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Video Source Devices => 4K UltraHD Blu-ray => Topic started by: bmoney on January 18, 2018, 05:40:50 AM

Title: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: bmoney on January 18, 2018, 05:40:50 AM
here are my top 10 for picture quality for 4k UHD blurays...whats yours?

1. Blade Runner 2049
2. The Revenant
3. Dunkirk
4. Dark Knight Rises
5. Pacific Rim
6. The Martian
7. guardians of the galaxy 2
8. Lucy
9. The Fate of the Furious
10. Transformers Last Knight

honorable mention -  Interstellar, Peanuts movie, Trolls, The great wall, Wonder Woman
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: Tom Bley on January 18, 2018, 08:01:28 AM
No particular order and not rating the actual movie itself, just eye candy.

Sully
Life
X-Men Apocalypse
Passengers
Allied
Lucy
The Revenant
The Shallows
Get Out
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: bmoney on January 18, 2018, 08:06:01 AM
No particular order and not rating the actual movie itself, just eye candy.

Sully
Life
X-Men Apocalypse
Passengers
Allied
Lucy
The Revenant

all great PQ no doubt!
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on January 18, 2018, 09:01:45 AM
I haven't seen the new Blade Runner yet, so i can't comment.  In fact i have 12 4k UHD movies here I haven't watched yet.

Logan Lucky
Sully
Life
Passengers
Allied
Lucy
The Revenant
The Martian
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
The Fate of the Furious

Those all look excellent, so it's hard to boil down to ten, because there is also -

Baby Driver
Hacksaw Ridge
Valerian
Kingsman:The Golden Circle
Logan
Get Out
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSMike on January 18, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Some really good movies listed here. I have not seen Logan Lucky, Get Out, Valerian and Blade Runner. Of those four, I have Blade Runner. Just have not had time to watch it yet.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: DLCPhoto on January 18, 2018, 03:16:00 PM
I'd add The Great Wall to the list of great eye candy.  The movie itself wasn't great, but the picture popped!
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on January 18, 2018, 09:50:43 PM
I'd add The Great Wall to the list of great eye candy.  The movie itself wasn't great, but the picture popped!

If I see any part of that film again,  I might remove it from the player and smash it to bits.  :-X
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: Baseball0618 on January 19, 2018, 04:29:15 AM
1.  Revnant
2.  Sully
3. Logan
4. Spiderman Homecoming
5.  Pirates of the Carribean
6.  GOG2
7.  Logan Lucky
8.  Lucky Driver
9.  The Martian
10.  Deepwater Horizon

haven't seen Blade Runner yet
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: bmoney on January 19, 2018, 05:20:46 AM
there hasnt been a post yet where I read a movie and am like REALLY? uggg...there are a LOT of outstanding picture 4k's out good to know!
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: Tom Bley on January 19, 2018, 06:37:19 AM
I added 'The Shallows' to my list.  This is pure eye candy again, not the greatest movie but not bad either, the PQ is awesome.  I recommend it for your collection if you can get it at a lower price point.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: stridsvognen on August 24, 2018, 08:49:47 AM
I stopped buying UHD movies, after a lot of testing i came to the conclution that i prefer the normal blu ray masterings. Much more comfortable watching, and more realistic.
The UHD titles seems to wow to me, artificial overly enhanced wich makes it very hard to watch, specially the HDR anoys me, and converting to SDR is a mess.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: Tom Bley on August 24, 2018, 09:05:34 AM
I stopped buying UHD movies, after a lot of testing i came to the conclution that i prefer the normal blu ray masterings. Much more comfortable watching, and more realistic.
The UHD titles seems to wow to me, artificial overly enhanced wich makes it very hard to watch, specially the HDR anoys me, and converting to SDR is a mess.

Where is the 'Dislike' button?   :o :P :)

I disagree.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on August 24, 2018, 09:08:52 AM
1.  Revnant
2.  Sully
3. Logan
4. Spiderman Homecoming
5.  Pirates of the Carribean
6.  GOG2
7.  Logan Lucky
8.  Lucky Driver
9.  The Martian
10.  Deepwater Horizon

haven't seen Blade Runner yet

Add these to the list -
3 Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri
Hostiles
Black Panther
Darkest Hour
Ready Player One
A Quiet Place
Fury ( an improvement over the Blu-ray for sure )
The Greatest Showman

They all look outstanding !
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on August 24, 2018, 09:10:48 AM
I stopped buying UHD movies, after a lot of testing i came to the conclution that i prefer the normal blu ray masterings. Much more comfortable watching, and more realistic.
The UHD titles seems to wow to me, artificial overly enhanced wich makes it very hard to watch, specially the HDR anoys me, and converting to SDR is a mess.

What 4K projector are you watching them on ? I disagree. But you need the right setup, and lots of lumens.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: stridsvognen on August 24, 2018, 12:57:31 PM
What 4K projector are you watching them on ? I disagree. But you need the right setup, and lots of lumens.

I never found a 4K projector i liked, so im testing on the LG oled C7, plenty bright, and thats exactely the problem, my eyes can simply not adapt to that light in a dark room.

For daylight inviroment no problem, but for a nice cinematic experience im drawn out of the movie by the eye strain, with the over contrasty artificial look, and i spend a lot of time calibrating and testing different settings, its just so much simpler and more enjoyable to pop in the HD Blu Ray disc, and play it on a fully compatable display who will need no convertion or other funky tweaking to a format no display is capable of displaying acording to the standard nobody really know how will be next week.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on August 24, 2018, 02:12:44 PM
I never found a 4K projector i liked, so im testing on the LG oled C7, plenty bright, and thats exactely the problem, my eyes can simply not adapt to that light in a dark room.

