics Mode or something better.
Graphics mode appears to be a straight on or off picture adjustment, where dynamic contrast had a slider. So we will see.
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Anybody take delivery of one of these new JVC's yet ?
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Anybody take delivery of one of these new JVC's yet ?
Not yet, but we've preordered a load because they look awesome! :) Hope to receive handson and do some comprehensive evaluation upon our return from ISE... In the interim please don't anyone be shy sharing measurements of sales units ;)
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We have a few customers that should have just received some of the new models. Waiting for some of them to respond with user impressions. :)
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Just landed Amsterdam ISE... If anyone wonders where the JVC RS620/X9500 unit went missing it will be because I've stolen it :D
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Just landed Amsterdam ISE... If anyone wonders where the JVC RS620/X9500 unit went missing it will be because I've stolen it :D
I assume you are very familiar with the previous ( RS400 / 500 / 600 ) models. I'm interested in the differences the new models bring besides gaming / low lag mode. Thanks.
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I should have one of these shipping to me shortly (RS620). Once I get one in and installed I'll report back on my findings here on the forum in comparison to last year's models and the new RS4500.
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Quick review..
So I went from an rs400 to the rs520... I think the ability to play games along with the speed of the remote control was worth the jump... I also love how it automatically switches to hdr when detected. Picture quality i cant tell much but im sure its better.. For sure its a lot brighter i can see that the minute it turned on. Anyways ill post more i have to run out.. Now i have to sell the rs400 with 280 hours ill post it on the classifieds over the weekend..
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Quick review..
So I went from an rs400 to the rs520... I think the ability to play games along with the speed of the remote control was worth the jump... I also love how it automatically switches to hdr when detected. Picture quality i cant tell much but im sure its better.. For sure its a lot brighter i can see that the minute it turned on. Anyways ill post more i have to run out.. Now i have to sell the rs400 with 280 hours ill post it on the classifieds over the weekend..
Congratulations on the new projector ! Certainly going from an RS400 to an RS520 is a jump in picture improvement. Enjoy, and post some feedback after you've used it a while !
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Ok so ive had more time now with the rs520 and the picture quality is a big jump from the rs400.. This projector is the bomb everything about it is PERFECTO! Now i have to make sure the wife doesn't kill me she saw the bill I was trying to hide from her.. Not only that bill but also the bill for the receiver ps4 pro..
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Ok so ive had more time now with the rs520 and the picture quality is a big jump from the rs400.. This projector is the bomb everything about it is PERFECTO! Now i have to make sure the wife doesn't kill me she saw the bill I was trying to hide from her.. Not only that bill but also the bill for the receiver ps4 pro..
In a good dark room, the picture improvement should be noticeable ! You'll have an easier time hiding those bills from your wife that I will hiding the fact I'm painting more walls black with Roscoe Velour Black paint............ ;)
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I should have one of these shipping to me shortly (RS620). Once I get one in and installed I'll report back on my findings here on the forum in comparison to last year's models and the new RS4500.
Just a side note...
Back in the day when I had my print subscription to Home Theater and Sound and Vision magazines, I never thought I'd have an actual Editor/Reviewer posting on a thread I'd started on an enthusiast site...! Ah...feeling a little accomplished...lol
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Just a side note...
Back in the day when I had my print subscription to Home Theater and Sound and Vision magazines, I never thought I'd have an actual Editor/Reviewer posting on a thread I'd started on an enthusiast site...! Ah...feeling a little accomplished...lol
I just got my copy of Sound and Vision after re-subscribing too !
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I have my 520 all setup and I am really enjoying it. I also made a pretty big change to my room by moving it into the room behind my HT. I went from a RS500/HW45ES setup to just the RS520.
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I have my 520 all setup and I am really enjoying it. I also made a pretty big change to my room by moving it into the room behind my HT. I went from a RS500/HW45ES setup to just the RS520.
Excellent ! Out of sight, out of mind ! Just like my theater !
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It's amazing how much heat that dumped into my room before. Also the box I made for it has a piece of edmund glass in it and it has reduced 99% of the noise from the projector, I can run it in high lamp and I can't even here the fan. The only thing I can hear in a totally quiet room is when the lens cover opens and closes.
