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Title: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on November 25, 2016, 02:23:37 PM
in no particular order my best pic 4k discs are:

1. Revenant
2. Deadpool
3. Star trek Beyond
4. ghostbusters 2016
5. sicario
6. Angry Birds
7. The Martian
8. Xmen:apolcalypse


some are hit or miss but most are great
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on November 25, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
I hope they will up the game a bit and start scanning some of the good 70mm films.. Yhere is just something about the wa film captures stuff.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: claw on November 25, 2016, 03:06:45 PM
I would choose Lucy over any other disc.   Every time I make any change to my setup, I end up watching Lucy all over again.   At least 7 times now beginning to end.  Never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on November 28, 2016, 08:55:07 AM
I would choose Lucy over any other disc.   Every time I make any change to my setup, I end up watching Lucy all over again.   At least 7 times now beginning to end.  Never ceases to amaze me.

I just finally bought Lucy in 4K on Black Friday ( and about 10 other 4K movies ). What will be interesting is to compare it to the Blu Ray, since that is one sharp 1080p disc. Kingsman looks great in 4K, but looks great on 1080p. If those preliminary Oppo 4K player reviews are accurate, 4K Blu Ray's should look better still than with my current Samsung player. It's going to be a long month waiting for the Oppo, I tell you !!
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on November 28, 2016, 08:59:43 AM
I plan on doing a bunch of 4K movie watching / testing this week, seeing as I will have a bunch of new ones to watch !
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on November 28, 2016, 09:52:02 AM
i double dipped on Pacific rim this weekend for 17.99 I could resist with all the glowing reviews!
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on November 28, 2016, 10:44:11 AM
i double dipped on Pacific rim this weekend for 17.99 I could resist with all the glowing reviews!

I got that movie too, and The Great Gatsby, Lone Survivor, Jupiter Rising ( a guilty pleasure purchase - haven't seen it ), Everest ( love this movie ), all four Hunger Games ( like them a lot too ), Mad Max ( which I held off on, but I'm looking forward to comparing with the BR, and comparing watching the 4K disc on the JVC vs the BR on my Sony VW600 ), Oblivion ( like this film too ). And I need to sit down and watch " Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon " on 4k too. I'm pretty much caught up - there are no more 4K movies that I want to buy, that are currently available. Waiting on " Arrival " and a few others to be released, and come down in price. 2017 looks to be a bigger 4K movie year, hopefully !
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on November 28, 2016, 11:32:42 AM
I dont really see much movies on UHD that has the quality to justify re buy them on UHD. Most of them dont take full advantage of HD blu ray resolution, like  The Great Gatsby.. It would not really matter if the source is 720 1080 or UHD.

Mad Max, Pacifik Rim is other what ill call medium resolution movie.

A good way to tell is to shoot some screenshots, without using all kinds of enhancements, a SONY projector wont do, but a JVC should be ok for it. And you will notice that its kind of hard to find frames where its going to show sharp high res content.

Another point is that i think most people look at UHD for sharpness, as they write on some of the movies.. 4 times sharper, i would think it should be more refined, softer more natural details.. But guess that dont sounds as impressive, and there seems to be a general consensus that sharper is what everybody want, i just gets a bit tired of all the woooowww sharpness and enhanced effects, and would really enjoy some true high res material where the goal is reproduction, or generate a trusthworthy image that puts you right where the action is.

Take a look on this UHD promotion for the UHD disc of the Martian.. They were not able to find a frame in the movie to use, so they manipulated the image on the cover.. Makes me sad.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: claw on November 28, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
I got that movie too, and The Great Gatsby, Lone Survivor, Jupiter Rising ( a guilty pleasure purchase - haven't seen it ), Everest ( love this movie ), all four Hunger Games ( like them a lot too ), Mad Max ( which I held off on, but I'm looking forward to comparing with the BR, and comparing watching the 4K disc on the JVC vs the BR on my Sony VW600 ), Oblivion ( like this film too ). And I need to sit down and watch " Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon " on 4k too. I'm pretty much caught up - there are no more 4K movies that I want to buy, that are currently available. Waiting on " Arrival " and a few others to be released, and come down in price. 2017 looks to be a bigger 4K movie year, hopefully !
I was surprised how good Jupiter Rising looked in HDR on my RS500 considering how dark it is for most of the movie.  Like the lights on the flying motor bike (spacecycle?) ridden by actress Doona Bae; my favorite Korean actress (Cloud Atlas and Netflix Sense8).
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: DavidHir on November 28, 2016, 12:24:53 PM
The wider color gamut seems to be the main improvement with UHD BD.  According to people who've had their RS500/600 calibrated stripping out HDR and using SDR 2020 seem to think it's an improvement over regular BD in most cases.

Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on November 28, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
The wider color gamut seems to be the main improvement with UHD BD.  According to people who've had their RS500/600 calibrated stripping out HDR and using SDR 2020 seem to think it's an improvement over regular BD in most cases.

this x100

people who think 4k is just about resolution are ignorant (color me just that PRIOR to even seeing 4k in my room)

4k UHD HDR is in 1 word...amazing when done right...and its done right most of the time
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on November 28, 2016, 01:06:58 PM
this x100

people who think 4k is just about resolution are ignorant (color me just that PRIOR to even seeing 4k in my room)

4k UHD HDR is in 1 word...amazing when done right...and its done right most of the time

Have to disagree here, most its done wrong, almost nobody have equipment that will live up to the full specs of HDR WCG, and its then remapped and manipulated to get reproduced, Dont know about any projector capable of producing the needet light output for the current HDR format. Most dont even have a clue how to calibrate this stuff.
We just recently seen projectors capable of tracking a decent Rec 709, and light output to do well with SDR while holding a decent contrast. Liking it is a matter of taste/ preference.. Objectively pretty much nobody is there yet.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on November 29, 2016, 05:17:54 AM
Have to disagree here, most its done wrong, almost nobody have equipment that will live up to the full specs of HDR WCG, and its then remapped and manipulated to get reproduced, Dont know about any projector capable of producing the needet light output for the current HDR format. Most dont even have a clue how to calibrate this stuff.
We just recently seen projectors capable of tracking a decent Rec 709, and light output to do well with SDR while holding a decent contrast. Liking it is a matter of taste/ preference.. Objectively pretty much nobody is there yet.

well I guess the hundreds who are wowd by it....all have the same matter of taste smh
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on November 29, 2016, 08:33:04 AM
I dont really see much movies on UHD that has the quality to justify re buy them on UHD. Most of them dont take full advantage of HD blu ray resolution, like  The Great Gatsby.. It would not really matter if the source is 720 1080 or UHD.

Mad Max, Pacifik Rim is other what ill call medium resolution movie.

A good way to tell is to shoot some screenshots, without using all kinds of enhancements, a SONY projector wont do, but a JVC should be ok for it. And you will notice that its kind of hard to find frames where its going to show sharp high res content.

Another point is that i think most people look at UHD for sharpness, as they write on some of the movies.. 4 times sharper, i would think it should be more refined, softer more natural details.. But guess that dont sounds as impressive, and there seems to be a general consensus that sharper is what everybody want, i just gets a bit tired of all the woooowww sharpness and enhanced effects, and would really enjoy some true high res material where the goal is reproduction, or generate a trusthworthy image that puts you right where the action is.

Take a look on this UHD promotion for the UHD disc of the Martian.. They were not able to find a frame in the movie to use, so they manipulated the image on the cover.. Makes me sad.

