JVC DLA-RS1000/N5 & RS2000/NX7 Owners Thread

[Dylan Seeger]

We just need a MadVR + JVC discussion over here and I can move over here full time .  The calibration one is top notch.  I have an RS2000.

For the most part, madVR is the only thing I use. The quality of not only HDR to SDR conversion but also upscaling is just incredible to the point where I can't recommend anyone use anything else for UHD/1080p blu-ray content. Unless you have the cash for a Lumagen and even then I don't know if the image quality will be as good. The Lumagen Pro is definitely a better fit for those who want more of a plug n' play experience but it costs a fortune. The only pain in the neck with madVR is ripping the discs to my computer, but that is easy enough to do. Plus you can use something like Kodi to give your theater a Kaleidescape-like experience. When I have guests over they're very impressed.

When we're all spending tens of thousands of dollars on our theater equipment, I think going to these lengths to get the best possible looking image is important and using madVR really does give the image a little extra something. I'm excited to check out madshi's newest dynamic HDR processing. People are claiming better than HDR10+ results using it. This is important too, because the RS2000 doesn't support HDR10+ so this will be a better alternative.

[AVSCraig]

Yeah, I was shocked, when AVSF said you could not even discuss any other forum.

If you recall Mike, it's worse than that. I gave someone a link to this forum in a Private Message, and I got a warning for doing so. it like it run by ex Stasi officers. They must have watched " The Lives Of Others " and decided that was a good blueprint to run a forum. 

They're listening ........ :-[

[Manni]

 For the most part, madVR is the only thing I use. The quality of not only HDR to SDR conversion but also upscaling is just incredible to the point where I can't recommend anyone use anything else for UHD/1080p blu-ray content. Unless you have the cash for a Lumagen and even then I don't know if the image quality will be as good. The Lumagen Pro is definitely a better fit for those who want more of a plug n' play experience but it costs a fortune. The only pain in the neck with madVR is ripping the discs to my computer, but that is easy enough to do. Plus you can use something like Kodi to give your theater a Kaleidescape-like experience. When I have guests over they're very impressed. When we're all spending tens of thousands of dollars on our theater equipment, I think going to these lengths to get the best possible looking image is important and using madVR really does give the image a little extra something. I'm excited to check out madshi's newest dynamic HDR processing. People are claiming better than HDR10+ results using it. This is important too, because the RS2000 doesn't support HDR10+ so this will be a better alternative.

I can confirm that the new experiemental madVR tonemapping is better than HDR10+ You don't need to rip your discs to use madVR, you can play any physical disc as long as you have AnyDVDHD or similar running in the background. Then you only need to use a player that supports madVR (jRiver if you want menus, MPC-BE or others otherwise). I use MyMovies as a front-end, and it launches MPC-BE, although I use jRiver occasionally when I need menus. I also rip my discs to get this Kaleidescape experience, but I just wanted to point that it wasn't necessary, especially now that madVR is doing excellent dynamic tonemapping with the live algo (so it works even without measurements files). I'll start a thread for best calibration and playback settings with madVR after the next public build is released. Maybe I should create a placeholder explaining when it will start proper. Good to know you're a fan too and will be able to contribute.

[DLCPhoto]

You don't need to rip your discs to use madVR, you can play any physical disc as long as you have AnyDVDHD or similar running in the background.

This is the first I've heard of this possibility!  This could be a game changer for me.  The idea of the tedium and time needed to rip hundreds of discs was pretty off-putting, but if this is the case, it might be enough to get me off my a$$ and start seriously considering MadVR and HTPC. Thanks!

[Manni]

If you recall Mike, it's worse than that. I gave someone a link to this forum in a Private Message, and I got a warning for doing so. it like it run by ex Stasi officers. They must have watched " The Lives Of Others " and decided that was a good blueprint to run a forum. They're listening ........ :-[

Yes, I'm not using PMs to exchange any kind of "sensitive" information. I ask to move to email. I've been very careful not to link to any outside forum, even in PMs, but it's a fine line to walk. I think I'll have to be even more careful now.

[Tom Bley]

I can confirm that the new experiemental madVR tonemapping is better than HDR10+ You don't need to rip your discs to use madVR, you can play any physical disc as long as you have AnyDVDHD or similar running in the background. Then you only need to use a player that supports madVR (jRiver if you want menus, MPC-BE or others otherwise).

:o:o Reeeeally!?  If I can get a list of parts to build something in the $1200-1500 range to have MadVR scaling and HDR tonemapping I would.  I just didn't want to go through the ripping process yet.   looking for a more audio style case in the horizontal layout would be excellent.

[AVSMike]

I can confirm that the new experiemental madVR tonemapping is better than HDR10+ You don't need to rip your discs to use madVR, you can play any physical disc as long as you have AnyDVDHD or similar running in the background. Then you only need to use a player that supports madVR (jRiver if you want menus, MPC-BE or others otherwise). I use MyMovies as a front-end, and it launches MPC-BE, although I use jRiver occasionally when I need menus. I also rip my discs to get this Kaleidescape experience, but I just wanted to point that it wasn't necessary, especially now that madVR is doing excellent dynamic tonemapping with the live algo (so it works even without measurements files). I'll start a thread for best calibration and playback settings with madVR after the next public build is released. Maybe I should create a placeholder explaining when it will start proper. Good to know you're a fan too and will be able to contribute.

