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Video Source Devices => Media players => Topic started by: AVSCraig on December 31, 2019, 11:39:37 AM
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Kris Deering's Zappiti 4K HDR Media System review is interesting. Anyone have one of these ?
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/zappiti-4k-hdr-media-system-review (https://www.soundandvision.com/content/zappiti-4k-hdr-media-system-review)
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Kris Deering's Zappiti 4K HDR Media System review is interesting. Anyone have one of these ?
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/zappiti-4k-hdr-media-system-review (https://www.soundandvision.com/content/zappiti-4k-hdr-media-system-review)
I don't have one but it looked interesting. Lots of $$ though.
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Is anything cheap in home theater ? Don't answer that.................
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Is anything cheap in home theater ? Don't answer that.................
Black paint. :)
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While this system looks to be a costly but turn key start up for the user that is beginning his or her collection, there are hidden fee's and or subscriptions associated with the Nas. One would the cost of hard drives and the need for an internet connection for tech support to initialize those drives. From briefly reading through the support knowledge base I could not find any hardware specs that are in the inside. So if Raid 0 and you have 8 bays, 1 bay is used for the backup of failure of 1 data drive. What happens when you have 2 drives fail? Is this a software raid 0 or hardware? If hardware Raid and something inside fails, the identical part would need to be replaced in order for the raid to function again. How loud would this NAS be? Most large drives are all 7200 rpm which can become noisy and hot.
A better approach in my book is if you have the intent to start a media collection would be to start small and research your options to fulfill your needs including the future.
I just sold a 12TB Nas to a friend for 200 dollars. A great starter NAS for him to get his feet wet and learn the ins and out of a network storage device without a lot of overhead.
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While this system looks to be a costly but turn key start up for the user that is beginning his or her collection, there are hidden fee's and or subscriptions associated with the Nas. One would the cost of hard drives and the need for an internet connection for tech support to initialize those drives. From briefly reading through the support knowledge base I could not find any hardware specs that are in the inside. So if Raid 0 and you have 8 bays, 1 bay is used for the backup of failure of 1 data drive. What happens when you have 2 drives fail? Is this a software raid 0 or hardware? If hardware Raid and something inside fails, the identical part would need to be replaced in order for the raid to function again. How loud would this NAS be? Most large drives are all 7200 rpm which can become noisy and hot.
A better approach in my book is if you have the intent to start a media collection would be to start small and research your options to fulfill your needs including the future.
I just sold a 12TB Nas to a friend for 200 dollars. A great starter NAS for him to get his feet wet and learn the ins and out of a network storage device without a lot of overhead.
I have a Zappiti now - recommended by our very own Alan Gouger. You can buy your own drives and initialize them. No big deal. My NAS has 8 Seagate IronWolf 10TB NAS Internal Hard Drives in it. Not loud at all. Besides, I put it in my projector closet.
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I'm loving my Zappiti and my friends think it's totally cool! I have it on it's own WattBox® Uninterruptible Power Supply - 8 Outlets | 1500 VA along with the Zappiti Pro 4K media player.
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I love making new categories of movies. It's going to be easy to find old favorites this way!
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I love making new categories of movies. It's going to be easy to find old favorites this way!
Are you ripping all of your movies manually or is there an automated process?
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Are you ripping all of your movies manually or is there an automated process?
Stick them in the drive. After they rip they are identified, have the soundtrack play when you scroll over the movie, and are categorized. There is no way to " automate " ripping 700 + discs, except the Kscape - where you need to re-buy every movie.
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Those photos are off my computer screen, where you can access your collections and edit movie info, etc.
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Those photos are off my computer screen, where you can access your collections and edit movie info, etc.
Very cool. I did some research...that's a lot of coin, but their system is very slick.
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Very cool. I did some research...that's a lot of coin, but their system is very slick.
If money is no object it’s a plug and play solution. There are relatively less expensive (and more robust) options available. But I liken the difference to SQ (ala the old days with Audyssey built-in vs setting up multiple minidsp’s for Dirac Live). One is plug and play but with a little work, the alternative is much better.
