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Misc. Video => Video Processors => Topic started by: AVSCraig on March 28, 2018, 12:11:14 PM
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I now have a Lumagen Radiance Pro. Who else has one ? The scaling is excellent, and the next feature I really need to spend time with is the HDR tone mapping.
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Just got delivery of my Radiance Pro 4242 with 18 GHz inputs/outputs and installed in my rack. This coming weekend, I'll start getting to know it.
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Just got delivery of my Radiance Pro 4242 with 18 GHz inputs/outputs and installed in my rack. This coming weekend, I'll start getting to know it.
I'm planning on trying some more settings and features of the Radiance Pro this week. There is a lot this processor can do!
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I would be super curious how the scaling and chroma performance is on the Pro, would it be possible to post some test results from your end, like this 1080P chroma zone plate upscaled to 4K.
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I can see about test patterns, when I have more time.
Last night I experimented with my not so good A T & T U Verse cable TV - running it through the Radiance Pro, and having the pro scale it to 3840 x 2160. The picture definitely looks better. I also used the video delay feature. For some reason, U verse has had a lip sync issue - maybe because it's over the internet, and coming from a wireless modem. Never had that problem with Dish, but that was hard wired from the sat. dish on the roof. Anyway, it worked - better picture, audio is now sync'd !
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I have the pro. Its a very powerful processor. I love that it is smart enough to know if the source
is rec2020 or 709 and chooses the associated memory on the fly. I also like they make it easy to build a custom gamma curve. The box can do almost anything, Lumagen is in a league all by themselves.
Anyone thinking of purchasing one I have no reservation recommending their products. Check with the sales team. I am pretty versed with the product I am glad to help if anyone has any questions.
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Lumagen has added Dynamic HDR Tone Mapping for the Radiance Pro -
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates
I'll hopefully have some time to download and experiment with this on Sat or Sunday this coming weekend. :)
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Looking forward to just how good of a job this does with HDR.
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Looking forward to just how good of a job this does with HDR.
I'm sure it will be improved over time, but so far reports are very positive !
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I've got the latest firmware loaded and tried the HDR Dynamic Intensity Mapping today. So far it looks really good. Another step up picture wise !
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So I tested the movie " Solo " on 4K Blu-ray. The Dynamic HDR Tone Mapping made a big difference. It was perfectly watchable on my system before, but it looks much better now.
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Also have a Pro 4242 18G in / out; I set this up myself. I load 3DLUTs generated in Lightspace for colour & gamma correction of my JVC DLA-X7900. I also use the auto aspect detection, combined with a Raspberry Pi running a Python script to act as "glue" to drive the electric masks on my screen. It's a nice setup, and I particularly like being able to use all the features on all my playback devices; colour correction and auto aspect within Netflix etc is really neat. DTM does seem to be a useful step up, too.
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So I tested the movie " Solo " on 4K Blu-ray. The Dynamic HDR Tone Mapping made a big difference. It was perfectly watchable on my system before, but it looks much better now.
Craig are using the tone mapping on top of Chad B's calibrated gamma presets?
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Craig are using the tone mapping on top of Chad B's calibrated gamma presets?
I am, and HDR. I'm going to re-visit a few 4K Blu-rays now. I think John Wick 2 has some good scenes to test.
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I am, and HDR. I'm going to re-visit a few 4K Blu-rays now. I think John Wick 2 has some good scenes to test.
So I have been told that using a tone map on top of a custom curve is a no no. Interesting to hear that is what you are doing, successfully it sounds like.
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I am, and HDR. I'm going to re-visit a few 4K Blu-rays now. I think John Wick 2 has some good scenes to test.
Go to an unused user mode and try the tone mapping and see what it looks like. Granted it is not calibrated, but would be interesting to know if you see an improvement in the highlights.
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Go to an unused user mode and try the tone mapping and see what it looks like. Granted it is not calibrated, but would be interesting to know if you see an improvement in the highlights.
I am using the dynamic tone mapping. I looks excellent. Chad's calibration is just a gamma curve. The dynamic tone mapping works with HDR or SDR BT2020. I just happen to be using it with my existing calibration. And I must say - it's an improvement over anything the Panasonic UB820 can do, by far. As you would expect !
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It's easy to toggle the dynamic tone mapping on and off and see the difference.
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I am using the dynamic tone mapping. I looks excellent. Chad's calibration is just a gamma curve. The dynamic tone mapping works with HDR or SDR BT2020. I just happen to be using it with my existing calibration. And I must say - it's an improvement over anything the Panasonic UB820 can do, by far. As you would expect !