For daylight inviroment no problem, but for a nice cinematic experience im drawn out of the movie by the eye strain, with the over contrasty artificial look, and i spend a lot of time calibrating and testing different settings, its just so much simpler and more enjoyable to pop in the HD Blu Ray disc, and play it on a fully compatable display who will need no convertion or other funky tweaking to a format no display is capable of displaying acording to the standard nobody really know how will be next week.

That might be your problem. I find 4K HDR to look " overcooked " to my eyes on flat panels. It looks more realistic than Blu-ray on my projector and 128" StudioTek 130 screen. Movies like Fury, 3 Billboards and Logan Lucky look closer to real life. Actually, so do " Life " and " Alien:Covenant " - which make them more disturbing.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSMike on August 24, 2018, 02:21:17 PM
I'd add The Great Wall to the list of great eye candy.  The movie itself wasn't great, but the picture popped!

You are right. JVC uses it for demos. When JVC stopped in to visit, we watched some clips from Great Wall, since Chris with JVC was very familiar with it on other JVC projectors. Chris said he has never seen the whole movie, but had seen certain clips from the movie, no telling how many times. :)
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: stridsvognen on August 24, 2018, 02:44:46 PM
That might be your problem. I find 4K HDR to look " overcooked " to my eyes on flat panels. It looks more realistic than Blu-ray on my projector and 128" StudioTek 130 screen. Movies like Fury, 3 Billboards and Logan Lucky look closer to real life. Actually, so do " Life " and " Alien:Covenant " - which make them more disturbing.

The best experience i had with UHD titles been on my old Pioneer plasma at full pop at 200 nit/60fl feeding it a UHD title converted to 1080P SDR. But there is simply to much variations to UHD masterings to make it a consistent experience, and it takes quite a bit of tinkering and processing to adapt a HDR mastering to a non HDR capable display souch as a projector. ( they might accept HDR, but none of them can trow 1000 nit on a decent size screen, or even 500nit for that matter.)

I wonder what the maximum on off contrast / lightoutput you can cope without blinking your eyes when going from a dark scene to full pop, or the other way around from bright to dark, without loosing information while your eyes adapt.? Whats a comfortable max lightoutput in a perfect dark HT.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on August 24, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
The best experience i had with UHD titles been on my old Pioneer plasma at full pop at 200 nit/60fl feeding it a UHD title converted to 1080P SDR. But there is simply to much variations to UHD masterings to make it a consistent experience, and it takes quite a bit of tinkering and processing to adapt a HDR mastering to a non HDR capable display souch as a projector. ( they might accept HDR, but none of them can trow 1000 nit on a decent size screen, or even 500nit for that matter.)

I wonder what the maximum on off contrast / lightoutput you can cope without blinking your eyes when going from a dark scene to full pop, or the other way around from bright to dark, without loosing information while your eyes adapt.? Whats a comfortable max lightoutput in a perfect dark HT.

I'm currently watching at 47 foot lamberts, and my laser projector can go from 47 foot lamberts to more or less a full blackout, and back to 47 foot lamberts. It's not a problem for my eyes. Neither is a very loud sound track !
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on August 24, 2018, 02:51:36 PM
You are right. JVC uses it for demos. When JVC stopped in to visit, we watched some clips from Great Wall, since Chris with JVC was very familiar with it on other JVC projectors. Chris said he has never seen the whole movie, but had seen certain clips from the movie, no telling how many times. :)

I learned to hate that movie last year at Cedia. That one clip was enough.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: stridsvognen on August 24, 2018, 03:03:47 PM
I'm currently watching at 47 foot lamberts, and my laser projector can go from 47 foot lamberts to more or less a full blackout, and back to 47 foot lamberts. It's not a problem for my eyes. Neither is a very loud sound track !

so your compressing HDR from 1000/4000nit to 161nit, thats what ill concider quite heavy compression, im wondering how would a SDR mastering manipulated the other way look like.

To be honest ill guess thats also just in that range i set my OLED, around 50-60fl for HDR10, and with DV the confusion gets even worse.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: AVSCraig on August 24, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
so your compressing HDR from 1000/4000nit to 161nit, thats what ill concider quite heavy compression, im wondering how would a SDR mastering manipulated the other way look like.

To be honest ill guess thats also just in that range i set my OLED, around 50-60fl for HDR10, and with DV the confusion gets even worse.

Say what you want, it looks fabulous. That's all I care about. I have 112 4K movies and 468 Blu-rays. Done right, HDR looks excellent. At least on my RS4500.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: stridsvognen on August 24, 2018, 04:31:10 PM
Say what you want, it looks fabulous. That's all I care about. I have 112 4K movies and 468 Blu-rays. Done right, HDR looks excellent. At least on my RS4500.

Ill say its all about preferences, as there is no douing HDR tecnically right as it looks these days.
And fortunatly we can pretty much buy whatever we like as there is something to satisfy every taste out there.
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: bmoney on August 25, 2018, 07:42:29 AM
lets just say you are in the MINORTY and by a LONG shot
Title: Re: Top 10 4k UHD movies - picture list
Post by: stridsvognen on August 25, 2018, 02:16:23 PM
lets just say you are in the MINORTY and by a LONG shot

Im sure your right, thats why the industri is moving the way it is, money rules.. how many consumers have a chance to look UHD the way its intendet to look from the studios.?
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