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Very cool. I did some research...that's a lot of coin, but their system is very slick.
Not nearly as much money as K Scape. And of course it's all relative - Trinnov is a lot more coin than a Denon. Eventually one runs out of meaningful upgrades, but this one has wowed my guests!
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If money is no object it’s a plug and play solution. There are relatively less expensive (and more robust) options available. But I liken the difference to SQ (ala the old days with Audyssey built-in vs setting up multiple minidsp’s for Dirac Live). One is plug and play but with a little work, the alternative is much better.
If I had to do any work involving computers in my theater, it would be a no go. I have enough time consuming hobbies elsewhere. Like hand loading long range rifle ammunition, which takes an enormous amount of time. And working on bikes, the house, the pool etc. I don't need the theater to suck up time too. Plug and play is where it's at for me.
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Not nearly as much money as K Scape. And of course it's all relative - Trinnov is a lot more coin than a Denon. Eventually one runs out of meaningful upgrades, but this one has wowed my guests!
How many and how big of hard drives did you get?
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How many and how big of hard drives did you get?
“i have a Zappiti now - recommended by our very own Alan Gouger. You can buy your own drives and initialize them. No big deal. My NAS has 8 Seagate IronWolf 10TB NAS Internal Hard Drives in it. Not loud at all. Besides, I put it in my projector closet.”
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If I had to do any work involving computers in my theater, it would be a no go. I have enough time consuming hobbies elsewhere. Like hand loading long range rifle ammunition, which takes an enormous amount of time. And working on bikes, the house, the pool etc. I don't need the theater to suck up time too. Plug and play is where it's at for me.
My only issue with your setup is the Zapitti NAS. It uses RAID 5 which stripes data and parity across all of your disks. In the event of a multiple disk failure (even just 2), you might have to re-rip your entire collection. With my setup (UnRaid), I have the option to use single or dual parity and no data is striped. So worst case is a 3 disk failure and loss of data on one disk only. Be careful though, if one of your disks fails it’s possible another is not far behind - especially when you buy them all at once.
Anyway, weren’t you the same guy saying it only takes a min or so to load a disk?! 😜
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He def was. Now NAS is the greatest thing evahhhhh haha.
Sometimes you need ot be pushed off the ledge to realize what everyone keeps
Saying
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How many and how big of hard drives did you get?
Eight 10TB Seagate NAS drives. You can also get the Pro 4K player and it holds 2 drives up to 16TB.
Zappiti Pro | Zappiti (https://www.zappiti.us.com/product-page/zappiti-pro)
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My only issue with your setup is the Zapitti NAS. It uses RAID 5 which stripes data and parity across all of your disks. In the event of a multiple disk failure (even just 2), you might have to re-rip your entire collection. With my setup (UnRaid), I have the option to use single or dual parity and no data is striped. So worst case is a 3 disk failure and loss of data on one disk only. Be careful though, if one of your disks fails it’s possible another is not far behind - especially when you buy them all at once.
Anyway, weren’t you the same guy saying it only takes a min or so to load a disk?! 😜
Discs freezing in players not being firmware updated - like Oppo - is becoming a problem. Not a big problem yet, but I expect it to get worse. Tenet froze in the Oppo. Possessor froze in the Panny 820. Pain in the ass.
I can see what the health of my hard drives are at any time online -
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The best part about the Zappiti is their interface / software. It's totally cool.
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“i have a Zappiti now - recommended by our very own Alan Gouger. You can buy your own drives and initialize them. No big deal. My NAS has 8 Seagate IronWolf 10TB NAS Internal Hard Drives in it. Not loud at all. Besides, I put it in my projector closet.”
Somehow I missed that :)
Thanks!
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Somehow I missed that :)
Thanks!
Two 16TB drives in a Pro 4K player would be not too expensive, and hold a lot of movies.
2 x 16TB = 400 4K UHD Blu-rays / 800 Blu-rays
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Two 16TB drives in a Pro 4K player would be not too expensive, and hold a lot of movies.