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I have my 520 all setup and I am really enjoying it. I also made a pretty big change to my room by moving it into the room behind my HT. I went from a RS500/HW45ES setup to just the RS520.
Nice. Wish I could do that. I may eventually build a hush box.
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I should have one of these shipping to me shortly (RS620). Once I get one in and installed I'll report back on my findings here on the forum in comparison to last year's models and the new RS4500.
Do you have the Blu Ray's " Cloud Atlas " and " Interstellar " ? I could always see picture noise on parts of those Blu Rays on my RS600, that I no longer see on my RS4500. I'd be curious if it's still there on the RS620.
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Do you have the Blu Ray's " Cloud Atlas " and " Interstellar " ? I could always see picture noise on parts of those Blu Rays on my RS600, that I no longer see on my RS4500. I'd be curious if it's still there on the RS620.
I have both of those. Any scenes in particular?
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I have both of those. Any scenes in particular?
When the camera first goes to " 100 Days After The Fall " ( Hawaii ), the scenes where Tom Hanks and the other guy are attacked by the savages - lots of video noise on my RS600, none on my VW600, pretty much none on my RS4500.
Interstellar has a few scenes that had " video noise " on my RS600 - is that movie shot on film ? I'm thinking yes. Just watched some of it on the RS4500. I'm thinking it's film grain, and it just showed itself more on the RS600. Check and see if it's the same on the RS620 please. Just looks like film grain on the RS4500.
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Has anyone measured what is the peak/maximum brightness output with DCI-P3 colour with respect to the RS620/X9500 yet? It's in the order of 1,400 Lumens on the RS520/X7500... But we'd like to know what it is on the RS620/X9500
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Interstellar has a few scenes that had " video noise " on my RS600 - is that movie shot on film ? I'm thinking yes. Just watched some of it on the RS4500. I'm thinking it's film grain, and it just showed itself more on the RS600. Check and see if it's the same on the RS620 please. Just looks like film grain on the RS4500.
Yes, anamorphic 35 mm and IMAX 70 mm.
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Yes, anamorphic 35 mm and IMAX 70 mm.
I watched a bit of it yesterday on my RS4500 as a test, and got caught up in the movie - as usual. The spae scenes look pretty darn good on the RS4500 !
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Hello all! We are holding three Colorado based home theater seminars in March, featuring the JVC RS4500 and RS620. Mike Garrett posted about it here, in the "Home Theater Seminar" thread:
https://discuss.avscience.com/?topic=387.msg3952#msg3952
It's a great chance to see the RS4500 and RS620 in action, plus other products from Stewart, Revel, JBL Synthesis, etc. Kris Deering will be one of our special guest presenters, along with Chris Deutsch of JVC, Gregg Loewen of THX, and Robert Keeler from Stewart. Dates are March 11 and 12th (Denver, Marriott Tech Center) and March 18th (Colorado Springs Marriott). Click on the link above for all the details. Thanks to Mark and the gang at AV Science for allowing us to post about this!
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Here is the tentative schedule and equipment list for our Denver Home Theater Seminar events, March 11 and 12, 1 - 6 pm. Please keep in mind this is tentative and may change. Also please keep in mind that there will be a separate "breakout" room without a set schedule you can visit any time during the 1 - 6 pm show hours. Denver show is at the Tech Center Marriott.
