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Projection Screens => Screens (General) => Topic started by: Chris Seymour on November 05, 2016, 11:26:18 AM
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Welcome to the official thread where we can discuss Seymour AV and Seymour-Screen Excellence film screens. From DIY, to differentiated high-value consumer-direct, to the most innovative designs and materials in the CEDIA industry, we're the leading performance-focused screen manufacturer. Exporting screens TO China from our facilities in Iowa and England, we're also found in the screening rooms of media CEOs and the mastering rooms of the leading studios worldwide. When the sound AND image matter, we'll happily put our solution up front and Center Stage.
Cheers,
Chris Seymour
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I love my SeymourAV XD screen. When I ordered mine it was a custom size so it took a little longer to get, but I still had it very quickly. We made our own frame for the screen, and it went together very easily, and quickly. When we asked about making our own screen SeymourAV was very helpful, and we were able to have everything ready for the install by the time the screen material arrived. I would def recommend SeymourAV to anyone who wants a top notch screen!
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I had to laugh when I read this line:
"Exporting screens TO China from our facilities in Iowa and England"
Welcome Chris.
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Any other Seymour AV / Seymour-Screen Excellence owners here ? Chime in !
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Welcome to the official thread where we can discuss Seymour AV and Seymour-Screen Excellence film screens. From DIY, to differentiated high-value consumer-direct, to the most innovative designs and materials in the CEDIA industry, we're the leading performance-focused screen manufacturer. Exporting screens TO China from our facilities in Iowa and England, we're also found in the screening rooms of media CEOs and the mastering rooms of the leading studios worldwide. When the sound AND image matter, we'll happily put our solution up front and Center Stage.
Cheers,
Chris Seymour
Hi Chris. What's the skinny on this new higher gain AT material being shown with the RS4500 at AXPONA ?
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Any other Seymour AV / Seymour-Screen Excellence owners here ? Chime in !
Not an owner, but they are on top of my short list. I still have a two or three months to figure it out.
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I have been using EN4K in my screen for several years now. Great fabric.
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Hi Chris. What's the skinny on this new higher gain AT material being shown with the RS4500 at AXPONA ?
If anyone is going to the AXPONA show, we'll be displaying with JTR speakers (room LaSalle-B) and the new JVC laser-phosphor RS4500 projector. We'll be displaying the new Enlightor-Neo screen material on a 142" wide (159"d) image in 2.0 ratio. It'll be calibrated by Michael Boeker, and we'll no doubt have helpful oversight from Kris Deering (he reviewed the 4500 for S&V) and Ken Whitcomb.
We'll have more information on the Enlightor-Neo's specifications as we get final production material, as I may have some further tweaks to make as we equip the loom. The short story is it's an ultra-matte, mid-gain (for a woven AT material), with improved acoustic permeability. For the AVSers with our Seymour AV products, think of it as a finer, matter version of the Center Stage UF.
I hope to see you there!
Cheers,
Chris
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If anyone is going to the AXPONA show, we'll be displaying with JTR speakers (room LaSalle-B) and the new JVC laser-phosphor RS4500 projector. We'll be displaying the new Enlightor-Neo screen material on a 142" wide (159"d) image in 2.0 ratio. It'll be calibrated by Michael Boeker, and we'll no doubt have helpful oversight from Kris Deering (he reviewed the 4500 for S&V) and Ken Whitcomb.
We'll have more information on the Enlightor-Neo's specifications as we get final production material, as I may have some further tweaks to make as we equip the loom. The short story is it's an ultra-matte, mid-gain (for a woven AT material), with improved acoustic permeability. For the AVSers with our Seymour AV products, think of it as a finer, matter version of the Center Stage UF.
I hope to see you there!
Cheers,
Chris
Hi Chris. Let us know when samples are available !
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I would like to use the largest AT screen-centerstage XD unity gain in 2.4:1 format. Proj distance 20' with isco IIIL, seating at 16' light controlled rm. What's the biggest screen with about 14ft-lb brightness that the RS4500 can accommodate? Looking at projectorcentral, the numbers seem overly optimistic with brightness. Appreciate input from all users who now are very familiar with the nuances and capabilities of the RS 4500. I currently have RS500 with 136" scope screen and would like to go to 170" wide!!!