2 x 16TB = 400 4K UHD Blu-rays / 800 Blu-rays
I have 303 4K UHDs, 1062 Blu-rays, and 64 Blu-ray 3D movies (and the collection is growing :)). I'd probably need the server. What would that cost...$5,000 or so? I can't seem to find pricing anywhere.
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I have 303 4K UHDs, 1062 Blu-rays, and 64 Blu-ray 3D movies (and the collection is growing :)). I'd probably need the server. What would that cost...$5,000 or so? I can't seem to find pricing anywhere.
We sell them now - I'll email you an estimate. Personally, I'm culling out about 10% of my discs I doubt I'll watch again. I'm only ripping favorite movies with high re-watchability.
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We sell them now - I'll email you an estimate. Personally, I'm culling out about 10% of my discs I doubt I'll watch again. I'm only ripping favorite movies with high re-watchability.
Thanks Craig.
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I have 303 4K UHDs, 1062 Blu-rays, and 64 Blu-ray 3D movies (and the collection is growing :)). I'd probably need the server. What would that cost...$5,000 or so? I can't seem to find pricing anywhere.
Have you ever built a PC? You could build a media server and even buy the Zapitti player for a lot less than $5k. It’s more expensive right now due to supply chain issues and component availability but I highly recommend doing some cursory reading on UnRAID (no affiliation, just a user for +12 years). The advantages over a Raid 5 configuration are worth it alone but the community is great and the software is constantly being upgraded. Other playback and front end solutions like Emby, Plex or Jellyfin are also easy to setup with the docker format. I personally use an nVidia Shield Pro (like a Zapitti Player for less) with Emby as my media interface (direct play via Shield vs transcoding). Nice thing about the Shield is use you can interface with any front end that has a Google store app unlike being limited to one offering. That one offering might be great for some but lacking for others…just depends on your needs.
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Have you ever built a PC? You could build a media server and even buy the Zapitti player for a lot less than $5k. It’s more expensive right now due to supply chain issues and component availability but I highly recommend doing some cursory reading on UnRAID (no affiliation, just a user for +12 years). The advantages over a Raid 5 configuration are worth it alone but the community is great and the software is constantly being upgraded. Other playback and front end solutions like Emby, Plex or Jellyfin are also easy to setup with the docker format. I personally use an nVidia Shield Pro (like a Zapitti Player for less) with Emby as my media interface (direct play via Shield vs transcoding). Nice thing about the Shield is use you can interface with any front end that has a Google store app unlike being limited to one offering. That one offering might be great for some but lacking for others…just depends on your needs.
No. For me that would be like building a car vs buying one. No interest. Turnkey like a Kscape is the only way I'd do this.
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Have you ever built a PC? You could build a media server and even buy the Zapitti player for a lot less than $5k. It’s more expensive right now due to supply chain issues and component availability but I highly recommend doing some cursory reading on UnRAID (no affiliation, just a user for +12 years). The advantages over a Raid 5 configuration are worth it alone but the community is great and the software is constantly being upgraded. Other playback and front end solutions like Emby, Plex or Jellyfin are also easy to setup with the docker format. I personally use an nVidia Shield Pro (like a Zapitti Player for less) with Emby as my media interface (direct play via Shield vs transcoding). Nice thing about the Shield is use you can interface with any front end that has a Google store app unlike being limited to one offering. That one offering might be great for some but lacking for others…just depends on your needs.
I have a Synology Media Server that I use to store music, pictures, and home videos (still have a ton of work to convert MiniDV tapes onto the disc drives). I have ripped a few movies to MKV and frankly, it was too much front end work to do. I'd rather just put the disc in the player :)
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I have a Synology Media Server that I use to store music, pictures, and home videos (still have a ton of work to convert MiniDV tapes onto the disc drives). I have ripped a few movies to MKV and frankly, it was too much front end work to do. I'd rather just put the disc in the player :)
Zappiti is like putting the disc in a player. It rips it and then it plays on your Zappiti player. In the event of future disc rot you have another way to watch your movies.
