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Title: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ellisr63 on November 14, 2016, 05:18:15 PM
I am sure a lot of us have went through a lot of speakers over the years on our journey to our perfect setup...what speakers have you owned on your journey?

I started out with some DIY speakers I made out of particle board in High School. Once I got into the USAF I started with a pair of BIC Venturi Formula 4s, then I moved to a pair of Altec Lansing model 9s, followed by a pair of Cerwin Vega HED speakers.

When I went to England I pickedup a pair of Cerwin Vega S1, and then sold them right before returning to the USA, and picked up a pair of Klipsch La Scalas.

When I got out of the AF I didn't have the space and downgraded to a pair of Boston Acoustics 60 which I had for several years as my primary speakers. When I got into watching movies I moved on to 5 Celestion SL3 speakers. Then one day I heard the Martin Logan Sequel 2, and had to own them...I purchased the demo models for my birthday that year, and I had the Sequels for several years before I decided to part with them. Next I picked up a 5 channel setup of Paradigm Studio 100s, with matching center and surrounds...as luck would have it the Studio 100s were destroyed by UPS, and the shipper refunded the money on them, and took UPS to court. I then came across a pair of BNIB (old stock)Paradigm Studio 80s that I used for several years until I came across my old favorites again...the Klipsch La Scalas. This was a short time ownership as with in months I had purchased a set of 3 JBL 2360A horns with EV DH1A drivers, and made a set of 3 Q Pie bass bins, and that is where I am today. Next on my journey is going to be a set of DIY Danley Synergy 2 way horns.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: AVSMike on November 22, 2016, 06:54:14 AM
I can't remember everything I have had, but here is most of it. First speakers were a 2-way kit, using a 6" driver and a small horn loaded tweeter. I built the enclosure. I also had some radio Shack 2-way speakers. Next for a short while I had some 3-way speakers from Kenwood. Then moved onto a pair of Yamaha NS690 II's. The Yamaha's were actually pretty nice speakers, sound wise. Refoamed them a few years ago and just recently sold them, after determining my kids were never going to be interested in them. I had them in storage for years. Had several pairs of RBH speakers: SI-760's, 661SE and WM30's. Also owned Klipsch RB35's. Then built a set of speakers. A 2-way using the TD12M mid and DNA-360 with 12" SEOS wave guide. Had those paired with JBL Pro 8340 (not plastic box 8340a) surrounds. From there I moved to a baffle wall system for my front three speakers, using a 3-way active DIY design. These speakers use two TD12M, One Beyma TPL-150H and a TD18H+ with a MiniDSP10x10HD for crossover duty. Still using the JBL Pro 8340 for surround and Atmos. I have also built and owned many subs along the way. Currently using two 18" SI18's baffle wall mounted in 4CF sealed boxes. Also have an 18" Mal-X in 4CF sealed box and an 18" RE-XXX in 8CF sealed box. Info on my current system is here: http://discuss.avscience.com/?topic=124.msg902#msg902 (http://discuss.avscience.com/?topic=124.msg902#msg902)
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ellisr63 on November 22, 2016, 09:56:40 AM
I think a lot of people would be surprised as to how good of a set of speakers they can actually afford...when they go DIY...just takes your time, but the rewards of knowing you made it are worth it!
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ronman79 on November 22, 2016, 12:53:56 PM
HTIB Kenwoods!!!  Moved on to some lower level Polks, but can't even remember actual series.  Similar to Monitor70, I believe.  Then some RTi6 bookshelves, before finally to the RTiA9 towers, CSiA6, and FXi bipole surrounds that I now have.  I'm in the planning stages of my first dedicated home theater, and will be upgrading to Atmos.  I've picked up Polk's 65RT in-walls for the height channels in the ceiling slope near the top, as well as probably swapping out the large FXi surrounds because of limited side space.  I'll probably relocate those to rear surrounds (or use the RTi6s).  I've been a loyal Polk guy for years now, and I've really enjoyed my system.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ShadeRF on November 22, 2016, 01:40:02 PM
I had some old Sony's and then my current Paradigm Monitor setup... so not a lot for me. The Sony's lasted me nearly a decade (I still have them actually). I'd really love to upgrade to the Paradigm Studios or Prestige series though.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: AVSMike on November 23, 2016, 09:15:37 AM
HTIB Kenwoods!!!  Moved on to some lower level Polks, but can't even remember actual series.  Similar to Monitor70, I believe.  Then some RTi6 bookshelves, before finally to the RTiA9 towers, CSiA6, and FXi bipole surrounds that I now have.  I'm in the planning stages of my first dedicated home theater, and will be upgrading to Atmos.  I've picked up Polk's 65RT in-walls for the height channels in the ceiling slope near the top, as well as probably swapping out the large FXi surrounds because of limited side space.  I'll probably relocate those to rear surrounds (or use the RTi6s).  I've been a loyal Polk guy for years now, and I've really enjoyed my system.

