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JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread

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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #195 on: January 07, 2019, 08:28:28 PM »
Not much we can add on any of the new JVC's because the 3000's are just starting to ship, so no one really has any numbers. 24,000:1 to 25,000:1 does not sound bad, though I was hoping for a little better. First RS3000 in the US was delivered today. Customer loves it, but he was coming from an RS60
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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #196 on: January 08, 2019, 06:06:57 AM »
Not much we can add on any of the new JVC's because the 3000's are just starting to ship, so no one really has any numbers. 24,000:1 to 25,000:1 does not sound bad, though I was hoping for a little better. First RS3000 in the US was delivered today. Customer loves it, but he was coming from an RS60

I was expecting closer to 30,000:1 minimum contrast for the RS3000. I'll be using my RS2000 close to telephoto end of the zoom range so I hope to get at least 25,000:1 minimum contrast with the RS2000 in my theater.

Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #197 on: January 08, 2019, 06:20:23 AM »
Is there much visible difference between 25k and 30k?

Are these with iris open or full closed?  I assume this is an improvement over the RS4500/Z1?
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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #198 on: January 08, 2019, 07:43:56 AM »
Is there much visible difference between 25k and 30k?

Are these with iris open or full closed?  I assume this is an improvement over the RS4500/Z1?

Iris open / Longest throw.

Yes, much improvement over the Z1 for sure.

First batch of RS2000 / N7 arrived in Germany it seems.
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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #199 on: January 08, 2019, 08:02:15 AM »
JVC USA announcing today that buyers will receive a free spare lamp coupon for projectors received before March 31st. :)
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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #200 on: January 08, 2019, 08:55:47 AM »
Is there much visible difference between 25k and 30k?

Are these with iris open or full closed?  I assume this is an improvement over the RS4500/Z1?

I suspect only with very dark content you'd notice a difference in contrast between 25,000:1 and 30,000:1.

Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #201 on: January 08, 2019, 09:10:33 AM »
Iris open / Longest throw.

Yes, much improvement over the Z1 for sure.

First batch of RS2000 / N7 arrived in Germany it seems.


I'm hoping this means the first batch of units have arrived in the US too then.

Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #202 on: January 08, 2019, 09:16:39 AM »
I realize my concern is probably unanswerable at this point, but just to throw it out there:

I bought my RS400 in the Spring of 2016, and the HDR limitations (the inadequacy of Gamma D itself, as well as its auto-switching, disabling of DI) were frustrating, and addressed by JVC in the subsequent x20 and x40 models.  So I bought the Linker, uploaded some custom curves, and was able to work around the fact that JVC didn't do a firmware upgrade that might have been able to remedy some or all of these issues.

I'm now looking at the RS3000, which promises to be a ground-breaking Projector, and given the delays from JVC, it could be February if not later before I might be able to get one.

There are bound to be at least some minor issues, perhaps major ones, with this new product, and if JVC behaves the same as it did with the x00 line, then they would be addressed or corrected with the next model, possibly available Nov. or Dec of 2019.  If that were to happen, with no firmware updates to address them, I'd be pretty upset, given the relatively short period of time between ready availability of the RS3000 and its replacement model, perhaps as little as 6 months.

So, given all that, does anybody have any insight on whether or not JVC will be altering their usual annual update, to address the delay in the native 4k Projector line?  Or be more inclined to address problems via firmware update, which it apparently usually doesn't do?

If I'm going to spend that much money, I'd want some reassurance that I wouldn't see a repeat of what we experienced with the x00 line.

Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #203 on: January 08, 2019, 09:40:41 AM »
Seems like the final NX9 machines lie in the 25,000:1 to 28,000:1 range according to early reports.  10% more, than our Prepro sample.

RS2000/N7 will be likely in the 20,000:1 to 23,000:1 range then.


Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #204 on: January 08, 2019, 10:06:31 AM »
Is there much visible difference between 25k and 30k?


That's only about a 15% difference...it would be very hard to see. In general, I would not worry about it. 