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I have a Synology Media Server that I use to store music, pictures, and home videos (still have a ton of work to convert MiniDV tapes onto the disc drives). I have ripped a few movies to MKV and frankly, it was too much front end work to do. I'd rather just put the disc in the player :)
Well, I’m not a fan of Synology because of the proprietary firmware on the NAS and lack of expansion options. But if you went with UnRAID and something like Emby, it could handle all of your media with one interface. Don’t get me wrong, Craig’s solution is pretty turnkey although at a premium price. Ripping mkv’s is not for the faint of heart but you could put your time into a script that mimics the same behavior vs selecting audio and video tracks, subtitles etc. in MakeMKV.
As has been stated here numerous times, those of us with media servers would never go back to disc play. Seems we have a new convert among us…not surprised. 😉
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Zappiti is like putting the disc in a player. It rips it and then it plays on your Zappiti player. In the event of future disc rot you have another way to watch your movies.
I really like the idea of instant access to my movie collection, but the idea of feeding close to 700 discs into a ripper is daunting. I think I had read you can buy extra disc drives to use, at a reasonable cost, so you can feed perhaps 3 at a time, or something like that. But even so, it is still daunting.
I would even consider the cost of a Kaleidescape system if they offered some path to add movies I've already purchased, even if I had to pay a small fee for each movie. But they don't seem interested in that. And no way am I going to buy all those movies yet again.
I have all my movies in the CollectorZ database, so can easily look through the collection on a phone, PC, etc., to decide what I want to watch. I obviously then have to go get the Disc and put it in, which as Dave Vaughn indicates isn't really a big deal. But I have to admit it would be cool to be able to access them with a nice GUI and just start playing them.
I vaguely recall some other limitations if I were to use Zappiti, in terms of 3d? subtitles? other? Any shortcomings compared to conventional disc play? Things you wish were different, or needed to be added (or removed)?
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I really like the idea of instant access to my movie collection, but the idea of feeding close to 700 discs into a ripper is daunting. I think I had read you can buy extra disc drives to use, at a reasonable cost, so you can feed perhaps 3 at a time, or something like that. But even so, it is still daunting.
I would even consider the cost of a Kaleidescape system if they offered some path to add movies I've already purchased, even if I had to pay a small fee for each movie. But they don't seem interested in that. And no way am I going to buy all those movies yet again.
I have all my movies in the CollectorZ database, so can easily look through the collection on a phone, PC, etc., to decide what I want to watch. I obviously then have to go get the Disc and put it in, which as Dave Vaughn indicates isn't really a big deal. But I have to admit it would be cool to be able to access them with a nice GUI and just start playing them.
I vaguely recall some other limitations if I were to use Zappiti, in terms of 3d? subtitles? other? Any shortcomings compared to conventional disc play? Things you wish were different, or needed to be added (or removed)?
Yes, you can add up to 2 additional ripping drives, for a total of 3. I'm going to get one. I'm culling some discs which will bring me down to about 720 movies. I also have Collector Z. I currently have 146 4K discs and and 168 Blu rays ripped. So about 1/2 of my 4K discs and 1/3 of the Blu-rays. Doubling the speed should have the collection finished in a couple of weeks.
I'll need to play some more movies with subtitles, but you basically have all the options available you would have with a disc player. All the subtitles are there, and audio tracks. Can't say about 3D - I don't have any 3D discs unless they came included ( like Alita ) - and I have no 3D glasses etc.
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I’m sure it’s a “wished I done it sooner” type situation. It was for me.
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Do any of the Zappiti units have built in tone mapping?
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Do any of the Zappiti units have built in tone mapping?
No. I'm using my Lumagen for that.
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That’s THE only downside of the NAS you need an external VP of some sorts.
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That’s THE only downside of the NAS you need an external VP of some sorts.
Same with a disc player though. Unless you have a 4K JVC projector.
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Just don't expect that you will be able to immediately rip every new UHD disc that you purchase. I don't know what Zappiti uses for decryption. I expect that it has a server side database with encryption keys for each title.
There are Blu-Ray discs and a few UHD discs that use Screenpass. There is also a new AACS 2.1 encryption version that is very difficult to break used on some UHD discs.
With AnyDVD HD, I sometimes need to wait a few days after disc release, or a few weeks in some cases, before I can backup the disc. Some cannot be backed up at all; Knives Out purchased from Best Buy for example.