I kept my Oppo BDP 103 Blu Ray player, which has been handy to play the Blu Ray on and compare the 4K UHD BR that's in my Samsung 4K player. What I've found is that a " sharper picture " is not the main improvement ( some of these recent Blu Rays are plenty sharp ). A cleaner picture with much less picture noise, improved picture detail over the Blu ray, and a much more refined color palette is what I notice. Things just look more realistic ( not using HDR ). True, it's not perfect without having full blown 4K calibrating software, but it is a step up. I don't mind re - buying some movies, but mostly I will be buying new movies on 4K UHD BR going forward. Any improvement in the source material is welcome. You can buy better and better projectors until you turn blue in the face, but the source material will always be the limiting factor. That's why I got rid of all my DVD's ( except Team America, World Police, since the Blu Ray isn't the " unrated version " ).
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: ellisr63 on November 29, 2016, 09:21:04 AM
I got that movie too, and The Great Gatsby, Lone Survivor, Jupiter Rising ( a guilty pleasure purchase - haven't seen it ), Everest ( love this movie ), all four Hunger Games ( like them a lot too ), Mad Max ( which I held off on, but I'm looking forward to comparing with the BR, and comparing watching the 4K disc on the JVC vs the BR on my Sony VW600 ), Oblivion ( like this film too ). And I need to sit down and watch " Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon " on 4k too. I'm pretty much caught up - there are no more 4K movies that I want to buy, that are currently available. Waiting on " Arrival " and a few others to be released, and come down in price. 2017 looks to be a bigger 4K movie year, hopefully !
I am very interested in hearing how a BR compares to a 4K on a 4K projector.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on November 29, 2016, 09:49:12 AM
most of the time the BR will be inferior to teh 4k disc (actually I have yet to find the opposite true)

but a BR will 100% look better on a 4k PJ than a standard PJ (in my case the rs400 vs the ae8000)
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: ellisr63 on November 29, 2016, 09:52:30 AM
What I am curious about is how a BR looks up-scaled vs a 4K disc.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on November 29, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
What I am curious about is how a BR looks up-scaled vs a 4K disc.

I know...and its what Im telling you...its closer....but not nearly the same.so basically:

BR>upscaled BR>4k

Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on November 29, 2016, 06:27:56 PM
See for yourself this Sat. !!  But upscaling doesn't provide a WCG or more headroom on the disc, or less picture noise, or more actual picture information, so I generally don't bother. Pouring 2 Buck Chuck in a Chateau Petrus bottle doesn't make it taste any better either, unfortunately.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: ellisr63 on November 29, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
See for yourself this Sat. !!  But upscaling doesn't provide a WCG or more headroom on the disc, or less picture noise, or more actual picture information, so I generally don't bother. Pouring 2 Buck Chuck in a Chateau Petrus bottle doesn't make it taste any better either, unfortunately.

Sometimes the intoxication does make everything seem to meld better though. ;)
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on November 30, 2016, 02:47:30 AM
most of the time the BR will be inferior to teh 4k disc (actually I have yet to find the opposite true)

but a BR will 100% look better on a 4k PJ than a standard PJ (in my case the rs400 vs the ae8000)

That dont have much to do with the content on the disc, its related to display limitations/ tech. Thats the nature of fixed pixel displays, and you will find that changing as your screen gets smaler.. Thats why we are some still using good CRT projectors, to be free of the hard edge square artificial pixel structure, if Digital ever evolves to a laser drawing the image on screen, using the laser as the light source and scan device, im also sure you will find that your less depending on resolution, try defocus your 1080P projector slightly to hide the pixel grid, if it dont trow off convergence, and make optical flaring its a good way to make it look more natural, and skip the scaling and wobulation.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on November 30, 2016, 02:17:51 PM
I kept my Oppo BDP 103 Blu Ray player, which has been handy to play the Blu Ray on and compare the 4K UHD BR that's in my Samsung 4K player. What I've found is that a " sharper picture " is not the main improvement ( some of these recent Blu Rays are plenty sharp ). A cleaner picture with much less picture noise, improved picture detail over the Blu ray, and a much more refined color palette is what I notice. Things just look more realistic ( not using HDR ). True, it's not perfect without having full blown 4K calibrating software, but it is a step up. I don't mind re - buying some movies, but mostly I will be buying new movies on 4K UHD BR going forward. Any improvement in the source material is welcome. You can buy better and better projectors until you turn blue in the face, but the source material will always be the limiting factor. That's why I got rid of all my DVD's ( except Team America, World Police, since the Blu Ray isn't the " unrated version " ).

A interesting test would be to calibrate Blu ray, and UHD to have the same gamma performance, i think a lot of the wow comes from the much higher gamma mastered on UHD discs, wich im sure you noticed when comparing BD vs UHD discs, even when displaying the UHD as SDR Rec 709. That means that colors look more saturated on UHD, more colorfull, so if your to compensate for the different gamma in the mastering you will have to calibrate a much lower gamma for your UHD settings, or a much higher gamma for the BD.