Pretty sure Kris Deering was one of the people that mentioned you should not use tone mapping on top of a custom curve. I know that when Chad B was at my place he also confirmed this which is why he did a calibration only (no arve tool curve) for the SDR 2020 setting he made to utilize my UB820s tone mapping. Glad that it seems to be working for you though.
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Pretty sure Kris Deering was one if the people that mentioned you should not use tone mapping on to of a custom curve. I know that when Chad B was at my place he also confirmed this which is why he did a calibration only (no race curve) for the SDR 2020 setting he made to utilize my UB820s tone mapping. Glad that it seems to be working for you though.
If I recall he said don't use the UB820 HDR optomizer and the new JVC RS1000 / 2000 etc. HDR optomizer at the same time.
Well, I either use both the calibrated HDR with Chad's custom curve and the Dynamic HDR Tone mapping in the Lumagen, or no Dynamic HDR tone mapping in the Lumagen at all, or I use the Dynamic Tone Mapping in the Lumagen but with an uncalibrated setting in the projector. Toggling it on and off shows what it does, and it does not detract from the base calibration or look bad in any way - only better in most scenes - like the entire beginning of Solo on 4K. I'm not using HDR - SDR2020, just HDR. I've played around with that a little, but to look as good as just using the custom gamma curves Chad installed would require a full blown re-calibration from someone like Kris. That isn't going to happen any time soon. From what I can see, the Dynamic Tone Mapping in the Lumagen just makes a great HDR picture even better. And it's going to have to stay like it is for the foreseeable future.
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The latest Lumagen DTM firmware update seems to work better than ever. I must say I'm really impressed with the Lumagen Radiance Pro now. Pretty much a must have component for me at this point.
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Is it possible to configure this for use with Projectors such that it has a constant output in terms of pixel resolution, depth, frequency, etc., to reduce HDMI handshakes to an absolute minimum?
For example when playing a Blu-ray, it will often switch from whatever the player itself is putting out, to the Blu-ray menus, coming attractions, etc. Lots of switching back and forth.
I still have the RS400 and those 15-20 second handshakes occurring repeatedly when trying to simply start watching a movie are really irritating.
I realize everything else that the Lumagen brings to the table, but wondered about this particular issue.
Thanks.
(I do plan on upgrading to a newer JVC, with much faster sync times, but not until they provide proper anamorphic modes to use with the DCR lens.)
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Is it possible to configure this for use with Projectors such that it has a constant output in terms of pixel resolution, depth, frequency, etc., to reduce HDMI handshakes to an absolute minimum?
For example when playing a Blu-ray, it will often switch from whatever the player itself is putting out, to the Blu-ray menus, coming attractions, etc. Lots of switching back and forth.
I still have the RS400 and those 15-20 second handshakes occurring repeatedly when trying to simply start watching a movie are really irritating.
I realize everything else that the Lumagen brings to the table, but wondered about this particular issue.
Thanks.
(I do plan on upgrading to a newer JVC, with much faster sync times, but not until they provide proper anamorphic modes to use with the DCR lens.)
I believe so, and I think Kris Deering has mentioned doing this. Of course the newer JVC's have a faster sync time. And you could use the Lumagen to scale for 16:9 with the DCR lens with the new JVC's too ( see what a slippery slope this is ? )!! :-X
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I believe so, and I think Kris Deering has mentioned doing this. Of course the newer JVC's have a faster sync time. And you could use the Lumagen to scale for 16:9 with the DCR lens with the new JVC's too ( see what a slippery slope this is ? )!! :-X
Thanks Craig.
And yes, it is my understanding that this would fix the anamorphic problem for 16:9 content, but apparently it is unable to address working with 3D content. This is a limitation inherent to the JVC, and not the Lumagen, according to what Kris has explained to me.
But yes, a *very* slippery slope.
I'm also anxiously waiting to see what the MadVR Envy will bring to the HDR Projector world, in terms of features, price, etc.
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Thanks Craig.
And yes, it is my understanding that this would fix the anamorphic problem for 16:9 content, but apparently it is unable to address working with 3D content. This is a limitation inherent to the JVC, and not the Lumagen, according to what Kris has explained to me.
But yes, a *very* slippery slope.
I'm also anxiously waiting to see what the MadVR Envy will bring to the HDR Projector world, in terms of features, price, etc.
Hard to determine if that will take months, or years. And then who's going to be the beta tester. Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.
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Hard to determine if that will take months, or years. And then who's going to be the beta tester. Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.
