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JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9

Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #315 on: September 06, 2019, 03:19:34 PM »
Ah yeah good deal.  The Spyder is certainly handy for fixing gamma droop that every JVC will suffer from.

I feel like with the combination of the i1 Pro 2 and i1Display Pro 3 along with free software such as HCFR and DisplayCAL I can calibrate essentially anything.  I have already calibrated a handful of projectors including JVC RS400, RS600, RS620, NX5, NX7, Sony HW50ES, HW55ES, Epson LS10500, Panasonic PT-AE8000U, and BenQ LK970.

I have also calibrated a bunch of computer monitors and a few TVs and so far with the combination of these 2 meters I am getting very consistently measured and consistent looking results on all the displays I have calibrated.

I find the free HCFR and DisplayCAL sufficient, but feel free to go with something like CalMAN if you want workflows or Lightspace or ChromaPure too.

I don't think there is a more cost-effective way to great calibration than this and again the great this is these 2 meters work with all the software, so you will never feel locked into anything.

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #316 on: September 06, 2019, 03:20:36 PM »
Thanks Manni! 
Just one more question.  If I bought just the i1 pro 2 meter and I wanted to use Calman or LightSpace to calibrate a display other than the JVC projector,  could I use the i1 Pro 2 to color correct my Spyder5 meter and use that for calibration with those packages?  or do I need the i1DisplayPro meter and my Spyder5 is only good for gamma Autocal with the JVC.

You'll be able to use the i1pro2 to correct your Spyder 5 with any calibration software. As far as I know, they all support both, hence my recommendation :). Calman and Lightspace definitely do.

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #317 on: September 06, 2019, 03:22:55 PM »
Ah yeah good deal.  The Spyder is certainly handy for fixing gamma droop that every JVC will suffer from.

I feel like with the combination of the i1 Pro 2 and i1Display Pro 3 along with free software such as HCFR and DisplayCAL I can calibrate essentially anything.  I have already calibrated a handful of projectors including JVC RS400, RS600, RS620, NX5, NX7, Sony HW50ES, HW55ES, Epson LS10500, Panasonic PT-AE8000U, and BenQ LK970.

I have also calibrated a bunch of computer monitors and a few TVs and so far with the combination of these 2 meters I am getting very consistently measured and consistent looking results on all the displays I have calibrated.

I find the free HCFR and DisplayCAL sufficient, but feel free to go with something like CalMAN if you want workflows or Lightspace or ChromaPure too.

I don't think there is a more cost-effective way to great calibration than this and again the great this is these 2 meters work with all the software, so you will never feel locked into anything.


Did you miss the part where I said that GregCH already owns a Spyder 5 Elite? :) 

There is no point in buying an i1d3 when you already have a Spyder 5 Elite, especially for JVC Autocal use.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2019, 03:24:49 PM by Manni »

Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #318 on: September 06, 2019, 03:24:02 PM »
Thanks Manni! 
Just one more question.  If I bought just the i1 pro 2 meter and I wanted to use Calman or LightSpace to calibrate a display other than the JVC projector,  could I use the i1 Pro 2 to color correct my Spyder5 meter and use that for calibration with those packages?  or do I need the i1DisplayPro meter and my Spyder5 is only good for gamma Autocal with the JVC.

I have both a Spyder5 and the i1Display Pro 3.

It's true you can correct the Spyder5 with the i2 Pro 2 for use with calibration software other than autocal.

It will read the light correctly then on all different display types, but in my experience, the Spyder5 is not as consistent in its readings to get a really great calibration.  So it just depends on your goal for how accurate you want your calibration.

Also, the Spyder5 is not as good at reading low light off a projection screen which is normally how you would want to calibrate a projector so as to take into account the screen's color.

Finally, the Spyder5 is significantly slower than the i1Display Pro 3.  Like 5x slower.  So if you will be making any 3D LUTs, you would want the i1Display Pro 3 as it can save hours and will result in a much more consistent 3D LUT.