1:00 - Introduction: What we will cover, introduce special guests Kris Deering of Sound and Vision and Gregg Loewen of Lion AV / THX
1:10 - Quick "Teaser" Demo of JVC DLA-RS4500, Stewart StudioTek 130, and JBL Synthesis sound system
1:15 - Introduction: Chris Deutsch of JVC - products on display
1:20 - Introduction: Robert Keeler of Stewart Filmscreen - products on display
1:25 - Brad and John of The Screening Room highlight audio products in both rooms supplied by JBL, Revel and Anthem
1:30 - JVC and Video Presentation #1 JVC projector technology, UHD, WCG, 4K
1:55 - UHD Demo
2:00 - BREAK
2:05 - Projectors vs. flat panels, more discussion of the latest video technologies
2:25 - How to get rid of black bars - aspect ratios
2:40 - Immersive Audio - Atmos, DTS-X, Auro - intro to JBL Synthesis and Revel
2:55 - Scope / 2.35:1 and Immersive Audio Demo
3:00 BREAK
3:05 Stewart Filmscreen and the big screen experience
3:10 Choosing the right screen material for the room and projector
3:25 Science vs. Snake Oil, plus discussion of the research undertaken by Dr. Floyd Toole and Dr. Sean Olive
3:45 Audio Demos / discussion
3:50 Home Theater Room Layout 1 - Video
4:00 BREAK
4:05 Home Theater Room Layout 2 - Audio
4:15 THX Video Calibration / Calibration - Gregg Loewen
4:35 Demos - UHD, Immersive Audio, Blu-ray
4:50 BREAK
5:00 Panel Discussion / Q&A, with Kris Deering (Sound and Vision), Gregg Loewen (THX), Chris Deutsch (JVC), Robert Keeler (Stewart Filmscreen), plus John Schuermann and Brad Waite of The Screening Room
6:00 End Credits roll
Main Seminar Room Equipment list:
JVC DLA-RS4500 THX Certified True 4K HDR Projector
Stewart Filmscreen 153" 2.35:1 StudioTek 130 Screen
Three JBL M2 Master Reference Monitors (LCR)
Four JBL LSR708i Master Reference Monitors (Side and Rear Surround)
Four Revel C763L Atmos Certified In-Ceiling Speakers (Height Channels)
Two JBL S2S-EX 15" subwoofers
Anthem AVM60 Pre-Amp Processor
Three JBL Synthesis SDA4600 amps
One JBL Synthesis SDA8300 amp
Oppo UDP203 UHD Blu-Ray Player
Kaleidescape Media Server
"Breakout Room" Equipment list (open for demos / discussion during show hours):
JVC DLA-RS620 Projector
Stewart Filmscreen 135" 16:9 PHANTOM High Ambient Light Rejecting Screen
Revel F208 Tower Speakers
Revel C208 Center Speaker
Revel M106 Bookshelf / Surround Speakers
Revel B112 Subwoofer
Anthem MRX720 Atmos Receiver
Emotiva XPA3 Amplifier
Please contact us directly at seminar@thescreeningroomav.com with any questions / RSVP. Thanks!
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For anyone who missed the event don't forget that we have an additional seminar planned for this Saturday, March 18, in Colorado Springs. While the overall seminar schedule will be the same, this time we will have the JVC DLA-RS4500 and DLA-RS620 JVC projectors (and screens from Stewart) in the same room. Same is true for the Revel F208 / C208 / M106 surround system and JBL M2 / LSR708i / S2S-EX / C763L Atmos system. The Colorado Springs event will be from 1-6 pm at the Colorado Springs Marriott, 5580 Tech Center Dr, Colorado Springs, CO 80919. Chris Deutsch from JVC and Gregg Loewen from THX will be special presenters.
For anyone who attended the Denver event on Saturday, we'd like to invite you back to the Colorado Springs event at no charge. We found out after checking a few sound anomalies during our Saturday session that the JBL M2 Master Studio Reference Monitors and S2S-EX subwoofers were mis-calibrated. If you’d like another chance to audition these amazing speakers, please feel free to attend our Colorado Springs event this Saturday. Again, not a sales event - this is educational only.
Thanks to our friends at AV Science Discussions for letting us post about this! Here is a direct link to our Facebook event page if you'd like to sign up (or write us at seminar@thescreeningroomav.com): https://www.facebook.com/events/1671605399799663/
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Sounds like the event has been a success with very good turnout so far. Hope to read reports from some of the attendees.
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Any more owners of the new models here, that have any comments ? I'm interested in your feedback on the HDR pre-set on this series.
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Any more owners of the new models here, that have any comments ? I'm interested in your feedback on the HDR pre-set on this series.
Hi,
I have 2 X9500,s and an X7500 here.
The HDR default Gamma is very good. I tried some of the custom curves , but prefer the default..