I know. Madshi indicated in one post that something would be out this year, but who knows...
That's why I went ahead and bought a Panasonic UB-820 so I could take advantage of the Tone Mapping and Dynamic Range Sliders for my RS400. I put it into use a couple of days ago, and am pleased so far.
I watched Justice League last night, and while I can't say it looked better than what I had previously with the Philips BDP-7501, it looked extremely good. At the last I should be able to get more consistent output from one movie to another. No DTM, obviously, which would be awesome, but at least a reasonable step in the right direction.
I haven't definitely decided against a Lumagen, but can wait a while to see how things evolve with both products, as well as on the Projector side of things.
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I've decided on a setting of 6 for the HDR dynamic tone mapping. Still looks outstanding, but a little less aggressive than using a setting of 8.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how " Pacific Rim " on 4K looks with the Lumagen HDR dynamic tone mapping - I have not watched it in quite a while ( since before the Lumagen ).
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Big Radiance Pro firmware update coming. Hopefully Kris Deering will chime in. Stay tuned.
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Hey Guys. Meant to post something yesterday but I'm battling Bronchitis at the moment, so I've been trying to take it easy and limit my time up and at the computer. I received the latest beta of the dynamic tone mapping for the Lumagen Radiance Pro the other day and went through a barrage of testing. This coming soon update is nearly a completely new build from the ground up on the tone maps and how they are processed. So completely new curves, and updates to scene detection along with other misc. bug fixes. The new curves are fantastic with obvious benefits in near black and scene detection. I went through an onslaught of scenes that I've found to cause issues with tone mapping and even went through a lot of the scenes frequently mentioned in the MadVR thread for causing issues and didn't see any! The balance of the tone maps is fantastic regardless of what I threw at it. Without a doubt the best tone mapping and HDR Iv'e seen to date. Keep your eyes peeled! I expect this build to drop very soon.
I will be reaching out to my customers once it does on the update and what settings I recommend with the new tone mapping!
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Hey Guys. Meant to post something yesterday but I'm battling Bronchitis at the moment, so I've been trying to take it easy and limit my time up and at the computer. I received the latest beta of the dynamic tone mapping for the Lumagen Radiance Pro the other day and went through a barrage of testing. This coming soon update is nearly a completely new build from the ground up on the tone maps and how they are processed. So completely new curves, and updates to scene detection along with other misc. bug fixes. The new curves are fantastic with obvious benefits in near black and scene detection. I went through an onslaught of scenes that I've found to cause issues with tone mapping and even went through a lot of the scenes frequently mentioned in the MadVR thread for causing issues and didn't see any! The balance of the tone maps is fantastic regardless of what I threw at it. Without a doubt the best tone mapping and HDR Iv'e seen to date. Keep your eyes peeled! I expect this build to drop very soon.
I will be reaching out to my customers once it does on the update and what settings I recommend with the new tone mapping!
Thanks Kris ! I'd be curious to hear what you recommend for the intensity mapping. I've backed off from 8 to 6 or 7 with the current firmware.
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Jim is saying the new update will probably drop on Monday of next week, so keep your eyes peeled!
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Jim is saying the new update will probably drop on Monday of next week, so keep your eyes peeled!
I've got a page open on Lumagen's website that I refresh every so often. It's like waiting for Xmas morning at this point. :D
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The new firmware is available to download - http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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And there is another firmware update - http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
The new dynamic tone mapping works amazingly well !
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Have not even received mine yet. I am a mac user, but do have an old Acer laptop.. Will have to see if the old Acer can do the firmware update. If not, my son uses a PC and I will just get him to do it.
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Have not even received mine yet. I am a mac user, but do have an old Acer laptop.. Will have to see if the old Acer can do the firmware update. If not, my son uses a PC and I will just get him to do it.
might as well try downloading and unzipping the firmware on the old Acer. Maybe it will work.
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Received my 4242 yesterday. Was only able to install rack ears and place in my rack. Have connected power to confirm it powers on. Probably will not have time to do anything with it, until this weekend.
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Received my 4242 yesterday. Was only able to install rack ears and place in my rack. Have connected power to confirm it powers on. Probably will not have time to do anything with it, until this weekend.
Did you get your Lumagen up and running Mike ?
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Did you get your Lumagen up and running Mike ?
I have it connected. All video sources to Lumagen and then to projector. Only setup I have done is for anamorphic lens on a slide. Kris will be visiting on the 29th. I had an older active HDMI cable that I was not using, so have that cable connected from my prepro to HDMI input #2 on the RS3000. Since the info on this secondary HDMI is audio only, it does not require full 18G HDMI. So for the few times that I may want to see audio related on screen info, I can switch to input #2 on the RS3000 and see it.