That reminds me, I did have some Polk speakers back in the 80's. Also had a NHT powered sub. I think the NHT powered sub was the first powered sub available. I still actually use the sub, though I replaced the driver and amp with more powerful units. :)
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: bmoney on November 23, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
Started off with a bang...

Klipsch RF-3ii (had these for about 12 years)
PSB B6
PSB imagine B
PSA MT110's
DIY elusive 1099's (current speakers...and dont see ever getting rid of them)
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: stridsvognen on November 23, 2016, 01:41:50 PM
Well as im from Denmark it might make sense that i had a few Dali speakers, im arguing with myself if i should go pick up a set of Dali Megaline in Germany.. Pretty mych the only Dali speaker i miss to try out.

I started with a pair of Dali 850,
Dali Grand
Grand cupe
Grand Diva
Evidence 470
Helicon 400
Helicon 800
Euphonis MS4
Euphonia MS5
Skyline 2000
Concept 8
Epicon 6
Epicon 8
Rubicon 2

Remember a few different B&W 2 way speakers, just not what models.. Then comes all the rear center and subs.

All i found was that i like the old Dali Grand Diva, and Grand Cupe the best, wich puts me right up for the Megaline who came out right before the grand series, only problem is the Megaline speakers takes 2 stereo amps, have 1 of the amps build for the Megaline, but will need a 2nd one. The Dali Gravity amp.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: claw on November 23, 2016, 03:11:11 PM
First speakers in college were a pair of Harman Kardon book shelves.

When i got a job in the mid-seventies, replaced them with Infinity towers; don't recall the model but they were their first with the Walsh ice cream cone shaped tweeters.

After traveling the US for work for about 10 years I replaced the Infinity with Kef towers. Can't recall the model either but loved the sound.  They were stolen from my home during a ten year period when I was traveling internationally for work.

Replaced them in 2003 with B&W CDM 1NT left/right,  CDM CNT center, 4 DS6 surrounds and a Velodyne 12 inch sub.   Still using them today.   Except I just replaced the DS6 dipoles that were hung high on the side walls with 4 685 bookshelves at ear level.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: sdrucker on December 08, 2016, 04:21:32 PM
Let's see:
JBLs I picked up at a local brick and mortar store; can't say I remember the model
1997: Klipsch RF-7, RC-7, and RB-7 in a 5.1 system
2010: DefTech Mythos ST, CS-8080 center, and Gem XLs (also 5.1)
2011: swapped out my cheap Klipsch 8" sub and went ID with a pair of HSU ULS-15s
2015: PSB Imagine T2, Imagine C, and Imagine S ("dual mono" mode), with Imagine X2T added as sides when I got the Trinnov Altitude

Then we moved from a condo with a multi-purpose living room into a place where I can do a dedicated HT room. So...
2016: added a pair of Imagine T for wides and another for side surrounds, as well as Imagine XAs for Dolby modules, for a 9.2.4 system

My next step is probably going to be adding another couple of ULS-15s or swapping them out for four "1/2 Submersive" Seaton modules, depending where I want to put the money vs. video.