Impossible to Rip Some DVD or Blu-ray on Zappiti NAS Rip – Ideas Proposals for New Features / Idées et suggestions (uservoice.com) (https://zappiti.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/924825-impossible-to-rip-some-dvd-or-blu-ray-on-zappiti-n)
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Claw that last part about altered resin in the Zappiti link is scary. I didn’t realize so many BRs are affected. The 4K discs with 3 layers will likely be even more susceptible to this disc rot. One more nail in the coffin for physical disc media. :(
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Same with a disc player though. Unless you have a 4K JVC projector.
Not true. The panny 820 did a fine job with Tm
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Same with a disc player though. Unless you have a 4K JVC projector.
Not true. The panny 820 did a fine job with Tm. Obv not up to par with lumagen. But nothing is
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Not true. The panny 820 did a fine job with Tm. Obv not up to par with lumagen. But nothing is
True, it did work better than nothing. It would be hard to go back to that instead of the dynamic tone mapping solutions we currently have.
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True, it did work better than nothing. It would be hard to go back to that instead of the dynamic tone mapping solutions we currently have.
Absolutely:)
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Just don't expect that you will be able to immediately rip every new UHD disc that you purchase. I don't know what Zappiti uses for decryption. I expect that it has a server side database with encryption keys for each title.
There are Blu-Ray discs and a few UHD discs that use Screenpass. There is also a new AACS 2.1 encryption version that is very difficult to break used on some UHD discs.
With AnyDVD HD, I sometimes need to wait a few days after disc release, or a few weeks in some cases, before I can backup the disc. Some cannot be backed up at all; Knives Out purchased from Best Buy for example.
Impossible to Rip Some DVD or Blu-ray on Zappiti NAS Rip – Ideas Proposals for New Features / Idées et suggestions (uservoice.com) (https://zappiti.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/924825-impossible-to-rip-some-dvd-or-blu-ray-on-zappiti-n)
I ripped Pulp Fiction no problem. Also, Knives Out on 4K BR ripped no problem.
True about new discs - Scott Pilgrim on 4K won't rip yet. Looper on 4K did !
The Zappiti team has been very helpful too.
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Using the Zappiti has been great. Watched " Train To Busan " last night with a friend. Fun movie, looked and sounded every bit as good as using my Oppo player, but no menus to fade through ( or previews - my wife might miss those ).
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I ripped Pulp Fiction no problem. Also, Knives Out on 4K BR ripped no problem.
True about new discs - Scott Pilgrim on 4K won't rip yet. Looper on 4K did !
The Zappiti team has been very helpful too.
What is the error message that comes up?
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What is the error message that comes up?
" Unable to rip the disk for now. Please try again in a few days. "
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I ripped Pulp Fiction no problem. Also, Knives Out on 4K BR ripped no problem.
True about new discs - Scott Pilgrim on 4K won't rip yet. Looper on 4K did !
The Zappiti team has been very helpful too.
Sometimes it depends on where you purchased the disc. A disc from Best Buy might have a different AACS key than one purchased from Amazon.
I was able to back up Scott Pilgrim with Any DVD so it should be added to the Zappiti database soon. Unless you bought it from Amazon which is listed as not supported in the Any DVD database...
Scott Pilgrim vs the World -- OPD: (Amazon US) BD_9d5e8e458364
List of UHDs currently UN-supported in AnyDVD | RedFox Forum (https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/list-of-uhds-currently-un-supported-in-anydvd.76597/)
Of course disc support by Any DVD might not match support from other products.
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Sometimes it depends on where you purchased the disc. A disc from Best Buy might have a different AACS key than one purchased from Amazon.
I was able to back up Scott Pilgrim with Any DVD so it should be added to the Zappiti database soon.
Taken ripped fine. The only ones that haven't are Zombieland 1 & 2 on 4K. 342 discs so far, including 167 4K movies.
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Maybe they are still working on the decode of the copyright
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Sometimes it depends on where you purchased the disc. A disc from Best Buy might have a different AACS key than one purchased from Amazon.