I am using settings of PT +6 DL+4 BL-4 . this is on my 143" Scope screen..throw is 20ft.
I previously had the X7000 and the X9500 has a phenomenal lens....it is vastly sharper than my old X7000.
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Here is a link to te new firmware update - http://support.jvc.com/pro/firmwareupgrade/versioncheck.jsp
Click on your model number.
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Watched PASSENGERS in 4K HDR yesterday. Stunning image.
HDR using an Arve tool created HDR curve is just excellent on these projectors, then again so is the default HDR gamma. Its only a mild improvement going to the Arve tool on these units, but worth it for those last few steps of highlight control for 4000 nit titles.
Definitely a must buy UHD disc, a good film too!
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Watched PASSENGERS in 4K HDR yesterday. Stunning image.
HDR using an Arve tool created HDR curve is just excellent on these projectors, then again so is the default HDR gamma. Its only a mild improvement going to the Arve tool on these units, but worth it for those last few steps of highlight control for 4000 nit titles.
Definitely a must buy UHD disc, a good film too!
I liked the movie, and thought it looked excellent too- Good call on comparing the bar scene to the one in The Shining !
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I liked the movie, and thought it looked excellent too- Good call on comparing the bar scene to the one in The Shining !
its the first thing I thought of!...checking IMDB...the carpet in the lounge area is the same design as the overlook hotel too
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Here is a link to te new firmware update - http://support.jvc.com/pro/firmwareupgrade/versioncheck.jsp
Click on your model number.
Just got mine, and it's not going in until sometime next week when the room is revealed! What's in the firmware?
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Watched PASSENGERS in 4K HDR yesterday. Stunning image.
HDR using an Arve tool created HDR curve is just excellent on these projectors, then again so is the default HDR gamma. Its only a mild improvement going to the Arve tool on these units, but worth it for those last few steps of highlight control for 4000 nit titles.
Definitely a must buy UHD disc, a good film too!
For anyone here...In just starting up this bad boy (X770RB/7500/RS520) sometime next week/weekend, what are some of the first things to get me started with optimal PQ? Any pointers or where to point me to? Thanks so much to any and all that can help! By the way, pairing with a Denon X4300H and Oppo 203.
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Just got mine, and it's not going in until sometime next week when the room is revealed! What's in the firmware?
A couple of bug fixes I believe. Always good to stay current.
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And I've heard that JVC's firmware update process is a not so convenient process....USB drive, correct?
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And I've heard that JVC's firmware update process is a not so convenient process....USB drive, correct?
Only if you have an RS4500. Other wise you will need -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000VYJRY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=25TXF0GERCOSR&coliid=I1UFL6T13FWTSY&psc=1
plus
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000067SCH/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=25TXF0GERCOSR&coliid=IE5EADKKH6HFK&psc=1
Plus your laptop.
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I am expecting the new Lumagen software to drop by this weekend that will allow for HDR Intensity Mapping. Should be interesting with how it will work with the 520.
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I am expecting the new Lumagen software to drop by this weekend that will allow for HDR Intensity Mapping. Should be interesting with how it will work with the 520.
I'm interested to hear a full report on this. It's taken a while, but HDR finally seems to be getting sorted out for projectors.
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Only if you have an RS4500. Other wise you will need -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000VYJRY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=25TXF0GERCOSR&coliid=I1UFL6T13FWTSY&psc=1
plus
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000067SCH/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=25TXF0GERCOSR&coliid=IE5EADKKH6HFK&psc=1
Or this?
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Converter-Prolific-Chipset-CB-DB9P/dp/B00IDSM6BW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1492703991&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+to+rs232
Plus your laptop.
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Or this?
https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Converter-Prolific-Chipset-CB-DB9P/dp/B00IDSM6BW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1492703991&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+to+rs232
That is not tested - I would get the Tripp Lite one recommended and tested by JVC.
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The update process can be a pain. That is why we offer to do it for our customers, before sending out the projectors.
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Good review on the RS520 - http://www.projectorcentral.com/jvc-dla-rs520-review.htm
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There are revised detailed instructions on using JVC's auto calibration program now available from JVC.
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I tried their new instructions with good results but I know others who have done similar attempts with no luck. Hopefully most have success!