If you use the computer for your streaming, would you be able to use MadVR on the streamed content?

[DLCPhoto]

Sorry for the additional MadVR diversion, but can it also shift subtitle position, and/or alter their luminance or other features?

I've been thinking of upgrading my UHD Player to gain the ability shift subtitles, which is sometimes needed on a scope screen, but if MadVR can now be used to play discs directly, and also shift subtitles, then I'll just wait a bit until the recent MadVR revolution is more settled with respect to HDR and Tone-mapping, and go that route!

[Dylan Seeger]

I can confirm that the new experiemental madVR tonemapping is better than HDR10+ You don't need to rip your discs to use madVR, you can play any physical disc as long as you have AnyDVDHD or similar running in the background. Then you only need to use a player that supports madVR (jRiver if you want menus, MPC-BE or others otherwise). I use MyMovies as a front-end, and it launches MPC-BE, although I use jRiver occasionally when I need menus. I also rip my discs to get this Kaleidescape experience, but I just wanted to point that it wasn't necessary, especially now that madVR is doing excellent dynamic tonemapping with the live algo (so it works even without measurements files). I'll start a thread for best calibration and playback settings with madVR after the next public build is released. Maybe I should create a placeholder explaining when it will start proper. Good to know you're a fan too and will be able to contribute.

I never said it was a must, but for me I like having them on my PC which is why I rip the discs. And what are you doing for discs that require seamless branching if you aren't remuxing to mkv (which can't happen if you aren't ripping)? The only way around it that I can think of would be to to load the appropriate .mpls file into your media player to avoid issues. But that would still require something like eac3to to find out which mpls file is correct to use. I guess. if you aren't ripping, JRiver might be the best option as it works more like a traditional blu-ray player and automatically detects these for seamless branching. I use MPC-HC as my media player.

[AVSCraig]

:o:o Reeeeally!?  If I can get a list of parts to build something in the $1200-1500 range to have MadVR scaling and HDR tonemapping I would.  I just didn't want to go through the ripping process yet.   looking for a more audio style case in the horizontal layout would be excellent.

Same here. If no ripping required, this could be a game changer right here. 

[AVSCraig]

Sorry for the additional MadVR diversion, but can it also shift subtitle position, and/or alter their luminance or other features?

I've been thinking of upgrading my UHD Player to gain the ability shift subtitles, which is sometimes needed on a scope screen, but if MadVR can now be used to play discs directly, and also shift subtitles, then I'll just wait a bit until the recent MadVR revolution is more settled with respect to HDR and Tone-mapping, and go that route!

You can easily do that on a panasonic UB820. I just played with that the other night in fact. 

[Dylan Seeger]

You guys mean shift the subtitles so they're always in the video portion of the frame? Yes, that is something you can setup. I think it's setup that way by default with my media player.

[DLCPhoto]

You guys mean shift the subtitles so they're always in the video portion of the frame? Yes, that is something you can setup. I think it's setup that way by default with my media player.

You can easily do that on a panasonic UB820. I just played with that the other night in fact. 

That's definitely one of the appeals of the UB820, and one of the reasons I've thought of upgrading.  But if I can set up an HTPC with MadVR, play discs, and shift the subtitles, then that would do it all for me.

Dylan, that's good news.  Most of the time, with scope screens, the subtitles are within the video portion, but every once in a while, they're either entirely within the black bars, or overlapping the content and black bars.  That makes them unusable with a scope screen.  So being able to shift them up where they can be seen would be awesome.

And on this subject, it is my understanding that sometimes the subtitles are 'hard' encoded and can't be moved.  But hopefully that wouldn't occur too often.

[Manni]

If you use the computer for your streaming, would you be able to use MadVR on the streamed content?

It depends if the software you use for streaming supports madVR or not. I know that some DVB software support madVR, but I'm not sure about streaming app as for now I use my UB900 for casual streaming.

[Manni]

I never said it was a must, but for me I like having them on my PC which is why I rip the discs. And what are you doing for discs that require seamless branching if you aren't remuxing to mkv (which can't happen if you aren't ripping)? The only way around it that I can think of would be to to load the appropriate .mpls file into your media player to avoid issues. But that would still require something like eac3to to find out which mpls file is correct to use. I guess. if you aren't ripping, JRiver might be the best option as it works more like a traditional blu-ray player and automatically detects these for seamless branching. I use MPC-HC as my media player.

Well, you kind of implied it when you stated that "the only pain in the neck with madVR was to rip your discs".  That's why I clarified to say it wasn't necessary.


MPC-BE is usually perfectly fine to find the correct .mpls if you read a bdmv folder (including seamless branching), but occasionally it won't be the one you're after, especially when you have two versions on the same disc (theatrical / extended for example). jRiver gives you menus (when they work, some titles still have issues as UHD BD Menus us still quite experimental, so is the closest to a standalone player.

I don't know about MPC, I always prefered MPC-BE for cinema use as it's interface is nicer and MPC-HC is kind of dead now, so it's a bit of a dead end.