I think its hard to point the differences you experience directly to WCG or HDR, with very differently masters..

There is no doubt that higher resolution and a bigger color gammut is a good thing, i just dont see any signs of people having controle over it, i dont see anything but subjective opinions, who tell that its wow, so im thinking.. Hmmm wonder what they would think about DB if they calibrate a 2,8 gamma curve, and crank up the light output, that sure makes it more colorfull and dynamic.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on November 30, 2016, 03:24:29 PM
A interesting test would be to calibrate Blu ray, and UHD to have the same gamma performance, i think a lot of the wow comes from the much higher gamma mastered on UHD discs, wich im sure you noticed when comparing BD vs UHD discs, even when displaying the UHD as SDR Rec 709. That means that colors look more saturated on UHD, more colorfull, so if your to compensate for the different gamma in the mastering you will have to calibrate a much lower gamma for your UHD settings, or a much higher gamma for the BD.

I think its hard to point the differences you experience directly to WCG or HDR, with very differently masters..

There is no doubt that higher resolution and a bigger color gammut is a good thing, i just dont see any signs of people having controle over it, i dont see anything but subjective opinions, who tell that its wow, so im thinking.. Hmmm wonder what they would think about DB if they calibrate a 2,8 gamma curve, and crank up the light output, that sure makes it more colorfull and dynamic.

We just need calibration software to catch up. But in the mean time, I feel like I might as well start acquiring 4K discs. Hopefully 2017 sees 4K UHD calibration solutions become wide spread. And yes, there isn't the same kind of standards and "control " we have with 1080p. It's like the early days of HD DVD and Blu Ray. But no one is going to die if things aren't perfect. It's just somewhat annoying. Anyway, only around 3.5 % or 4% of my source material is 4K at this point !
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on November 30, 2016, 03:53:35 PM
We just need calibration software to catch up. But in the mean time, I feel like I might as well start acquiring 4K discs. Hopefully 2017 sees 4K UHD calibration solutions become wide spread. And yes, there isn't the same kind of standards and "control " we have with 1080p. It's like the early days of HD DVD and Blu Ray. But no one is going to die if things aren't perfect. It's just somewhat annoying. Anyway, only around 3.5 % or 4% of my source material is 4K at this point !

I only have 3 UHD movies, and not sure ill want to buy more at this time.. Im hoping there will be another HDR standard that makes sense for big screens, and then im waiting to see how the OPPO 203 will handle, as the Panasonic UB900 is not realy what i had expected, at least i would not expect croma issues on BD playback.
My hope was to benefit from the higher bit resolution and even running CRT ill never be using the UHD resolution, it should make for a 1080P 4:4:4 resolution.
Im not really good at beeing patient about this stuff, but ill try see if i can sit on my hands and let the first generation of players and movies pass by before i trow more money into it, just as i would like to try out the Lumagen Radiance Pro, but think it will be a very expensive experience with a to short lifespan..
The main limitation as i see it is all the tone mapping that has to be done, as there is no procesing/ remapping without a tradeoff.. So i think they should adapt the format more to the displays we have than trying to do something no display can do. How cool would it be if they made a 1080P 4:4:4 12 bit Rec 709 movie on a UHD disc, to use the full potential of the best 1080P displays, so we finaly see some sense to the deap color thing they implemented when that was the thing to have without a source for it. No scaling, no croma upsampling, just as pure untouched data as possible.
They could even master it for a higher peak light output, like 100 nit, and a higher gamma like 2,6 or so for a medium dynamic range, guess it would be something like the cinema standard.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on November 30, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
Pacific rim is OUTSTANDING for PQ
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on December 01, 2016, 04:51:21 AM
Found this site for checking the resolution of the movies.. If its a real UHD resolution or just upscaled.
http://realorfake4k.com/my-product/pacific-rim/
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on December 01, 2016, 05:08:29 AM
Look whats on its way.. In real 4K..