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Blow out pricing available on 420's and 520's. :)
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Only if you have an RS4500. Other wise you will need -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000VYJRY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=25TXF0GERCOSR&coliid=I1UFL6T13FWTSY&psc=1
plus
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000067SCH/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=25TXF0GERCOSR&coliid=IE5EADKKH6HFK&psc=1
Plus your laptop.
thanks for cable info. I have the 570 (420) still has the previous firmware version. don't have a pc laptop ( could borrow one) but since this is my first projector and have never updated one- a bit nervous-is there a risk of bricking it?
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An in depth RS420 review is in the works. :)
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Interesting comparison - https://www.thescreeningroomav.com/sonyjvcprojectorshootout
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Interesting comparison - https://www.thescreeningroomav.com/sonyjvcprojectorshootout
Those are my findings as well. I would never say there's no benefit to the native 4K panels on the SXRD projectors, as I have seen UHD content that looked plainly better on the Sony's, but I don't think that type of content happens often enough to justify the lower contrast, brightness and 'pop' that these Sony's have by comparison. As I said in my shootout post, I don't think the reason in which one should choose the Sony should be because it's native 4K. I also discussed why I think the Sonys aren't always showing more fine detail in that post. The Sony 4K should be chosen if you like better native motion and a slightly more organic appearing image, but overall, like they concluded in that writeup, the JVC wins overall. You really need to step up to Sony's $25000+ models (885ES and 5000ES) if you want to truly compete with these JVCs.
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The new CMS update does not cause an issue when E-shift and Low lag is engaged.
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The new CMS update does not cause an issue when E-shift and Low lag is engaged.
Mike do you know if they are able to fix the Low Latency loss of detail bug that was discovered when these models were released via firmware?
I know you said at one point it was done whenthe units were sent in for CMD repair, but I am not actually interested in that much, I did enjoy and get used to being able to have LL switched on at all times in 24p when I was assessing the 9900.
The 11 second sync time was a welcome change.
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Mike do you know if they are able to fix the Low Latency loss of detail bug that was discovered when these models were released via firmware?
I know you said at one point it was done whenthe units were sent in for CMD repair, but I am not actually interested in that much, I did enjoy and get used to being able to have LL switched on at all times in 24p when I was assessing the 9900.
The 11 second sync time was a welcome change.
Yes, I was told that is corrected also.
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Many people ask what is the difference between the x20 series vs the x40 series.
RS420 vs RS440
420 has E-shift 4 and 440 has E-shift 5
420 has 2 year warranty and 440 has 3 year warranty with advanced replacement.
420 dynamic iris works on 1080P 2D and 3D content. 440 dynamic iris works with all (4K) content.
RS520 vs RS540
520 has E-shift 4 and 540 has E-shift 5
520 has 3 year warranty and 540 has 3 year warranty with advanced replacement.
520 dynamic iris works on 1080P 2D and 3D content. 540 dynamic iris works with all (4K) content.
520 HDR mode uses DCI P3 filter. 540 has two HDR modes, one with DCI P3 filter and one without filter.
RS620 vs RS540
520 has E-shift 4 and 640 has E-shift 5
620 has 5 year warranty and 540 has 3 year warranty with advanced replacement.
620 dynamic iris works on 1080P 2D and 3D content. 640 dynamic iris works with all (4K) content.
620 HDR mode uses DCI P3 filter. 640 has two HDR modes, one with DCI P3 filter and one without filter.
There are HF Fury products that you can add to the x20 series models that will give you use of the dynamic iris on these models.
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A question regarding vertical stretch for an A-lens comes up often. The JVC lamp based projectors can do vertical stretch for 1080P content at all accepted frame rates. With 4k content, they can do vertical stretch at 24p and 30p. So if you have a streaming device like Roku or Apple TV, you need to set those up so that they use native frame rate, because you will not be able to vertically stretch 4k 60p content. This is do to the required processing power to do this. The only JVC and Sony projectors that can do vertical stretch of 4k 60p are the VW885, RS4500 and VW5000.
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If you have the Oppo 203 or 205, that gives you another choice for vertical stretch and can do the stretch with 4K 60P content.