2017: getting a pair of Imagine Bs if I want to have a second set of side surrounds in Trinnovland, possibly replacing the Imagine XAs with Imagine XBs for front/rear heights with some add'l room construction or if I can swing the physical side, one of the PSB in-ceiling type speakers.

I suppose the only other direction I might go would be active speakers (Paradigms), but in a 20x15 room and budget-wise there's only so far I can go at this point. Maybe swapping out the PSB mains if there's some major advance I just have to have. The T3s aren't worth the $$$$ in my room's configuration, to be honest.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ellisr63 on December 08, 2016, 04:40:09 PM
I can only dream of owning a Trinnov Altitude... I bet that sounds awesome!
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: bmoney on December 09, 2016, 07:39:28 AM
I know I have said this before...but I REALLY cant see me ever moving on from the DIY 1099's they just put a smile on my face nightly...and I have had them for about 7 months now...

the ONLY way i would move on is if i got the itch to build more speakers...but i doubt that would happen on a whim anyhow...just not worth it when I have such a great sounding system
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ellisr63 on December 09, 2016, 07:57:25 AM
I know I have said this before...but I REALLY cant see me ever moving on from the DIY 1099's they just put a smile on my face nightly...and I have had them for about 7 months now...

the ONLY way i would move on is if i got the itch to build more speakers...but i doubt that would happen on a whim anyhow...just not worth it when I have such a great sounding system
Hopefully my Synergy horns will sound as good as i think they will...if so they should be my last speakers too.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: jkasanic on December 09, 2016, 08:29:36 AM
I know I have said this before...but I REALLY cant see me ever moving on from the DIY 1099's they just put a smile on my face nightly...and I have had them for about 7 months now...

the ONLY way i would move on is if i got the itch to build more speakers...but i doubt that would happen on a whim anyhow...just not worth it when I have such a great sounding system

Have you posted REW measurements of your current setup?
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: bmoney on December 09, 2016, 10:24:32 AM
this is the right speaker + subs only...this was to show the dropoff from the vlevet masking panels:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/bcfineberg/6FC4D094-1C20-43EB-8314-5551E9267FE6_zpswmyqoudp.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/bcfineberg/media/6FC4D094-1C20-43EB-8314-5551E9267FE6_zpswmyqoudp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ellisr63 on December 09, 2016, 10:27:22 AM
this is the right speaker + subs only...this was to show the dropoff from the vlevet masking panels:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/bcfineberg/6FC4D094-1C20-43EB-8314-5551E9267FE6_zpswmyqoudp.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/bcfineberg/media/6FC4D094-1C20-43EB-8314-5551E9267FE6_zpswmyqoudp.jpg.html)
Did you have the mic at the MLP or just in front of the speaker?
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: jkasanic on December 09, 2016, 10:34:44 AM
this is the right speaker + subs only...this was to show the dropoff from the vlevet masking panels:
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/bcfineberg/6FC4D094-1C20-43EB-8314-5551E9267FE6_zpswmyqoudp.jpg) (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/bcfineberg/media/6FC4D094-1C20-43EB-8314-5551E9267FE6_zpswmyqoudp.jpg.html)

Is that with or without Audyssey?
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: bmoney on December 09, 2016, 10:34:56 AM
Did you have the mic at the MLP or just in front of the speaker?