http://realorfake4k.com/my-product/lawrence-of-arabia/

And it looks like its not mastrered in HDR, wich will be a nice one for the HT
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on December 02, 2016, 06:59:12 AM
watched Xmen:apolcolypse again

one of the best looking discs hands down...man its good
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSMike on December 02, 2016, 07:12:22 AM
watched Xmen:apolcolypse again

one of the best looking discs hands down...man its good

I have that disc. It and a few others are sitting unopened, waiting on the Oppo. I have seen the movie, but not in 4K with Atmos. Looking forward to it and several others.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on December 02, 2016, 07:23:47 AM
I have that disc. It and a few others are sitting unopened, waiting on the Oppo. I have seen the movie, but not in 4K with Atmos. Looking forward to it and several others.

ooh the atmos is also close to second to none!  you have great patience waiting :)
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on December 02, 2016, 03:37:36 PM
I tend to read actual reviews of these 4K BR's -

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php?action=search&search=reviews&videoresolutionid=2683&sortby=relevance&page=1


http://ultrahd.highdefdigest.com/reviews.html
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on December 04, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
Found this site for checking the resolution of the movies.. If its a real UHD resolution or just upscaled.
http://realorfake4k.com/my-product/pacific-rim/

Interesting that while that website states that the new Star Trek Beyond 4K disc is " fake 4K ", A / B'ing it yesterday with the Blu Ray disc clearly showed that the 4K version looked superior. Clearer, cleaner, better color, more detailed. All three of us saw the difference. It was enough for me to add quite a few 4K movies to my wish list at Amazon for when they go on sale. Pacific Rim looked crazy good on 4K !
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: ellisr63 on December 04, 2016, 08:54:50 AM
Interesting that while that website states that the new Star Trek Beyond 4K disc is " fake 4K ", A / B'ing it yesterday with the Blu Ray disc clearly showed that the 4K version looked superior. Clearer, cleaner, better color, more detailed. All three of us saw the difference. It was enough for me to add quite a few 4K movies to my wish list at Amazon for when they go on sale. Pacific Rim looked crazy good on 4K !

So very true...it looked considerably better!
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on December 04, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
thats why im not sure why people get up in arms if its an upconvert...who cares as long as the final image is outstanding smh
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: richlife69 on December 04, 2016, 10:53:35 AM
Interesting that while that website states that the new Star Trek Beyond 4K disc is " fake 4K ", A / B'ing it yesterday with the Blu Ray disc clearly showed that the 4K version looked superior. Clearer, cleaner, better color, more detailed. All three of us saw the difference. It was enough for me to add quite a few 4K movies to my wish list at Amazon for when they go on sale. Pacific Rim looked crazy good on 4K !

I appreciate you posting this, Craig -- and I'm sure lots of others do also.  I still haven't receive my 4K player and have only one disc at this point (Independence Day).  So with all the Fake, non-Fake, and other flack being posted on this and other forums and in reviews, it's good to see that ya'll find that it's really better. 

(An aside:  Why Independence Day?  I've posted it before -- I've watched it at least once a year on the 4th every year since it was released.  If there is any 4K movie that I can see an improvement with, that will be it.  And it supposedly passes the non-Fake test.  Now if I just had a player...
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on December 04, 2016, 02:29:19 PM
I appreciate you posting this, Craig -- and I'm sure lots of others do also.  I still haven't receive my 4K player and have only one disc at this point (Independence Day).  So with all the Fake, non-Fake, and other flack being posted on this and other forums and in reviews, it's good to see that ya'll find that it's really better. 

(An aside:  Why Independence Day?  I've posted it before -- I've watched it at least once a year on the 4th every year since it was released.  If there is any 4K movie that I can see an improvement with, that will be it.  And it supposedly passes the non-Fake test.  Now if I just had a player...

Keep your Blu Ray player, and you can A / B it yourself with the included Blu Ray that comes with the 4K BR. You just need a 4K splitter ( the HD Fury Integral makes for a great splitter ) and a 4K Blu Ray player !
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on December 04, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
I think the future of UHD will show its as always about the mastering.. There will be piss poor masterings, and they will most likely master BD even worse, just to give UHD something extra.. Many new movies no matter how they are shot dont even use the full resolution capability of BD.. It dont help having a 70mm film camera or 10mp digital camera if the lenses or other parameters in the process dont keep up.. The specs as usually dont mean much if its not used right.