I was able to back up Scott Pilgrim with Any DVD so it should be added to the Zappiti database soon. Unless you bought it from Amazon which is listed as not supported in the Any DVD database...
Scott Pilgrim vs the World -- OPD: (Amazon US) BD_9d5e8e458364
List of UHDs currently UN-supported in AnyDVD | RedFox Forum (https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/list-of-uhds-currently-un-supported-in-anydvd.76597/)
Of course disc support by Any DVD might not match support from other products.
Mine came from Amazon. No big hurry, as I have 375 other discs to rip including 103 4K discs. The 4K discs will take 4635 minutes alone, unless my 2nd drive arrives soon. Then only 2317 minutes ( about 39 hours ). That 2nd drive will speed things up!
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I really like the idea of instant access to my movie collection, but the idea of feeding close to 700 discs into a ripper is daunting. I think I had read you can buy extra disc drives to use, at a reasonable cost, so you can feed perhaps 3 at a time, or something like that. But even so, it is still daunting.
I would even consider the cost of a Kaleidescape system if they offered some path to add movies I've already purchased, even if I had to pay a small fee for each movie. But they don't seem interested in that. And no way am I going to buy all those movies yet again.
I have all my movies in the CollectorZ database, so can easily look through the collection on a phone, PC, etc., to decide what I want to watch. I obviously then have to go get the Disc and put it in, which as Dave Vaughn indicates isn't really a big deal. But I have to admit it would be cool to be able to access them with a nice GUI and just start playing them.
I vaguely recall some other limitations if I were to use Zappiti, in terms of 3d? subtitles? other? Any shortcomings compared to conventional disc play? Things you wish were different, or needed to be added (or removed)?
K-scape sends you an Alto and you load all of your existing discs onto it. Then you pay a small fee per movie to get a digital copy that you can load onto your system.
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K-scape sends you an Alto and you load all of your existing discs onto it. Then you pay a small fee per movie to get a digital copy that you can load onto your system.
Interesting. I had contacted them a couple of years ago about this, and they didn't present this option. I'll have to get back in touch to get the details on this. Still a lot of work, and money, but it is appealing...
Thanks.
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Wait they make you pay a fee for movies you already own?! No thanks
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Wait they make you pay a fee for movies you already own?! No thanks
Yes. They are doing work to send you an Alto and to load the movies onto your que. They should get paid for doing this work. If you had someone come in and load all of your movies onto your system, you would expect to pay them, would you not?
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K-scape sends you an Alto and you load all of your existing discs onto it. Then you pay a small fee per movie to get a digital copy that you can load onto your system.
The Alto isn't even listed at K Scape anymore. Not on the dealer price sheet either.
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And K Scape is a LOT more expensive!
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Yes. They are doing work to send you an Alto and to load the movies onto your que. They should get paid for doing this work. If you had someone come in and load all of your movies onto your system, you would expect to pay them, would you not?
Sorry the way you initially posted. It didn’t read as if they were doing anything.
reguardless for the premium prince of the k scape. It should be a courtesy opp lol
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The Alto isn't even listed at K Scape anymore. Not on the dealer price sheet either.
They don't sell you one. They loan you one to load your existing movies onto. Then it is sent back to K Scape to load into your digital que.
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And K Scape is a LOT more expensive!
Yes, it is and if you have a large movie collection already, Zappiti looks like a good option.
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New media players coming soon from Zappiti!
https://youtu.be/nx5IghA3cPI (https://youtu.be/nx5IghA3cPI)
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https://youtu.be/tW3IskeNRtk (https://youtu.be/tW3IskeNRtk)
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https://youtu.be/ruy4Z17fLFk (https://youtu.be/ruy4Z17fLFk)
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How’s the ripping coming?
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How’s the ripping coming?
I'm pretty much finished. 702 movies including 300 4K Blu-rays ( I culled my collection of movies I doubt I'll watch again ), and a bunch of TV series including Battlestar Galactica, Homeland, Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Rome, and Chernobyl. Still have a lot of room on the NAS - used slightly more than 1/2 the available drive space.