MLP
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: bmoney on December 09, 2016, 10:35:31 AM


with
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ellisr63 on December 09, 2016, 01:47:49 PM
MLP
Same as i do.. I was wondering because a lot of DIYers do it at the speaker, but to me it only matters from the MLP as that is where I am listening. :)
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: jkasanic on December 09, 2016, 03:38:33 PM

with

Are you running about 5-7 dB hot on subs then?  Did you ever take measurements with DL that would be comparable to this?
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: bmoney on December 17, 2016, 06:59:55 AM
Are you running about 5-7 dB hot on subs then?  Did you ever take measurements with DL that would be comparable to this?

yes...I like a hot sub house curve...yes I used DL and did the ski slope correction it was almost identical
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: bmoney on December 17, 2016, 07:00:59 AM
Same as i do.. I was wondering because a lot of DIYers do it at the speaker, but to me it only matters from the MLP as that is where I am listening. :)

you only run it at the speaker to see the true response of the speaker...close mic'd takes as much of the room out of the FR as possible (without taking the speaker outside)
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: DavidHir on December 17, 2016, 08:38:13 AM
Tough to remember, but here goes...

I got into home theater in 1999 when I bought a low end KLH 5.1 surround sattelites sound box from Best Buy.  I also bought my first DVD player from Montgomery Ward (Sony 300 something) to use with my 27"  RCA CRT 480i. On any rate, it was my first surround set-up.  I replaced it relatively quickly with something by Yamaha which was a big improvement - another 5.1 satelites in the box.  I later bought Yamaha towers (model name escapes me).  I also bought a 10" Velodyne sub.

In 2005, I to moved Infinity Betas - BIG upgrade from what I had.  They were towers with 8 inch woofers, C360 center channel and bookshelfs and I bought an SVS 20-30 PC+ sub. 

I used those up until 2014 when I went front projection.  Because my wall is only 10 feet wide, I wanted to keep my screen 9 feet wide which meant I had to move to bookshelf speakers for my fronts.  I started with Def Tech PM1000s for fronts, PM800s for rears and Hsu 15" VTH sub.  After a year, I upgraded to the SM55s for my fronts moving the PM1000s to the rears.

Just a couple of months ago, I upgraded again.  I bought the Martin Logan XT35s for my fronts, Motion 4s for rears, and dual Rhythmic L12s.  Looking to get everything calibrated with my receiver in a few weeks via Audyssey Pro, REW measuring, etc. by Chad B.  My subs will be underneath the screen as I prefer the bass from upfront where as I had the the Hsu in the back corner of the room because that is the only place it would fit (it was too big to put up front), but despite multiple calibrations and changes, the bass localization in the corner was just too strong for my taste and created door rattling back there.

 
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: Paul Heroy on November 08, 2017, 01:13:49 PM
I haven't had as many speakers as some audiophiles but a few nice ones, though no DIY. Interesting to go through the memories and list them. The first 2 are pretty hazy but after that I started actually keeping track of purchases.

1978? Sansui speakers, no idea of model and I doubt anyone cares. I was 14 "ish" and mainly cared that they had some bass impact, much to my mom's chagrin! They were kind of squat but had 10" woofers for some decent kick.

1983? 3D Acoustics, sat/sub, I think 3D610B? It got rave reviews in the early 80s as one of the first satellite/subwoofer designs to get that configuration "right". This was my first entry into a really quality speaker and it opened my eyes to imaging and soundstaging that

1990 - Mirage M3. This was my first really higher end speaker purchase. I had become a fairly regular visitor to the one really high end store in my town and became enamored of some Acoustat electrostats which blew my mind. Then I heard the Apogee ribbons (in New Orleans, playing a 48KHz DAT recording of a jazz quartet made the previous evening) and was similarly moved. But I didn't have the budget for them and also wanted something that would dig a little lower in the bass. Enter Mirage with their early bipole designs with the M1 and then the M3. The M3 was an amazing speaker at the time, with a lot of the dimensionality and soundstaging of the dipole electrostat/ribbon designs but the dynamics and bass of a dynamic speaker. This began my love affair with Mirage that lasted across 3 decades...

2000 - Mirage OM6. Bought these as part of setting up my first true home theater with a projection screen. While not quite as good as the M3s they had the significant advantage of having a much smaller width and fitting on the sides of the screen where the M3 just couldn't. The M3s got moved to another room and sadly sold in 2003.