However, I will say this.  On my RS440, I'm getting about 15,200:1 with iris wide for UHD BD and around I'm 21,000:1 in my SDR/1080p mode with iris mostly closed.  And yes, I can see the difference although not huge...but that is a 28% difference.

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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #205 on: January 08, 2019, 10:23:41 AM »
I realize my concern is probably unanswerable at this point, but just to throw it out there:

I bought my RS400 in the Spring of 2016, and the HDR limitations (the inadequacy of Gamma D itself, as well as its auto-switching, disabling of DI) were frustrating, and addressed by JVC in the subsequent x20 and x40 models.  So I bought the Linker, uploaded some custom curves, and was able to work around the fact that JVC didn't do a firmware upgrade that might have been able to remedy some or all of these issues.

I'm now looking at the RS3000, which promises to be a ground-breaking Projector, and given the delays from JVC, it could be February if not later before I might be able to get one.

There are bound to be at least some minor issues, perhaps major ones, with this new product, and if JVC behaves the same as it did with the x00 line, then they would be addressed or corrected with the next model, possibly available Nov. or Dec of 2019.  If that were to happen, with no firmware updates to address them, I'd be pretty upset, given the relatively short period of time between ready availability of the RS3000 and its replacement model, perhaps as little as 6 months.

So, given all that, does anybody have any insight on whether or not JVC will be altering their usual annual update, to address the delay in the native 4k Projector line?  Or be more inclined to address problems via firmware update, which it apparently usually doesn't do?

If I'm going to spend that much money, I'd want some reassurance that I wouldn't see a repeat of what we experienced with the x00 line.

JVC issues firmware updates to correct problems, but not to add features. Also with the new models using USB, firmware updates are less of an issue for owners. The 4500 using USB was very easy to update.
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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #206 on: January 08, 2019, 11:30:37 AM »
JVC issues firmware updates to correct problems, but not to add features. Also with the new models using USB, firmware updates are less of an issue for owners. The 4500 using USB was very easy to update.

Thanks for the reply, Mike.

One could argue that Gamma D was basically defective and unusable right off the bat, and therefore a problem deserving of a firmware update to fix (but I do understand someone arguing otherwise).

All that said, do you think the delay in this new generation of projectors will alter the usual annual update cycle, or think that JVC will act any differently with regards to firmware updates because of the delays?

Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #207 on: January 08, 2019, 11:46:03 AM »
Thanks for the reply, Mike.

One could argue that Gamma D was basically defective and unusable right off the bat, and therefore a problem deserving of a firmware update to fix (but I do understand someone arguing otherwise).

All that said, do you think the delay in this new generation of projectors will alter the usual annual update cycle, or think that JVC will act any differently with regards to firmware updates because of the delays?

Part of the issue was that the RS400/500/600 projectors were designed as the HDR10 standards were being finalized. JVC tried their best to implement HDR10 based on what they assumed the standard was going to be when finalized. If I remember correctly, the initial firmware that shipped with projectors had the clip point set to 10,000 nits which was far too high. The subsequent firmware lowered the clip point set for gamma D to 4000 or 2000 nits. I can't remember which.

Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #208 on: January 08, 2019, 02:39:34 PM »
I see one NX9 owner is saying his unit measures in at roughly 30,000:1 at the telephoto end of the lens. I'm hoping most of the other units measure this way too. Hopefully only a small loss after calibration.

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Re: JVC RS1000 / 2000 Anticipation Thread
« Reply #209 on: January 08, 2019, 03:00:29 PM »
Thanks for the reply, Mike.

One could argue that Gamma D was basically defective and unusable right off the bat, and therefore a problem deserving of a firmware update to fix (but I do understand someone arguing otherwise).

All that said, do you think the delay in this new generation of projectors will alter the usual annual update cycle, or think that JVC will act any differently with regards to firmware updates because of the delays?

Looking at what we know now, yes, but looking at it back when these projectors were designed, no.
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