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Nice! I have 685 4K movies and the favorites of 1080 movies an I am about 75% full. I have 48TB
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The computer app is great for totally organizing your movies! Very handy.
Zappiti Video for PC and Mac | Zappiti (https://www.zappiti.com/zappiti-video-download)
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I've been using my Zappiti to watch movies 100% lately, and I love this system. :)
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I've been using my Zappiti to watch movies 100% lately, and I love this system. :)
Ahhh how the naysayer has been converted :)
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Ahhh how the naysayer has been converted :)
It helped to get a turn-key easy to use system!
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It helped to get a turn-key easy to use system!
Just goes to show. Don’t knock it till you try it
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Just goes to show. Don’t knock it till you try it
The biggest surprise was my wife just okayed the purchase without a moment of hesitation !
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That’s the best haha
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Got my NEO unboxed and installed tonight - it works GREAT! Sends the correct metadata to my JVC projector, it's faster than the old player, picture looks great. Fairly easy to setup compared to the older model. So far so good.
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So far I LOVE the new NEO player. Rock solid, great picture, works faster!
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New firmware available now ( today ) -
1. Added recent tool (get last position after playback).
2. Fix for chapters in MKV not working when launching MKV from Zappiti APK.
3. Fix for BD menu video playback sometimes displayed in 1/4 of screen.
4. Auto resolution and auto framerate now supported also for DVD-Video (same as for files / BD).
5. UP/DOWN should work as FF/REW -- implemented for DVD-Video at the moment; for regular files and BD Lite will be implemented in next firmware.
6. Replace the name of the skin "Blur" by "Aurora".
DVD auto resolution now works
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Last week I got the Zappiti Reference player, and I love it... picture quality is great and it has DV. I like the silver skin, myself.
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Last week I got the Zappiti Reference player, and I love it... picture quality is great and it has DV. I like the silver skin, myself.
I'm almost exclusively watching movies on my NEO at this point. Love it!
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Same here...upgraded from a couple hundred dollar Dune HD PRO 4K to this, and it is soooo much better! Reexperiencing my collection and new 4k movies now.
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I use Zappiti’s NAS with the 4K HDR and my wife and I love it. I ended up adding the 2nd Blu-ray drive to speed up backing up my library. Yes, it is pricey, however it is pretty much plug and play. I did look into both K-Scape and Plex and liked the simplicity over Plex and cost over K-Scape.
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Sorry if this is a dumb question - but aren’t there legal issues with ripping BDs, especially in a turnkey product, like Zappiti? Isn’t this what got Kaleidescape in legal trouble that caused them to temporarily shut down?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not preaching. As a libertarian, I believe in “live and let live”, which includes paying for goods, services, and content. I stopped pirating software after graduating from HS in ‘91 and sidestepped the Napster mess mid-nineties.
I’m currently subscribing to multiple music and movie streaming services. Amazon Music, Spotify, Apple Music, Prime Video, Netflix, etc. For music it’s great, esp with Amazon high-def streaming. For movies - we are spur of the moment family - let’s sit down to watch something, and pick it now. Hence lots of movie purchases on Amazon Prime Video. And this is why K-scape with their store intrigues me. But I digress…
What I am curious about is how is Zappiti solving the legal problem and not getting ensnared in DMCA and the like. And why aren’t others doing it?
Max
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If you own the disc. There is nothing illegal about making a digital copy. As long as you don’t sell it. You are legally allowed to back it up
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There's a technicality in there for Blu-rays. While it's not illegal to copy the movie, it's illegal to break the copy protection on the disc.
That said, I've never heard of a case of a person being prosecuted for it when it's only for their own personal use.
The whole copy protection scheme was silly anyway, as it was broken almost immediately after release.
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There's a technicality in there for Blu-rays. While it's not illegal to copy the movie, it's illegal to break the copy protection on the disc.
That said, I've never heard of a case of a person being prosecuted for it when it's only for their own personal use.
The whole copy protection scheme was silly anyway, as it was broken almost immediately after release.
Not those who sell the ripping drives. As long as it’s not resold I don’t see the problem
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We were just discussing Zappiti a couple of weeks ago and now it looks like they are shutting down operations.