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I have it connected. All video sources to Lumagen and then to projector. Only setup I have done is for anamorphic lens on a slide. Kris will be visiting on the 29th. I had an older active HDMI cable that I was not using, so have that cable connected from my prepro to HDMI input #2 on the RS3000. Since the info on this secondary HDMI is audio only, it does not require full 18G HDMI. So for the few times that I may want to see audio related on screen info, I can switch to input #2 on the RS3000 and see it.
Good idea. I need to get my spare HDMI cable out and do that myself.
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New Lumagen firmware -
Beta 092019- Posted 093019 Replaced the DTM dynamic level (aka DLev) setting with a new more useful setting called dynamic pad (aka DPad). Added a new "adaptive" capability to DTM which allows DTM to adapt to light level changes between scene cuts. The adaptive feature can be enabled/disabled in the menu under Input: Options: HDR Setup: DynamicCtrls and defaults to enabled. Bugfix for DTM flickering issue. Bugfix for 2.40 input aspect with scale bias off was not as accurate as it should have been. Other small bugfixes. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com) .
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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The new firmware is working very well. Another improvement ! :)
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I updated the firmware on mine yesterday. Ended up being a little more trouble than I planned. I forgot that I loaned my windows laptop to my brother. So rather than drive the 30 mile round trip to get it. I took my Lumagen out of the rack to one of my PC's. Update went smooth and once back in system, changed the dev setting to 3. Watched a little bit of content and everything looked good. :)
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I must say the latest Lumagen DTM firmware looks outstanding with Dpad set to 3. I watched the last Maze Runner movie an 4K Blu-ray ( The Death Cure ) - which I liked. The picture ( and sound ) looked great across the board.
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The Lumagen and Panamorph DCR lens have helped continue to squeeze more performance picture wise out of my RS4500. I'm loving it !
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This latest HDR dynamic tone mapping firmware is excellent. Blade Runner 2049 looked amazing.
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Lumagen has announced a price increase, starting January 1st. Also Lumagen has announced that the 4240 and the 4440 are being discontinued.
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Lumagen has posted new firmware. I downloaded and installed it late last night, but have not had time to look at it yet. Will do so in an hour or two. :)
http://lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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Looking at some movies and the picture with the new firmware is fantastic. I am going to have to rewatch many of my movies. :)
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Looking at some movies and the picture with the new firmware is fantastic. I am going to have to rewatch many of my movies. :)
What dpad setting are you using - 1 ? Can't wait to try this.
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Looking at some movies and the picture with the new firmware is fantastic. I am going to have to rewatch many of my movies. :)
Hey Mike,
This will be difficult to answer, but can you characterize the nature of the improvements you see with the Lumgan vs the JVC on its own with DTM? I imagine one aspect of it would be eliminating the need to tweak settings on a per movie basis, but there's likely more to it than that.
And do you think you'd be able to consistently identify the differences in a Blind A/B test? If so, what would the giveaways? And would this be for all movies, or just the more 'difficult' ones?
Thanks.
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What dpad setting are you using - 1 ? Can't wait to try this.
Yes, using 1. :)
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Hey Mike,
This will be difficult to answer, but can you characterize the nature of the improvements you see with the Lumgan vs the JVC on its own with DTM? I imagine one aspect of it would be eliminating the need to tweak settings on a per movie basis, but there's likely more to it than that.
And do you think you'd be able to consistently identify the differences in a Blind A/B test? If so, what would the giveaways? And would this be for all movies, or just the more 'difficult' ones?
Thanks.
I can't. Since I already had the Lumagen, I did not bother to download the update adding this to the JVC, because I can't really compare the two. The calibration for my JVC is in my Lumagen, so if I took out the Lumagen, I lose the calibration. So it would not be an apples to apples comparison.
With the Lumagen, I do zero tweaking.
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I can't. Since I already had the Lumagen, I did not bother to download the update adding this to the JVC, because I can't really compare the two. The calibration for my JVC is in my Lumagen, so if I took out the Lumagen, I lose the calibration. So it would not be an apples to apples comparison.
With the Lumagen, I do zero tweaking.
Thanks Mike, and understood.
If anybody else here can speak to this, I think the observations could be useful.
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Kris Deering probably could.