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I would like to use the largest AT screen-centerstage XD unity gain in 2.4:1 format. Proj distance 20' with isco IIIL, seating at 16' light controlled rm. What's the biggest screen with about 14ft-lb brightness that the RS4500 can accommodate? Looking at projectorcentral, the numbers seem overly optimistic with brightness. Appreciate input from all users who now are very familiar with the nuances and capabilities of the RS 4500. I currently have RS500 with 136" scope screen and would like to go to 170" wide!!!
I think mark_h on this forum is using a 180" diagonal 2.35:1 screen with a JVC RS4500. With an A lens, I'd say it would be bright enough, but you would want to devise a hush box or other solution to isolate the sound of the projector from the theater room, so you could run in high laser mode.
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I would like to use the largest AT screen-centerstage XD unity gain in 2.4:1 format. Proj distance 20' with isco IIIL, seating at 16' light controlled rm. What's the biggest screen with about 14ft-lb brightness that the RS4500 can accommodate? Looking at projectorcentral, the numbers seem overly optimistic with brightness. Appreciate input from all users who now are very familiar with the nuances and capabilities of the RS 4500. I currently have RS500 with 136" scope screen and would like to go to 170" wide!!!
By using an anamorphic lens you're able to use the center 16:9 portion for image area (64.4 sq.ft.) Assuming a 10% transmissive loss through the lens you'd need 1000 calibrated lumens to hit 14fL on a 170" wide scope screen with the Center Stage XD. That would be super easy with the RS4500 with light to spare for low lamp setting, future aging, HDR, contrast-increasing aperture closing or further mounting away.
Cheers,
Chris
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At least the mid setting should be able to do 14 foot lamberts. For HDR you might want to be able to run high laser though.
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Hi Chris. What's the skinny on this new higher gain AT material being shown with the RS4500 at AXPONA ?
It looked very good, would love to know what gain it was.
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It looked very good, would love to know what gain it was.
Final specs won't be known until US production gets going, but I'd expect (unbenchmarked) 0.8 / (benchmarked) 1.0
Chris
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We have the new Enlightor-Neo stock imported from the UK for immediate availability. It's roll width causes a height limitation of around 72". As we'll be looming it locally I'll be making a few tweaks, so as the old disclaimer goes "subject to change", but as it is now it's a fantastic screen material. Higher gain than the Enlightor-4K, much more matte, 0.5dB more AT (still flat), a whiter looking color and while the pattern is not randomized like the Enlightor-4K, its structure is shrunk down so small it passes the challenges I make at demonstrations to come up and put your nose on the material and tell me if you can see any structure.
The next show it will be demonstrated at is in the Dolby Atmos room at the LA Audio Show (LAAS) with JVC (their new laser 4K RS4500), Trinnov, and Stark Sound.
Samples are available if you contact me, Jon or Cody.
Cheers,
Chris
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We have the new Enlightor-Neo stock imported from the UK for immediate availability. It's roll width causes a height limitation of around 72". As we'll be looming it locally I'll be making a few tweaks, so as the old disclaimer goes "subject to change", but as it is now it's a fantastic screen material. Higher gain than the Enlightor-4K, much more matte, 0.5dB more AT (still flat), a whiter looking color and while the pattern is not randomized like the Enlightor-4K, its structure is shrunk down so small it passes the challenges I make at demonstrations to come up and put your nose on the material and tell me if you can see any structure.
The next show it will be demonstrated at is in the Dolby Atmos room at the LA Audio Show (LAAS) with JVC (their new laser 4K RS4500), Trinnov, and Stark Sound.
Samples are available if you contact me, Jon or Cody.
Cheers,
Chris
Does it have less sheen than EN4K? In bright scenes, like snow, I see a sheen with EN4K? I do view close at 9'-6". Is the pricing the same as EN4K?
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Does it have less sheen than EN4K? In bright scenes, like snow, I see a sheen with EN4K? I do view close at 9'-6". Is the pricing the same as EN4K?
Much less sheen, yes. At AXPONA (and coming up LA Audio Show), we challenge people to come put their nose up to it and see if they can see anything but pure whiteness.
Pricing is the same as EN4K.
Let me know what you think of the sample when you get it.
