and im not really interested in a control4 since it is installer based
thanks!
I totally understand, as a DIY guy myself. But it is an incredibly powerful system, which I'm really enjoying. It makes my somewhat complex theater so much easier to operate.
You would need to work through a Dealer to get it set up, but afterwards, you can use "Composer Home Edition" which does give DIY guys the ability to customize pretty much all of the programming, to make it operate the way you would want it to.
You might still not be interested, but people are often not aware of Composer HE, which gives you a fair amount of control without needing the Dealer.
FWIW.