You talk like contrast is nothing. You know that ISF does not share that opinion. Every year, after CEDIA someone always asks what was the best looking projector at CEDIA. For the last several years the answer has been an LCOS projector. CEDIA has DLP's there that are brighter, higher contrast and if cost is any indicator, better lenses and yet every year, they do not get the nod for best image at the show. Where DLP does get the nod is in light output. The LK990 throws a sharp image, but LCOS is pretty good in that area also. Take a look here where Projector Central tested resolution of the RS2000 to the BenQ HT9060.https://www.projectorcentral.com/Projector-Resolution-Shootout-Part-2.htmThe LK990 may be sharper than the HT9060, but at this point we are splitting hairs, since everyone readily admits the HT9060 is very sharp. So you are trying to use light output as the big differentiator and I am using contrast. I believe ISF is on my side.
Heck, I can't even remember the answer. Can you link to the post where you answeredthe question?
......Post #43 in the "Question About Contrast Ratio" thread on AVSF. And Markmon already has said repeatedly the contrast difference between the 4500 and the LK970 with your settings was laughable in dark scenes like space shots. If you don't believe me, I can dig up quotes. Everybody that has viewed an LK side by side with an RS2000 has come to the same conclusion. You argue against that conclusion and yet you have not compared the two side by side, much less side by side in a good blacked out room.
You can dig up all the quotes you want, but you are posting about the older LK970, which has neither HDR nor SmartEco Dynamic Laser Dimming support, not the LK990 which has both upgraded features and also which with I am discussing what it does and how it looks with Dolby Vision LLDV native and upconverted signals being displayed. So what you are posting is totally moot. How exactly do you know what room I have BTW? While it isn't a total bat cave, I do have black curtains I pull around the sides and front and it gets virtually pitch black when watching if I want, especially at night.
Sigh... I actually have no interest in arguing back and forth, I think I said all I needed to say earlier, simply read the post again if you wish, that was my stance months ago (I had that LK990 a full year ago now) and it still is now......
....No, I havent read every post you ever wrote, nor do I care to... I just read the past few pages in here and chuckled that you are all still debating all this stuff......
...Yes I kinda know what the LLDV hack is, I asked about it and read some stuff on the other forum. Sounds good, I am happy for you, but I dont need, nor have ANY interest in it because MadVR does everything I want. And no, I am not interested in testing it against MadVR, couldnt care less......
....If you emailed me about it I would have said the same thing, I havent exactly been around on the forums too much because to be honest I am sick of the bitching from everyone, I have just been watching stuff and enjoying content (dont forget to do that), I dont care for the drama or minutae much any more. I have a second kid on the way, and I am trying to build a house, so my attention is definitely elsewhere for the better.....
....Sorry but roadio and tv broadcasting is not the 'artistic' side of film making. Roast me all you want for that comment but my day job is literally working with Directors on creative, so I could talk all day about creative intent and reasoning behind things like lenses, camera frame rates, shutter speeds, when and why to use them differently, grading, editing etc. That is always the aspect behind which I comment, in this care we talked about motion, I am incredibly sensitive to it because its used as a tool, and when I see motion that is not normal it throws me off, the LK did that. Plus you just admitted that you are not that sensitive to motion? You asked for a certain thing to test? Everything! I saw it instantly in all sources.....
...I used MadVR dynamic tone mapping on the LK... Something you seem to keep glossing over, again, read the first sentence of my previous post, because it stands 100% (about your settings invalidating everything)....
....I am not going to accept that the LK is capable of a lower black floor than what I saw, and measured, it just CANNOT, its a function of physics, if you found a way to make the Dimming more active, more of the time, thats great, but you are not going to convince me that it digs deeper than it did before.....
....However, if you can produce some actual data, then you could completely negate all of this banter, just put the measurements online and let them speak for themselves. Find content that supports your theory, measure the screen, measure the contrast... whatever. If people constantly didnt believe what I saw about something I would simply find data to back up my statements, the problem is you never ever post anything. And around we go?.....
....One thing I have said in the past and I will say it again, stop reducing all this to some personal insult against yourself, dont take it all to heart like you are. I am sure you would be a most decent person to have a coke with in person...
....Lastly, why do you even care what we think?Admit it, you chuckled when I posted the Henry Cavill gif didn't you... I had a laugh posting it....
...C'mon man, lighten up.
As I said, I am not interested in arguing... Enjoy your life Dave.
Then don’t help create an argument where there shouldn’t be one.
You and Dylan were doing just fine at that before me.
So what was your point for joining in if you had no interest and didn’t care, other than the reasons I deduced in my prior post?
Javs, I was talking with Kris Deering last week and I told him that not being able to post on the other forum has become a blessing in disguise. Like you, I'm over the back and forth endless arguing over things we thought were settled upon over a decade ago. I'm only arguing with Dave because I don't want people to assume that the performance the LK990 offers is competitive with most other projectors near its price. It's just not in an overall sense. You're getting all that brightness at the cost of a lot of other things that most people find important. I couldn't care less if a display is a little better at displaying some high nit specular highlights, especially if it's at the expense of a terrible black floor and subjective contrast performance. And this is only made worse when you factor in the amazing things current DTM software can do to an HDR image. 1000:1 native and up to 4500:1 dynamic contrast was terrible performance over a decade ago, so why should we be happy with a nearly 6 figure projector offering contrast that was bad by standards set over a decade ago, and even worse by today's?
Well, I was actually posting on topic. They were my impressions on the LK990. Thats it......
...Why dont you get on topic yourself and stop going into personal crap calling me a troll etc. Not nice Dave.
How are impressions from a year ago, not related in the slightest to what’s being discussed now, except for the projector itself, on the current topic? You’re giving opinions on something you’ve never seen. Would it be OK for me to go into a thread for the RS600, which I saw awhile ago and passed judgement on, and complain that it looks like crap and can’t look good now when MadVR, a Radiance Pro or Envy was now added, without ever seeing the end results of that?Nice deflection and redirection flipping it all around to try to make you the victim here!What you did was the very definition of a troll Javs and you know it. You came to this thread again with ONE purpose in mind and it’s very clear! You posted nothing that had any bearing whatsoever on the current topic and discussion and only posted to once again make me look the fool and you being “one of the cool guys”.Take care everyone. It’s not worth my time or effort here any longer. Once again I was mistaken.
That's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, Dave. You've made proclamations on performance without having seen other hardware as well. By the way, yes, you could go into the RS600 thread and state that stock HDR performance looks like "crap" compared to what a Lumagen or HTPC with madVR can do for that projector. That is pretty much an objective truth on the matter. That's how much of a difference DTM makes, especially with how the software has matured. It's leaps and bounds better than it has ever looked. Maybe you should wait on making claims about your LLDV hack's performance before you see how these other solutions work. As you've said in a previous post, you're just going to have to come to the mainland US and prove us wrong. If that day comes, I'll gladly show up to see what your LK990 can do. If we're blown away with what we see, I will be the first to publicly state that I was wrong.
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