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Yes, Kris has compared and he posted some info. Kris said that JVC did a very good job, especially for a first attempt. Now keep in mind that Kris's comparison between JVC's DTM and the Lumagen was done before the last two firmware updates on the Lumagen, so the gap between the two has increased. But back when Kris did compare, Kris said often times the two looked very similar. Where there was separation was in the tougher scenes. But I will say, Lumagen's DTM has improved a lot with the last two firmware updates.
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Hey Mike,
This will be difficult to answer, but can you characterize the nature of the improvements you see with the Lumgan vs the JVC on its own with DTM? I imagine one aspect of it would be eliminating the need to tweak settings on a per movie basis, but there's likely more to it than that.
And do you think you'd be able to consistently identify the differences in a Blind A/B test? If so, what would the giveaways? And would this be for all movies, or just the more 'difficult' ones?
Thanks.
I've mentioned before that I think JVC did a great job with their new tone mapping, especially given their first shot at it. When I did my comparisons against the Lumagen here, it was with a much older build of the Lumagen tone mapping than what is available now. Even then the differences with "difficult" material were quite noticeable. I had a friend that has a JVC over to see as he was curious and he was surprised at how much better the Lumagen looked with content that really tests tone mapping. Because of the nature of JVC's tone mapping it also still requires user intervention to tweak (sometime on a movie by movie basis), whereas the Lumagen is set it and forget it. So not only are we talking about much better performance across the full range of tone mapping but also a much easier experience for the user.
This also doesn't take into account any of the other benefits the Lumagen brings to a video setup, which can be substantial depending on the setup.
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I've mentioned before that I think JVC did a great job with their new tone mapping, especially given their first shot at it. When I did my comparisons against the Lumagen here, it was with a much older build of the Lumagen tone mapping than what is available now. Even then the differences with "difficult" material were quite noticeable. I had a friend that has a JVC over to see as he was curious and he was surprised at how much better the Lumagen looked with content that really tests tone mapping. Because of the nature of JVC's tone mapping it also still requires user intervention to tweak (sometime on a movie by movie basis), whereas the Lumagen is set it and forget it. So not only are we talking about much better performance across the full range of tone mapping but also a much easier experience for the user.
This also doesn't take into account any of the other benefits the Lumagen brings to a video setup, which can be substantial depending on the setup.
Appreciate this, Kris.
With regard to what I put in bold in your comment, did he indicate specifically what about the image he found to be that much better than his JVC?
To be clear, I'm not doubting or challenging his observations, just wanting to understand how the superior performance of the Lumagen manifests itself.
For example, when I compared my prior RS400 to my current NX7, for HDR content, colors were dramatically more vivid, and the image had overall much better 'pop' (not a very precise term, to be sure!). Resolution and detail wise, the differences were much more subtle, at least with actual content, not patterns, and at normal viewing distance.
So I have a reasonably good feel for what someone would expect going from an RS400 to NX7, and am trying to get a grasp on what a Lumagen, or Envy for that matter, would bring to the table (other than a 'set it and forget it' capability, which would be most welcome by itself).
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I have been fiddling with the the Dpad setting after the most recent firmware update and have found that I prefer a setting of 1 over my previous setting of 3. However I can't remember how to copy and save the change to all of my inputs. Can anyone easily tell me the proper steps to do this? I would contact Craig Round whom set up and calibrated my system, but I don't want to call him over the holidays.
Thanks in advance.
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I have been fiddling with the the Dpad setting after the most recent firmware update and have found that I prefer a setting of 1 over my previous setting of 3. However I can't remember how to copy and save the change to all of my inputs. Can anyone easily tell me the proper steps to do this? I would contact Craig Round whom set up and calibrated my system, but I don't want to call him over the holidays.
Thanks in advance.
Play HDR source on each of the inputs that can receive an HDR source. Then hit left arrow on Lumagen remote and select a dpad of 1.
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Play HDR source on each of the inputs that can receive an HDR source. Then hit left arrow on Lumagen remote and select a dpad of 1.
I thought there was a " save for all inputs " choice in the menu when doing a save ?
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Appreciate this, Kris.
With regard to what I put in bold in your comment, did he indicate specifically what about the image he found to be that much better than his JVC?
To be clear, I'm not doubting or challenging his observations, just wanting to understand how the superior performance of the Lumagen manifests itself.
For example, when I compared my prior RS400 to my current NX7, for HDR content, colors were dramatically more vivid, and the image had overall much better 'pop' (not a very precise term, to be sure!). Resolution and detail wise, the differences were much more subtle, at least with actual content, not patterns, and at normal viewing distance.