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This question often comes up. There is a fix for the bug where low latency and E-shift is turned on at the same time. This fix also takes care of the CMD banding. All of our projectors have this fix.
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I just saw this on Twitter -
" Client’s JVC HDR projector had 700 hours of use on it since I last measured it. The light output was unchanged and the color only shifted slightly. " RS520.
https://twitter.com/HomeCinemaGuru/status/984892594919559169
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I just saw this on Twitter -
" Client’s JVC HDR projector had 700 hours of use on it since I last measured it. The light output was unchanged and the color only shifted slightly. " RS520.
https://twitter.com/HomeCinemaGuru/status/984892594919559169
Jeff seems extremely blunt and not afraid to call foul when it's there. I read a post on the other forum where someone was insinuating that JVC bulbs dim ridiculously fast. That hasn't been the case since the first generation eshift units iirc. And even then, JVC recognized the fault and issued a revised lamp with the fin (or whatever it was called) to help properly cool it so it wouldn't degrade so fast. JVC time and time again seem to listen and rectify issues that their users have with the projectors they sell. That isn't the case with some of the other big names in this industry.
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Case in point:
https://twitter.com/HomeCinemaGuru/status/985004812105408512
;D :P
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Jeff seems extremely blunt and not afraid to call foul when it's there. I read a post on the other forum where someone was insinuating that JVC bulbs dim ridiculously fast. That hasn't been the case since the first generation eshift units iirc. And even then, JVC recognized the fault and issued a revised lamp with the fin (or whatever it was called) to help properly cool it so it wouldn't degrade so fast. JVC time and time again seem to listen and rectify issues that their users have with the projectors they sell. That isn't the case with some of the other big names in this industry.
A friend of mines RS600 with over 2000 hours on the lamp only has a 10% lightloss since new, I have calibrated it several times and it has been incredible stable. After the initial gamma drop I have only done minor tweeks to get reference results, meaning all delta E´s under 1 in both grayscale (21 point) and colorspace (saturation sweeps in Calman). This is about the same with all JVC´s I have followed the last years and what Cine4Home says about the unstability of the gamma and it takes about 1,5 years for it to get stabilize is not my experience. In my and many others experience the gamma stabilizes in around 2-300 hours. Another friend of mines RS540 the gamma has not dropped at all in 200 hours.
The same can not be said of Sony projectors, they are very unstable and loose about 20-30% light in the first 100-200 hours. The worst I have seen is 40% in 200 hours.
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Ya, that's really good lamp life !
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These newer JVC lamps seem the closest thing to laser compared to anything other lamp based brand out there.
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I went to a local home theater meet this evening. A local guy here owns an RS500 like me. He asked me if I could bring mine over to try out a stack setup to see how much better HDR would look with roughly double the brightness. When setting up the stack I noticed something odd. His RS500 seemed to appear more washed out than mine did. I didn't understand why until I looked at the lens. I could tell he had definitely "cleaned" it recently. I asked him how often he cleaned the lens and he told me he usually did it once every other month or so just to get the dust off of it. He said he was gentle using proper lens paper. But I could tell the damage was done. It was nothing obvious, but you could see what appeared to be a slight foggy-ness on the exit element due to what I assumed where micro-scratches from him cleaning off dust a dozen or so times since he bought it. The contrast on these projectors is high enough that even the slightest extra light scatter making it's way back inside the projector or even bouncing around the lens and then back on screen does visible damage with contrast in mixed-APL scenes. That's exactly what these micro scratches do. An all back image looked as dark as my RS500, but in other mixed content with both bright and dark elements his unit appeared more washed out when looking at those darker elements. I measured gamma just to be sure it wasn't related to that. I didn't mention anything to him as I don't think he noticed, but I definitely did as I was the one setting them up.
TL:DR - DO NOT TOUCH YOUR LENS if there is just dust on it. In fact, I'd go as far to say don't touch the lens unless there is something visible on screen due to stuck-on debris on the lens. It's just not worth it.
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Yep, that is exactly what I have been telling people for years.