Cheers,
Chris
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Much less sheen, yes. At AXPONA (and coming up LA Audio Show), we challenge people to come put their nose up to it and see if they can see anything but pure whiteness.
Pricing is the same as EN4K.
Let me know what you think of the sample when you get it.
Cheers,
Chris
Will do. I also sent a request for Craig.
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We have the new Enlightor-Neo stock imported from the UK for immediate availability. It's roll width causes a height limitation of around 72". As we'll be looming it locally I'll be making a few tweaks, so as the old disclaimer goes "subject to change", but as it is now it's a fantastic screen material. Higher gain than the Enlightor-4K, much more matte, 0.5dB more AT (still flat), a whiter looking color and while the pattern is not randomized like the Enlightor-4K, its structure is shrunk down so small it passes the challenges I make at demonstrations to come up and put your nose on the material and tell me if you can see any structure.
The next show it will be demonstrated at is in the Dolby Atmos room at the LA Audio Show (LAAS) with JVC (their new laser 4K RS4500), Trinnov, and Stark Sound.
Samples are available if you contact me, Jon or Cody.
Cheers, Chris
I thought this screen material looked outstanding at Cedia !
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The masking system is great too - lots of folks will want to check it out.
It was a very clean artifact free picture with the Wolf version of the RS4500. No screen texture either !
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I spent a fair amount of time hanging out with Chris at CES on Tuesday. He had a 130" wide 2.37:1 AV Black 1.2 gain screen, which even with lots of light in the room, looked outstanding with the Wolf 4K laser projector ! These are all moving images !
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(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26232718_10215102546978103_1961809382709110192_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a9775209409a1cc2de3a82fe6e73f1fb&oe=5BEA173E)
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You were hanging out with Chris and Chris. :)
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Thanks for the pics, Craig. You look like your 7 feet tall standing next to Chris. ;D Cool screen backlighting! ;) :)
Remind me again, the Wolf is a RS4500? I don't think it is. isn't this a RS-6XX series with E-shift but with laser lighting? So is this unit any brighter that the lamp based units? You probably can't really get a good judgment of the noise of the projector could you?
EDIT: I just looked at the Wolf Cinema website and didn't know they modded so many different model projectors.
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That's not me - that's Chris Deutsch of JVC - and he might be 7' tall ! Yes, this is the Wolf version of the RS4500 ! The Wolf version is very quiet - I think they install a muffler.
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That's not me - that's Chris Deutsch of JVC - and he might be 7' tall ! Yes, this is the Wolf version of the RS4500 ! The Wolf version is very quiet - I think they install a muffler.
Ah, sorry. The picture is a little dark and I didn't think you were that tall. Nice projector, that has to be a hefty price.
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Ah, sorry. The picture is a little dark and I didn't think you were that tall. Nice projector, that has to be a hefty price.
Yep, they add another little box, that pretty much has to be a Lumagen. :)
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Seymour Screen Excellence Trim
Since I am buying one of these masking screens, I thought I would post about this product. The masking screens are available in CIW with top and bottom masking or CIH with horizontal masking. These masking screens have a very shallow depth, only 2.7".
All of Seymour Screen Excellence fabrics are available using the grip channel for their Enlightor acoustically transparent fabrics or with posts, grommets and o-rings for their Radiant or Ambient-Visionaire fabrics.
The screen masking uses independently controllable DC motors that can be controlled with the included wall switch and RF remote or you can upgrade to their RQ motor controller and add options such as IR, 12vDC trigger, dry contact, RS-232, or intermediate stops.
Another feature of this masking screen are the removeable, replaceable velvet wrapped frame covers. So if you ever damage the screen velvet, Seymour Screen Excellence can easily offer you a replacement piece.
I ordered a Trim L110 with optional motor control, IR and Neo fabric.
Sizes available:
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Anyone an owner of a Seymour ambient visionaire 1.3 screen. Received mine end of last year, it is a fantastic screen. What do you think of yours?
I opted for the magnetic masking panels as well. Just something about masking on 16:9 screen to make It scope.
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I will be given a gift of some Seymour UF screen material when a good friend upgrades his screen.
I will be replacing my spandex white over black screen. From what i read the gain of that material is 1.0? supposedly the spandex is 0.7 gain
any insight to this material would be welcome :)