So I have a reasonably good feel for what someone would expect going from an RS400 to NX7, and am trying to get a grasp on what a Lumagen, or Envy for that matter, would bring to the table (other than a 'set it and forget it' capability, which would be most welcome by itself).
It was visible artifacts for the most part. He was seeing how detail was either clipped or not there with the JVC solution compared to the Radiance. He was also commenting on the strength of the highlights and naturalness of the image. He also noted how I never touched any setting on the Radiance and it always looked fantastic, but I had to go and manipulate the JVC from time to time to get the best result or something that approached the Radiance.
When I compared the JVC to the Radiance when the JVC firmware came out I was surprised how well JVC did. I would say somewhere around 70-80% of the performance with tone mapping overall, with some content looking better than that and some looking worse. But the Radiance has already gone through another rather major update in performance for HDR and has pulled even farther away, especially with the difficult stuff.
How much an end user will notice between a JVC and a Radiance obviously is subjective to the consumer and how fussy they are or how much they LOOK for problems rather than sit back and watch movies. I LOOK for issues ALL THE TIME, so I am overly critical. But I have yet to install or setup a Radiance that wasn't met with an overwhelming WOW from a client when it comes to how much better it looks than before. And I'd say that over 95% of my clients are using JVCs and Sonys, with more leaning toward JVC. I updated a client's Radiance yesterday from the firmware from a few months ago to the latest build and I was getting non stop texts from him last night about how blown away he was with the improved performance, literally surprised that any product could change that much from just a firmware update.
I've worked my butt off for the last few months trying to help Lumagen fine tune their DTM and other tweaks to the Lumagen. So hearing something like that is awesome.
On that note, if anyone here is interested in having their Lumagen tuned reach out. I offer remote setup and fine tuning for customer's specific setup so they can get the most from their Lumagen, even if they can't get someone to come to their house and do a full system calibration. I've done this for clients all across the states and even in Europe, Australia and the Middle East all with fantastic results.
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Thanks for the detailed and very helpful reply, Kris!
Best wishes for a great New Year!
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Wow - the new Lumagen DTM firmware really improves the picture. It's like it's brighter but the blacks look just as black - not sure how they did that. No clipping that I can see. I have more testing but so far it looks amazing.
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Wow - the new Lumagen DTM firmware really improves the picture. It's like it's brighter but the blacks look just as black - not sure how they did that. No clipping that I can see. I have more testing but so far it looks amazing.
What Dpad setting are you using? I have found that I prefer a setting of 1 the most. It really brightened the image from my previous setting of 3 without any noticeable clipping.
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I think Craig is using a setting of 1. That is what I am using. :)
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Yes - using a setting of 1. Also, pretty cool that a calibrator like Kris Deering can send you a file to update your Lumagen settings if needed. :D
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Yes - using a setting of 1. Also, pretty cool that a calibrator like Kris Deering can send you a file to update your Lumagen settings if needed. :D
Yes it is. Craig Rounds calibrated mine and he called me and walked me through the changes over the phone. What did you folks set your low ratio too? Mine settled at 28 up from 24 prior.
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Yes it is. Craig Rounds calibrated mine and he called me and walked me through the changes over the phone. What did you folks set your low ratio too? Mine settled at 28 up from 24 prior.
Not sure because Kris sent a new configuration file, and I just uploaded it to the Lumagen. No manual setting changes required.
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The newest firmware added some great features ( like re-programming the remote buttons ), and the picture looks outstanding !
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I've already received some help (separate thread) on calibrating/setting up a JVC NX7 and Lumagen Radiance Pro from this group and I appreciate the help. Mike was also very gracious in responding to an emailed query. The reason I am writing is that although the NX7 - Radiance Pro combination works amazingly well for SDR, I am getting my rear end handed to me in trying to set up that combination for 4K UHD. In my experience folks like details about the set up before responding, so I have provided that below. But the general issue is that although I am getting incredibly good colors, every bright object in the image (lights, the sun, sunlight gleaming off helmets in The Martian, etc.) has a halo around it (the bright spots are flaring). Based on my limited understanding (I have read most of the postings on this forum and AVSForum discussing calibration and the Radiance Pro and the tips and suggestions put out by both Lumangen and Chromapure, but have to admit to being more overwhelmed than anything).
My fundamental questions are (a) what am I doing wrong and (b) how can I solve it? I apologize for the breadth of the questions, but don't really know how else to phrase them. I assume that this halo/flare issue has to do with settings for HIM/DTM (and not color calibration), but again none of my experimentation has really solved the problem.