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #319 on: September 06, 2019, 03:27:07 PM »
I have both a Spyder5 and the i1Display Pro 3.

It's true you can correct the Spyder5 with the i2 Pro 2 for use with calibration software other than autocal.

It will read the light correctly then on all different display types, but in my experience, the Spyder5 is not as consistent in its readings to get a really great calibration.  So it just depends on your goal for how accurate you want your calibration.

Also, the Spyder5 is not as good at reading low light off a projection screen which is normally how you would want to calibrate a projector so as to take into account the screen's color.

Finally, the Spyder5 is significantly slower than the i1Display Pro 3.  Like 5x slower.  So if you will be making any 3D LUTs, you would want the i1Display Pro 3 as it can save hours and will result in a much more consistent 3D LUT.

Yes, yes, but GregCH already owns a Spyder 5 Elite :)

He doesn't want or even need to buy three meters. and he'll get a lot more from an i1pro2 (or compatible, I hope he's seen my edit about looking at the first post and the "Which Meter to use?" section, which lists far less expensive options than the i1pro2 basic package).

If he wants a better meter than the Spyder 5 with an i1pro2, then he should get a Discus, not an i1d3 which has very poor low light and is unable to read black.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2019, 03:29:04 PM by Manni »

Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #320 on: September 06, 2019, 03:28:17 PM »

Did you miss the part where I said that GregCH already owns a Spyder 5 Elite? :)
No I got that haha.  That was my "ah yeah good deal" part about already having a Spyder.  I know it wasn't clear.

I guess I was just "adding" on to my previous thoughts about how well I think the combination of the 2 X-rite meters is for the price and if he finds himself wanting more consistency, low light, and speed than the Spyder5, to think about a i1Display Pro.  Or another better quality meter if he decides on a calibration software by then and picks a colorimeter compatible with it.

Your Discus is great, but unfortunately not compatible with the free tools :( which I find are pretty great.  I am getting really great results from HCFR for manual stuff and DisplayCAL 3D LUTs now that I have my process more refined.

But yes I agree he should start with a i1 Pro 2 with the Spyder5.  And he can look into a i1Display Pro or other colorimeter (depending on cal software compatibility)  If he finds the Spyder5 is not up to the task (consistency, low light, speed) he is asking of it.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2019, 03:31:20 PM by SirMaster »

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #321 on: September 06, 2019, 03:35:23 PM »
No I got that haha.  That was my "ah yeah good deal" part about already having a Spyder.  I know it wasn't clear.

I guess I was just "adding" on to my previous thoughts about how well I think the combination of the 2 X-rite meters is for the price and if he finds himself wanting more consistency, low light, and speed than the Spyder5, to think about a i1Display Pro.  Or another better quality meter if he decides on a calibration software by then and picks a colorimeter compatible with it.

Your Discus is great, but unfortunately not compatible with the free tools :( which I find are pretty great.  I am getting really great results from HCFR for manual stuff and DisplayCAL 3D LUTs now that I have my process more refined.

But yes I agree he should start with a i1 Pro 2 with the Spyder5.
Yes, but did you read the part where he mentioned Calman and Lightspace ? :)

I'd be using DisplayCAL a lot more if it had support for the Discus, but unfortunately Graeme (developer of ArgyllCMS) has made it very clear that it's not going to come any time soon unless someone sends him one (as a gift, not as a loan) which I'm not prepared to do. :)

Anyway, glad we agree about the first step,  now back to the JVC Autocal...

Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #322 on: September 06, 2019, 03:39:56 PM »
I just wanted him to have budget options.

The Discuss is great of course, but it's £750.00 = $920 USD as far as I can tell.  You can find the i1D3 for under $200 in the states.  If you need to measure black then yes go Discuss.  But if you like power gamma 2.2, 2.4, etc and don't need BT.1886, I have so far found that the i1D3 has no problems reading dark patches for 3DLUT on JVC off the screen, or 5% grey, etc.