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TL:DR - DO NOT TOUCH YOUR LENS if there is just dust on it. In fact, I'd go as far to say don't touch the lens unless there is something visible on screen due to stuck-on debris on the lens. It's just not worth it.
Absolutely spot on advice!!
When i received my 2nd new JVC Z1 replacement , it somehow got contaminants on the lens during shipping ( see pic) .
When i notified JVC , they promptly advised NOT to touch or attempt to clean the lens. Instead they dispatched me "another" new Z1 replacement.
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would using compressed air work?
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I always knew how delicate lens coatings were from the days way back when I was into telescopes. The general rule was don't clean anything unless you absolutely had to (something stuck that obstructs view, etc.).
I remember someone who had an RS57 posted in the classified section at the other site a while back who stated how he cleaned the lens every other month. That was supposed to be a selling point.
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would using compressed air work?
I suppose that would be okay, but in reality I doubt enough dust would accumulate on the lens to make a visible difference in picture quality.
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I suppose that would be okay, but in reality I doubt enough dust would accumulate on the lens to make a visible difference in picture quality.
Yep. I never used a manual lens cover on my projectors. A projector lens has an anti static dust coating on it. Even after several years of use, it did not have any affect on the image.
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would using compressed air work?
Just don't hold it too close to the lens because of the hard force of the air.
I also seem to recall that there are contaminants in the can (or depending on the brand) which can come out in certain circumstances. I would do homework on it if used.
But I really don't think anything is necessary.
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A lot of the canned air you find will have things like a bitterant chemical mixed in with the air so idiot kids looking to get high don't buy it.
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" Dust Off " compressed air should be fine. I've used it just to blow dust off the lens of various projectors. As previously stated, don't hold the can close. Don't shake the can either.
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I really don't get Tom Norton's review ratings at S&V.
He gives the JVC X590 a 4/5 for performance and gives a 4.5/5 to the Epson 4000? :-X Maybe it's tied into price class, but still.
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I really don't get Tom Norton's review ratings at S&V.
He gives the JVC X590 a 4/5 for performance and gives a 4.5/5 to the Epson 4000? :-X Maybe it's tied into price class, but still.
Yes, he needs to give an explanation of his rating system, because, I doubt even Epson would rate their 4000 as good as the JVC. :)
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It must be based on price categories. That would make sense.
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would using compressed air work?
I would never use compressed air, unless your 200% sure its clean, i seen to much stuff come out of air cans, and from compressors.
Using a rocket blower like the one you use for your canera sensor is my prefered tool.
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I would never use compressed air, unless your 200% sure its clean, i seen to much stuff come out of air cans, and from compressors.
Using a rocket blower like the one you use for your canera sensor is my prefered tool.
First thing that I thought of was a enema dispenser. I guess dual usage if cleaned between usage. :)
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Blow out sale on remaining stock open box RS420's, $2,499. We also have B-stock starting at $1,999. This is for the few remaining in stock. If looking for a great deal on the entry level JVC, call us now.
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Here's another goofy rating.
Acer DLP, MSRP $3999, got a 4 star which makes it about equal to the RS440 in MSRP price and rating based on their take. My guess is he's taking laser as part of the "performance" but still. The laser doesn't come anywhere near making for what it loses to the JVC (for most people).
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/acer-vl7860-dlp-projector-review
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Here's another goofy rating.
Acer DLP, MSRP $3999, got a 4 star which makes it about equal to the RS440 in MSRP price and rating based on their take. My guess is he's taking laser as part of the "performance" but still. The laser doesn't come anywhere near making for what it loses to the JVC (for most people).
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/acer-vl7860-dlp-projector-review
Quite a contrast multiplier - " The projector’s highest standard dynamic range contrast ratio was achieved with the Rec.709 color preset and Dynamic Black mode active. With this combination, black level measured 0.003 ft-L and peak white 44 ft-L for a contrast ratio of 14,666:1. Contrast ratio in the same preset with Dynamic Black turned off was 508:1. Maximum light output was measured at 110 ft-L with contrast set to maximum in Bright mode with Eco mode switched off. "
14,666:1 is pretty good, but I'd guess to get there from 508:1 means artifacts. There would have to be.