A examnple i have here is San andreas.. displayed on a old Pioneer 1080P plasma..Playing the UHD disc, gives much better low level details, contrasty, and highlights.. its converted to SDR rec 709, so there is no reason it should be any better than the BD, but the BD is so poor mastered that its a crime, totaly washed out low level scenes or details, and i doubt there is many scenes in the movie that needs more than a 720P display to resolve the content..
Will be exiting to see if the studios in general will try to lift the UHD by lowering the BD standard, or they will try use the full potential of UHD to make it shine.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on December 05, 2016, 04:29:39 AM
I highly disagree they will master the Bd purposely worse so the uhd looks better. That's quite the conspiracy theory. Are you aways so synical?
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on December 05, 2016, 04:58:24 AM
I highly disagree they will master the Bd purposely worse so the uhd looks better. That's quite the conspiracy theory. Are you aways so synical?

There is quite  few examples out already.. I cant say if its on purpose or not.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on December 05, 2016, 05:00:23 AM
There is quite  few examples out already.. I cant say if its on purpose or not.

SAn andreas BD (the one you refernced) is not that way with region A discs...not sure if they vary in different parts of the world...I think the transfer is outstanding...as does numerous review sites
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on December 05, 2016, 05:01:37 AM
There is quite  few examples out already.. I cant say if its on purpose or not.

you actually already did...you said its "most likely" done on purpose
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on December 05, 2016, 06:18:47 AM
you actually already did...you said its "most likely" done on purpose

Most likely.. If not i guess they just dont have the skills to do better, wich i dont hope is the case.

Everybody needs motivation to invest in new hardware, if they do thair best with BD its hard to convince people why they need UHD... Deaper blacks.. wonder what that has to do with the UHD format, but its stil advertised as a UHD feature.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on December 05, 2016, 07:55:35 AM
I think the future of UHD will show its as always about the mastering.. There will be piss poor masterings, and they will most likely master BD even worse, just to give UHD something extra.. Many new movies no matter how they are shot dont even use the full resolution capability of BD.. It dont help having a 70mm film camera or 10mp digital camera if the lenses or other parameters in the process dont keep up.. The specs as usually dont mean much if its not used right.

A examnple i have here is San andreas.. displayed on a old Pioneer 1080P plasma..Playing the UHD disc, gives much better low level details, contrasty, and highlights.. its converted to SDR rec 709, so there is no reason it should be any better than the BD, but the BD is so poor mastered that its a crime, totaly washed out low level scenes or details, and i doubt there is many scenes in the movie that needs more than a 720P display to resolve the content..
Will be exiting to see if the studios in general will try to lift the UHD by lowering the BD standard, or they will try use the full potential of UHD to make it shine.

You need to make these comparisons on a 4K capable display of some sort. Not an " old Pioneer 1080P plasma ". Try a new Sony VW675 or JVC RS500 / 600 instead.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: bmoney on December 05, 2016, 08:05:06 AM
You need to make these comparisons on a 4K capable display of some sort. Not an " old Pioneer 1080P plasma ". Try a new Sony VW675 or JVC RS500 / 600 instead.

there is also somthing else amiss....he writes about San Andreas "but the BD is so poor mastered that its a crime" this is so far from the general consensus (multiple professional reviewers) and my experience...
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on December 05, 2016, 08:36:25 AM
I highly disagree they will master the Bd purposely worse so the uhd looks better. That's quite the conspiracy theory. Are you aways so synical?

I also disagree - the latest crop of Blu Rays look outstanding. The new Star Wars is one example, The Martian is another. I haven't watched Lone Survivor in 4K yet, but the Blu Ray looks excellent. Same with Everest - haven't watched the 4K version yet, but I've watched the Blu Ray 3 times. Excellent transfer.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on December 05, 2016, 05:05:54 PM
I think ill try see if i can snap some screenshots that show some of the issues im mentioning, so the debate can be a bit more objective.. Looking fine, or bad is very subjective, so i should have posted some evidence to support my statement, so that others could follow up on by proving me wrong, removing the subjective part of the debate.
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on December 05, 2016, 07:00:02 PM
I think ill try see if i can snap some screenshots that show some of the issues im mentioning, so the debate can be a bit more objective.. Looking fine, or bad is very subjective, so i should have posted some evidence to support my statement, so that others could follow up on by proving me wrong, removing the subjective part of the debate.