2008 - VMPS RM30. VMPS was a brand I read about for years in ads and saw a small number of reviews where it seemed to always be mentioned as being one of the best values in audio. Brian Cheney the designer was an early practitioner of the direct to consumer business model before the advent of internet direct sales. (Obviously by 2008 VMPS had a website too.) The RM30 was part of the "ribbon monitor" line with the midrange and up handled exclusively by planar-ribbon and ribbon drivers, with side mounted dynamic woofers. These basically replaced the Mirage M3 as my 2nd, 2 channel setup. Unfortunately when I got married a couple of years later they got kicked out.

2012 - Mirage OMD-28. The OMD line was Mirage's last hoorah for a "real" speaker, after becoming more a "lifestyle" maker of mostly satellite and extremely slim low profile speakers. The OMD-28s feature the "omnipolar" evolution of the bipolar design that Mirage failed to trademark. Using a sort of pod like deflector arrangement the midrange and tweeter are dispersed in a 360 degree pattern, somewhat like the Ohm Walsh drivers (but of course a different technique). These are my current HT speakers, with and OMD-C2 center. For an Atmos upgrade a couple of years ago I replaced the matching OMD-R surrounds with in-wall and in-ceiling Revel models. I may replace the OMD-28s with Revel front channels in the next couple of years, which would be the end of a nearly 30 year run with Mirage speakers for me.

2014 - Martin Logan Summit X. After the VMPS RM30s got kicked out I really missed having a high quality 2 channel setup, but with a new house in 2013 gained a space to restore that. My budget finally had caught up to my old cravings for a dipole speaker and I found a great deal on a demo pair of the ML Summit Xs. The magic that a good electrostat can create is just breathtaking - the "3d-ness" of the image with breadth and width outside and behind the speakers is something some of the Mirages came close to but the pinpoint imaging ability is something they couldn't do. I love demoing them for friends who've never experienced anything like it and blowing their minds.


Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: Burnsze15 on November 15, 2017, 12:44:57 PM
So for me, I started when I was 12 with Realistic bookshelves from Radio Shack! I had the very first 'Surround Decoder' from them which was for Dolby Surround (added rear channel decode).  My friends father had a subwoofer before subwoofers were really a thing. I fell in love at age 12 (this was better than girls!). At age 16 I had a Technics component system with 12" woofers, 3-way.  That was the cat's meow.  Years later after college I had the Klipsch RS series, 5.1.  Sony HT Receiver.  Then I was introduced to JTR. I was doing some live sound and DJ work at the time, and my Triple 8s and Growlers were used in the house when not out on the road (which was hardly ever).  From there I had Triple 12s, another gen of Triple 8s, and then went DIY.  Today I have a pretty serious DIY LCR Tower build underway which I will share in the DIY forum, and have CAP 4000 subs on order! That's my story!! Don't tell the wife, but I think I'm back to drooling over subs again, like I was 12! haha.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: AVSMike on November 16, 2017, 01:08:58 PM
So for me, I started when I was 12 with Realistic bookshelves from Radio Shack! I had the very first 'Surround Decoder' from them which was for Dolby Surround (added rear channel decode).  My friends father had a subwoofer before subwoofers were really a thing. I fell in love at age 12 (this was better than girls!). At age 16 I had a Technics component system with 12" woofers, 3-way.  That was the cat's meow.  Years later after college I had the Klipsch RS series, 5.1.  Sony HT Receiver.  Then I was introduced to JTR. I was doing some live sound and DJ work at the time, and my Triple 8s and Growlers were used in the house when not out on the road (which was hardly ever).  From there I had Triple 12s, another gen of Triple 8s, and then went DIY.  Today I have a pretty serious DIY LCR Tower build underway which I will share in the DIY forum, and have CAP 4000 subs on order! That's my story!! Don't tell the wife, but I think I'm back to drooling over subs again, like I was 12! haha.