SDR Settings (for reference)
NX7 - Picture Mode: Natural; Color Profile: BT.709; Color Temp: 6500K (gains/offset tweaked for 20% and 80% grey using a xRite iD3 and Chromapure); Gamma 2.2. Lamp Power: Low; Aperture: Auto 2 at -2 (set to Manual during calibration).
Radiance Pro - CMS0; Colorspace SDR709; HDR Flag: Off; 2020 <-> 601/709: Auto
Calibrated with Chromapure Autocal (729 point color/21 point Gamma).
Looks incredible. The aperture at -2 is a bit weird, but that is the only way I can get approximately 48 nits (using Chromapure Raw reading of 100% white).
HDR Settings (flaring/halo)
NX7 - Picture Mode: HDR10; Color Profile: BT.2020' Color Temp: HDR10 (again gains/offset tweaked for 20% and 80% grey using same sensor and Chromapure); Gamma: 2.4; Lamp Power: High; Aperture: Auto 2 at 0 (set to Manual during calibration).
Radiance Pro - CMS1; Colorspace: SDR2020; HDR Flag: On; 2020 <-> 601/709: Auto
(also calibrated with the same meter, Chromapure Autocal 729 point color/21 point Gamma). Turned off HIM during calibration. Calibrated with the source (Oppo 203) turned off.
HDR Intensity Mapping: On; Max Light: 400 (this is approximately X6.4 of the 62.2 nits reading I get with the NX7 at the settings above using Chromapure at 100% white); Gamma into 3D LUT: SDR.
Low Display Ratio: 40; High Luminance Desat: 4; DTM: Enabled; DTM Pad: 3; Adaptive: Yes
I am projecting onto a SeymourAV AT screen, which I believe has neutral gain.
I am happy to attach (a) Chromapure reports or screenshots of the halo/flaring if that helps. Thanks in advance on any suggestions/guidance that anyone can provide.
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New Lumagen Radiance Pro firmware available -
041120- Posted 042020 Numerous HDR Dynamic Tone Mapping improvements. Fix for aspect detection for interlaced sources. Some other minor auto aspect detection improvements. Added rs232 command (ZY418 see tech tip 11 for usage) to set background/foreground color for text messages. Fix for 'NLS when applicable' under Input: Options: Aspect Setup: Auto Aspect which when set to 'on' did not set NLS when exiting the menu. Fix for full rs232 input change report change (v2) not always reporting a change (useful for control systems). Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com) .
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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041620- Posted 042520 Better version of small DTM improvement in 041220 fixes several more challenging DTM cases. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com) .
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
Hopefully I'll get a chance to test the latest firmware soon.
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The Lumagen Radiance Pro video processor is maybe the best thing I've added to my 4K projector for HDR. Everything looks outstanding automatically. The latest news from Lumagen -
Dynamic Tone Mapping (DTM):
We continue to improve the Radiance Pro Dynamic Tone Mapping (DTM). A movie producer, who is one of the people responsible for post-production image quality at a major studio, evaluated the Radiance Pro DTM versus the other available, or soon to be available, DTM options. He compared Studio Masters to the DTM output of the Radiance Pro and the other products. He said that “the other DTM options are not even in the same league as the Radiance Pro DTM.” This was before the currently posted software release which further distanced the Radiance Pro from the competition. In addition, we have another release in the works which will have further DTM improvements. These upcoming improvements will enhance a few difficult corner cases, and will not affect the majority of scenes. So, the current public release (060120) already provides exceptional results.
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There is a new Lumagen Radiance Pro firmware update -
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
080120- Posted 081220 Fix for a slight flicker issue seen with dynamic tone mapping in some movie titles. Improved algorithm for DTM DeSat used to limit saturation peaking for dynamic tone mapping and added an 'Auto' setting for DeSat in the DTM menu which is the new default. Fixed issue with DTM not taking into account user set video delay. Fix for auto aspect not always detecting image bounds with 9ghz input cards. New 18Ghz input chip firmware has small improvements from update on 051820. Fix for an intermittent video/audio drop with a Direct TV source. Added feature for Kaleidescape player to eliminate output mode changes when changing from Kaleidescape menu to movie -- a short "how to" is below. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support@lumagen.com .
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware. Systems with 18Ghz input cards will have ~1 minute bootup time on first power up after this update as internal input chip firmware updates---if after first power-on it comes up with green/pink colorization then turn Pro off and back on to power-up for a second time.