Here's the post that started it on AVS, quoting a letter that went out to their dealers:
Zappiti RTD1619DR (Neo, Reference, Signature) Thread | Page 165 | AVS Forum (https://www.avsforum.com/threads/zappiti-rtd1619dr-neo-reference-signature-thread.3218055/page-165#post-62856702)
And a little more information regarding support for owners:
Zappiti RTD1619DR (Neo, Reference, Signature) Thread | Page 166 | AVS Forum (https://www.avsforum.com/threads/zappiti-rtd1619dr-neo-reference-signature-thread.3218055/page-166#post-62857495)
Too bad. Sounds like it was a nice product between Kaleidescape and the multiple DIY solutions.
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Damn that stinks
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Damn that stinks
There may be a solution coming from Raphael at Zappiti - " we are working hard to propose something that will be at least as good as it was with Zappiti video, I will keep you posted on that, thank you for your support! ".
They may be able to provide an app that works. In the mean time, you can always watch the movies you have on your NAS in offline mode.
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as long as you can still watch your NAS. thats all that matters really
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Copied from another forum -
Below info is qouted from a reliable source
Zappiti support will continue until approximately the first of this year and most likely beyond that if the funds are there. If support ends, the codes for administrative access will be sent to owners. (allows us admin access to the NAS)
Warranty service will be performed by Let's get Physical as per the warranty, parts covered, labor and shipping charged. Out of warranty at going parts/labor charges.
The new proposed, by subscription, app will be a direct replacement for the current Zappiti Video app and it will become the default app when "Video" is selected on the player. The new app will require new identification of the titles on the NAS and all custom data added will not be carried over. The title info will default to that within the TMDB database.
The ripping software, MKV or AnyDVD has a lifetime license and will continue to be updated.
Worst case scenario, all titles on the NAS can be directly played via the explorer option or on a PC via VLC Media Player.
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I will also add that for us Zappiti NAS owners our database is not stored in the cloud since we have a Zappiti Nas so even if the cloud goes down we should still have all the content identification info as it is stored locally on the NAS.
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As luck would have it though, when I tried to play them through Explorer, I got the old "Making Playlist/Playlist Empty" problem that they had previously eradicated from my system with a couple of download tweaks. When I reported this problem, he said that I needed to change a setting on my Reference player, and emailed me a photo of the following screen: Home>Setup>Miscellaneous>File Browser. The setting that needed to be changed was the second one from the top: ""OK" Button on file". It needed to be changed from "Generate Playlist" to "Play single file". I did change that setting (and the one right under it: ""Play" button on file"), but by then I had already deleted the two .mkv files, as I was still ripping in other movies and didn't want the system to identify those two versions of movies that were already established on the system while Identifying the new content that I was introducing. Changing those two settings to "Play single file" has not had any effect on anything else so far, that I can tell.
My point in all this, aside from possibly helping anyone else who may be having the same issue, is that Zappiti Software Support is, at least for the time being, still alive and well and doing their best for us under what must be really tough circumstances for them.
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“For the time being”
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From a Zappiti Facebook group -
A replacement for Zappiti video will be presented at the Paris Audio Vidéo Show at the end of the month. The S P A V.
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Confirmed by Raphael -
Yes the new brand will be presented at the PAVS, the App on it will be the same for the Zappiti players. This APP for Zappiti players will be ready in November. I, let you know more after the PAVS!!
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R_volution | 4K Media Players (rvolution.com) (https://www.rvolution.com/)
This is the re-branded version of Zappiti. Coming soon!
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The new R_volution computer app is available ( came out last week while I was skiing ) -
R_volution | R_video for PC and Mac (rvolution.com) (https://www.rvolution.com/r-video-for-pc-and-mac?fbclid=IwAR1vNDckkSgJhlRYm5R1m4ClR1MelF-JOR57mltQdO0EwPsw9ZA_iGiFTHk)
You'll need to download new firmware to your player. It took me at least 5 tries to get it to finally download, so if at first you don't succeed, try, try again!
You can edit movies again on your computer. I'm sure improved versions will be forthcoming.