Looking forward to your DIY speaker build. My LCR's are DIY. Each speaker has one Bema TPL-150H, two Acoustic Elegance TD12M's and one Acoustic Elegance TD18H. All three are baffle wall mounted, behind an AT screen and using active crossover.
Title: Re: Speakers we have owned to get us to the speakers we currently own.
Post by: ellisr63 on June 06, 2018, 07:47:17 AM
I haven't had as many speakers as some audiophiles but a few nice ones, though no DIY. Interesting to go through the memories and list them. The first 2 are pretty hazy but after that I started actually keeping track of purchases.

1978? Sansui speakers, no idea of model and I doubt anyone cares. I was 14 "ish" and mainly cared that they had some bass impact, much to my mom's chagrin! They were kind of squat but had 10" woofers for some decent kick.

1983? 3D Acoustics, sat/sub, I think 3D610B? It got rave reviews in the early 80s as one of the first satellite/subwoofer designs to get that configuration "right". This was my first entry into a really quality speaker and it opened my eyes to imaging and soundstaging that

1990 - Mirage M3. This was my first really higher end speaker purchase. I had become a fairly regular visitor to the one really high end store in my town and became enamored of some Acoustat electrostats which blew my mind. Then I heard the Apogee ribbons (in New Orleans, playing a 48KHz DAT recording of a jazz quartet made the previous evening) and was similarly moved. But I didn't have the budget for them and also wanted something that would dig a little lower in the bass. Enter Mirage with their early bipole designs with the M1 and then the M3. The M3 was an amazing speaker at the time, with a lot of the dimensionality and soundstaging of the dipole electrostat/ribbon designs but the dynamics and bass of a dynamic speaker. This began my love affair with Mirage that lasted across 3 decades...

2000 - Mirage OM6. Bought these as part of setting up my first true home theater with a projection screen. While not quite as good as the M3s they had the significant advantage of having a much smaller width and fitting on the sides of the screen where the M3 just couldn't. The M3s got moved to another room and sadly sold in 2003.

2008 - VMPS RM30. VMPS was a brand I read about for years in ads and saw a small number of reviews where it seemed to always be mentioned as being one of the best values in audio. Brian Cheney the designer was an early practitioner of the direct to consumer business model before the advent of internet direct sales. (Obviously by 2008 VMPS had a website too.) The RM30 was part of the "ribbon monitor" line with the midrange and up handled exclusively by planar-ribbon and ribbon drivers, with side mounted dynamic woofers. These basically replaced the Mirage M3 as my 2nd, 2 channel setup. Unfortunately when I got married a couple of years later they got kicked out.

2012 - Mirage OMD-28. The OMD line was Mirage's last hoorah for a "real" speaker, after becoming more a "lifestyle" maker of mostly satellite and extremely slim low profile speakers. The OMD-28s feature the "omnipolar" evolution of the bipolar design that Mirage failed to trademark. Using a sort of pod like deflector arrangement the midrange and tweeter are dispersed in a 360 degree pattern, somewhat like the Ohm Walsh drivers (but of course a different technique). These are my current HT speakers, with and OMD-C2 center. For an Atmos upgrade a couple of years ago I replaced the matching OMD-R surrounds with in-wall and in-ceiling Revel models. I may replace the OMD-28s with Revel front channels in the next couple of years, which would be the end of a nearly 30 year run with Mirage speakers for me.

2014 - Martin Logan Summit X. After the VMPS RM30s got kicked out I really missed having a high quality 2 channel setup, but with a new house in 2013 gained a space to restore that. My budget finally had caught up to my old cravings for a dipole speaker and I found a great deal on a demo pair of the ML Summit Xs. The magic that a good electrostat can create is just breathtaking - the "3d-ness" of the image with breadth and width outside and behind the speakers is something some of the Mirages came close to but the pinpoint imaging ability is something they couldn't do. I love demoing them for friends who've never experienced anything like it and blowing their minds.

I remember years ago going to Brian's house to listen to the Super VMPS speakers...great sounding speakers!
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