I also go by multiple review websites, so I can see if there is a consensus. Screen shots are notoriously unreliable. What display exactly are you watching Blu Rays on ? 
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: stridsvognen on December 06, 2016, 03:56:06 AM
I also go by multiple review websites, so I can see if there is a consensus. Screen shots are notoriously unreliable. What display exactly are you watching Blu Rays on ?

In this case im refering to low level information, wich is a mastering thing, as non of the formats will have any issues with that, and ill think i can capture that on screenshots, i know the gamma performance of the display for both HD and UHD, it tracs pretty nice to around 70%IRE for SMPTE 2084 wich is more than i need to evaluate the low end scale.

You guys are welcome to show gamma performance on your displays both HD gamma and UHD gamma curve, and try see if you can find more low end information than i can on specifik discs, and that way keep this objektive.

Pioneer 5090

Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: richlife69 on December 06, 2016, 01:41:10 PM
Keep your Blu Ray player, and you can A / B it yourself with the included Blu Ray that comes with the 4K BR. You just need a 4K splitter ( the HD Fury Integral makes for a great splitter ) and a 4K Blu Ray player !

I was already planning to keep my older Panasonic connected also.  With the issues reported between my Vizio and the Samsung, I'll have to look into a custom setup for the TV that I will want to limit to the gaming input while keeping the Panny on another.  That setup would screw up the video on a standard BR disc.

Don't know how long it will be to get this stuff done, but the new 4K BR comes in tomorrow...
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: Sir Dagonet on February 11, 2017, 09:49:00 AM
Pouring 2 Buck Chuck in a Chateau Petrus bottle doesn't make it taste any better

I'm not a wine drinker but that's hilarious... (and, a good analogy to boot)
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on February 23, 2017, 11:09:43 AM
So I put Kingsman : The Secret Service on 4K BR on my RS4500 last night, and the picture was just astounding !  :)
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: claw on February 24, 2017, 10:02:21 AM
So I put Kingsman : The Secret Service on 4K BR on my RS4500 last night, and the picture was so astounding, Chris Deutsch of JVC even said " look how sharp that is ", and walked right up to my screen in amazement !  :)
I have seen mention that Kingsman was mastered from an original 2.8K source.  It is incredibly sharp.    I don't see why more people don't mention this disc as being one of the go to for demos.

BTW: I was astonished the first time I saw the credits roll at the end of Star Trek Beyond to see that Sofia Boutella played the role of Jaylah.   I did not recognize her (due to the makeup and accent) as being the same actress that played Gazelle in Kingsman.   I had to watch both films again and only then realized how similar her combat moves were in both.    I guess she may have learned those moves while being a backup dancer for Madonna. 
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: AVSCraig on February 24, 2017, 11:40:38 AM
I have seen mention that Kingsman was mastered from an original 2.8K source.  It is incredibly sharp.    I don't see why more people don't mention this disc as being one of the go to for demos.

BTW: I was astonished the first time I saw the credits roll at the end of Star Trek Beyond to see that Sofia Boutella played the role of Jaylah.   I did not recognize her (due to the makeup and accent) as being the same actress that played Gazelle in Kingsman.   I had to watch both films again and only then realized how similar her combat moves were in both.    I guess she may have learned those moves while being a backup dancer for Madonna.

Ha - I had no clue that was the same actress ! She's getting some fun juicy roles, that's for sure !
Title: Re: best 4k picture discs
Post by: claw on February 24, 2017, 12:39:51 PM
Ha - I had no clue that was the same actress ! She's getting some fun juicy roles, that's for sure !
I wasn't expecting much from the upcoming remake of The Mummy with Tom Cruise.  But with Sofia Boutella taking on the title role, I am looking forward to viewing it.