Maybe this is not good enough, but for me so far it has been.

Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #323 on: September 06, 2019, 06:16:18 PM »
Is the EFI ES-2000 the same as the i1 Pro 2?  Are there issues with using the EFI meter with JVC Autocal, LightSpace or Calman?

I found brand new full warranty EFI ES-2000 meters at Newegg software in the US for under $800. Best I could find a non-ebay i1 Pro 2 was $1165 US. 

Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #324 on: September 06, 2019, 10:13:04 PM »
Is the EFI ES-2000 the same as the i1 Pro 2?  Are there issues with using the EFI meter with JVC Autocal, LightSpace or Calman?

I found brand new full warranty EFI ES-2000 meters at Newegg software in the US for under $800. Best I could find a non-ebay i1 Pro 2 was $1165 US.

The hardware is the same, but the firmware may differ.

I know it will work in autocal, and DisplayCAL, but I do not know about other software unfortunately.  I would guess that it does, but I cannot be completely sure.


If you search around more I think you should be able to find the answer.

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #325 on: September 11, 2019, 06:58:01 AM »
Thanks for your feedback and confirmation, I've linked your post to the "Which meter to use" post. :)

Nice find on the Eizo, which looks like a clone of the Spyder 5 Express for half the price. If someone confirms that it works with the JVC Autocal V11 I'll mention it too.
Hi Manni,
I can confirm Eizo Ex3 is a Spyder 5 clone. Connected to  PC, with windows10, default name is Spyder 5 and use the same usb driver.

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #326 on: September 11, 2019, 07:01:19 AM »
Hi Manni,
I can confirm Eizo Ex3 is a Spyder 5 clone. Connected to  PC, with windows10, default name is Spyder 5 and use the same usb driver.
Great, thanks for this confirmation.

Just to make sure, you've tried it with the JVC Autocal V11 and the software accepts it as a Spyder 5?

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #327 on: September 11, 2019, 07:24:14 AM »
Looks like official SpyderX support for Autocal is being added in the next October firmware along with some other goodies.

New features
Frame by frame DTM HDR. Can also be set up for scene by scene. (uses 18-bit processing to avoid banding)
Anamorphic D (for DCR lens owners)
SpyderX support for autocal
More screen calibration presets

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consumer/firmware_update.html
Other than SpyderX, the main improvement will be software in the HDR management, improvement as the HDR Adaptive frame, new default profiles as MadVR etc.



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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #328 on: September 12, 2019, 12:41:23 AM »
Great, thanks for this confirmation.

Just to make sure, you've tried it with the JVC Autocal V11 and the software accepts it as a Spyder 5?
Hi Manni, this evening I will try with JVC Autocal and Calman.

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Re: JVC Autocal Software V11 calibration for 2019 RS1000/RS2000/RS3000/NX5/NX7/NX9
« Reply #329 on: September 12, 2019, 12:56:56 AM »
Hi Manni, this evening I will try with JVC Autocal and Calman.
Thanks, as soon as you confirm I'll link your confirmation in the "Which meter to use?" post.

I had already added there last week the information that Spyder X support was coming with the new f/w, but you gave the other improvements a lot more visibility with your (re)post above. :)

I have received a Spyder X yesterday (there is/was a significant discount on Amazon UK, so I took advantage of it as I wasn't sure if it would last or not). I haven't had the time to test it yet but I will. Not sure if Calman supports it yet, but Lightspace does. I'd like to check primarily the speed, which is apparently faster but it could be a software change, and the sensitivity near black. I hope to be able to post comparisons and first impressions by the time the Autocal software supporting it is released, so that people can decide if it's worth to upgrade or not if you already have a Spyder 5.

I already know that I don't like the new color. Anything white gets a thumb down in my bat cave, it hurts my eyes, but it's a meter, so I don't really mind, it won't be in my field of vision when I watch a film. :)
« Last Edit: September 12, 2019, 01:05:07 AM by Manni »

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