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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by Dylan Seeger on Today at 10:42:30 AM »
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I can all but guarantee its something similar to what woofer experienced before he figured out the proper settings. What you’re describing is NOT the way it should be. HDR movies is where this excels, so as I told woofer with the LK970, something isn’t right.

As I said previously, I am sure this is just with the stock HDR mode and most likely won’t be anywhere near as good as what I did on the LK970, so until I get the LK990 and figure it out if it can or can’t do the same or better, I would urge him to hold off returning it and making that decision.

Was this with tone mapping from HDR/BT2020 to SDR/BT2020? Was everything ruined by brightness matching his HDR (yuck!!!)? If all I did to the LK970 was an initial calibration, I doubt it would be what it is either and recall it wasn’t.

How am I not surprised with the result from there?

Wow, seems like a pretty desperate attempt to make excuses for the LK990's poor performance. We tried pretty much everything on the LK990 yesterday. We tried stock HDR settings, then your settings and then I calibrated it. We looked at tone mapped SDR content afterwards on top of sending it untouched HDR. We used both my HTPC wth madVR and Calvin's Panasonic UB820. What more would you like us to do, Dave? I mean, we ran the gamut here and literally tried everything we thought could help. Sorry, it CANNOT compete with the current Sony, Epson and JVC reflective-LCD projectors out there due to it's terrible contrast performance. It's horrendous by comparison as 1000:1 native would indicate. Yes, you can manipulate the gamma between black and white to try and trick people into thinking the LK990 has more contrast than it actually does, which your settings did do, but most of the time the image still looked washed out by comparison, but yes, it was better than stock HDR. And that wasn't with just dark content. Anytime there was mixed light and dark elements on screen you could see the image was lacking.

No we didn't brightness match because the LK990 doesn't allow for this if you want to use it's dynamic contrast system. For one movie clip we put the projector into Custom mode just to see how it would look if you turned off the dynamic contrast system (SmartEco) just in case someone wanted to tame the brightness a bit. We both literally laughed out loud it was so bad. To get the image to look even remotely good SmartEco NEEDS to be engaged. On top of this, the SmartEco mode's dynamic dimming is actually easy to see in it's operation. I only witnessed the JVC's working once and I was sure to tell Calvin when I saw it.

Please if you're going to try and slander me by telling others I didn't do something right during setup and comparison, have the decency to do it here so I can respond. I'm not an idiot. I know how a projector should look and how it should be setup. It's a bit ironic that last time you said it wasn't a fair comparison because the projector wasn't calibrated, but now that I have it still wasn't setup correctly because I wasn't using your settings. Well, which is it? Should it be calibrated to the same standards that the JVC is calibrated to or am I supposed to use your settings? To me, it doesn't matter what settings you're using because none of them can fix the horrendous contrast performance this machine has. It should be noted that this machine performs LESS than most other DLP projectors in this area so criticism is completely appropriate.

To be clear the LK990 is not a "bad" projector. It just cannot compete with the current reflective-LCD projectors in overall image quality. That was extremely evident yesterday. Calvin put it best. If you have poor light control or a large screen, the LK990 could be a good fit. But for dedicated home theater, with modest screen sizes, I can't recommend it. There are so many better choices out there and I don't just mean JVC projectors. For those who like DLP, I'd recommend picking up a used Sim2 Lumis. You can get them for less than a new BenQ LK970/LK990. There are great tone mapping solutions out there and great downscalers that could be used with the Sim2. I think the overall experience,  even with it being 1080p, would be dramatically better overall.
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by AVSCraig on Today at 09:38:16 AM »
That HT2050 I saw was around 1800:1 according to most published reports I read.  1000:1?  Ugh.
My RS4500 has the minimum native contrast required to keep me happy. Although I'm certainly willing to look at one of these if someone has one to demo close by - or at Cedia . Although Cedia demos can be problematic to say the least. 
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by Dylan Seeger on Today at 07:35:20 AM »
Rec709. It cannot do P3 or at least not in any of the color modes I looked at. 
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by venkatesh_m on Today at 04:45:52 AM »
I didn't save the calibration report, so I don't know if it hit 100% or not. I don't remember the exact percentage. It was very close.
Dylan,
Was this close to Rec709 or close to P3 ?
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by Dylan Seeger on Yesterday at 10:20:24 PM »
That's a shame on the input lag. It's a deal breaker for me.

Were you able to test whether the lk990 can achieve 100% rec 709 ?
I didn't save the calibration report, so I don't know if it hit 100% or not. I don't remember the exact percentage. It was very close. 
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by Dylan Seeger on Yesterday at 09:11:22 PM »
That HT2050 I saw was around 1800:1 according to most published reports I read.  1000:1?  Ugh.

This was measured close to maximum zoom so I suspect it could be higher with less zoom. But you'd be sacrificing lumen output (this projectors claim to fame) in doing so.
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by DavidHir on Yesterday at 08:20:08 PM »
If it had maybe 2500:1 native it could look a lot better, but 1000:1 contrast just cannot compete with today's projectors (or projectors from 10 years ago). I hope Calvin chimes in and tells us his thoughts.

That HT2050 I saw was around 1800:1 according to most published reports I read.  1000:1?  Ugh.
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by Set11 on Yesterday at 07:53:22 PM »
That's a shame on the input lag. It's a deal breaker for me.

Were you able to test whether the lk990 can achieve 100% rec 709 ?
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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by ckgolf on Yesterday at 05:39:38 PM »
Dylan and I had a much better session this afternoon with the BenQ and JVC. We did a lot of back and forth replaying the same scenes on each projector.  

Boy did the LK990 look flat on darker material, not just torture test material, but average lower lit scenes. The low contrast creates a haze over the picture that leaves you wanting more. This was my impression even before a head to head with the RS2000. The comparison made it that much more apparent. The RS2000 has real depth and dimension in those scenes. It’s not even close. 

The LK990 looks spectacular on brighter material! It’s super sharp, and very alluring. In the right environment, such as a living room where you’re fighting ambient light to watch tv, I could see this being the right choice.

In my dedicated theater where movies are my priority and I have full light control, the RS2000 is the right choice. It never looked offensive or drew attention to itself. It may not be as bright as the BenQ, but with proper tone mapping it’s bright enough on my 141” 2.35 screen. 

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Premium Projectors / Re: BenQ LK990 First Impressions
« Last post by AVSMike on Yesterday at 05:05:50 PM »
Thanks for the report. Matches with what I see every year at CEDIA. The LK990 would make a great sports projector. Make sure Calvin orders before the end of the month. That way he will be eligible for the free JVC lamp.
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