How to set up Kaleidescape Strato & Pro to eliminate unnecessary output mode changes
With many projectors changing the output mode (.ei 4k24 to 4k60) can be rather slow. The Kaleidescape player always uses 60hz for it's menu but when playing a movie it's preferable to have it set to play at 24Hz so going between menu and movies can leave the viewer sometimes waiting 30 seconds with a blank screen while the equipment syncs up to the new output mode. A very simple way to fix this is just to set the Pro to output 4k24 for all input modes but then the less common case of 60Hz videos from the Kaliedescape would look stuttery so a method to stay in 24Hz output for only the Kaleidescape menus and 24Hz movies is desirable. There is a way to detect the special case of Kaleidescapes' menu screen and with a new option in the Pro we can eliminate this slow resync time between menus and movies and keep 60Hz videos looking good. To do this, make a change in the Kaleidescape players advanced video setup menu and set the HDMI Content Type Metadata to 'Transmit content type metadata' (the Kaleidescape will now output a special graphics flag over HDMI when in it's menu). On the Pro menu under Input: Options: HDMI Setup: Type, set the Graphic Flag Use setting to 'Use'. Now when the Kaleidescape is in it's menu the Pro will detect and use the graphics flag and classify the input mode as 'Other' (instead of 4k60). So the last setting to make is in the Pro's Output Setup menu and for the input mode condition of 'Other' change the Pro's output mode, CMS's and Style selection to match what is setup when detecting a 24Hz input mode. The Pro will now stay in the same 24Hz output mode when Kaleidescape changes between 60Hz menu and 24Hz movies but still allow the Pro to change to a 60Hz mode when 60Hz videos are played.
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Note that we have some B-stock for CEDIA Sale.
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We have been working on the pipeline enhancements now that we have the DTM in such great shape. We should have a release in about a week with an improved up-sampling algorithm (e.g. 2k to 4k), and both a sharpener for scaling (e.g. 2k to 4k), and a sharpener for 4k content. The new scaling algorithm (without any sharpness turned on) increases the Radiance Pro scaling score on the Tektronix scaling analysis tester by about 10% and there is a noticeable increase in image detail.
I can post more at a later date, but everyone should realize that over-sharpening alters the director's intent. Making a distant object "sharp" is wrong since that is not how it would look if you were there in person. Distant objects should be out of focus consistent with their distance from the observer. The same can be said when objects in motion are sharpened. You are reducing the intentional and necessary motion blur.
When you over-sharpen an image you create the dreaded "soap opera effect." The common complaint I hear from professionals about sharpening is that it makes the images look "artificial" and "over processed."
When a movie mastered in 2k is converted to UHD or HDR, the director/producer/grader decide on how sharp the resulting 4k images should be. They have the tools to really sharpen the images if they thought it was the right thing to do. However, you do not see this. An example I will likely discuss in more detail later is Skyfall. It was mastered in 2k and then up-sampled for the UHD version. The Radiance Pro scaling of the 2k version of Skyfall, without any sharpening, to my eyes looks essentially identical to the 4k UHD version. This is exactly what a scaling algorithm should do.
I do think there is a place for a small amount of sharpening to correct for detail lost in compression. For example Skyfall would have some additional detail if it was instead mastered in 4k. In addition, I think people would be surprised at how much high frequency detail is thrown out once the content is converted to the frequency-domain during the compression process. Looking at the "truncation matrix" for Luma and Chroma I have always been surprised at how good the images still can look after the high frequencies are reduced, or even tossed away. Trying to recover the lost detail makes sense, and that is what we are trying to achieve with the Radiance Pro sharpening we are working on.
One professional described (over) sharpening as "putting 10 spoon fulls of sugar in your coffee." It makes the images sickly-sweet. For the Radiance Pro we are working to recover lost detail with our sharpening algorithm, without making the mistake of over-sharpening the images. Our goal has always been, and will remain, studio reference standard image quality.
Jim Peterson
Lumagen, Inc
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under what menu will the new sharpening controls be located? Since Darbee is not considered to be a sharpening process, how would you expect your new sharpening algorithm to interact with Darbee? Would you advise disabling Darbee once the new firmware is released or are they potentially synergistic? Lastly, will the new firmware have any improvement in upscaling of 480 (DVD) content? Thanks!
The new enhancements will be in the enhancement menu. That is Input -> In Configs -> input_resolution -> input_resolution_memory -> Enhance -> Sharpness. So this will be a per-input, per-input-memory and per-input-resolution settings to you can optimize for every input resolution.
Darbee is a "contrast enhancer" and the new Pro enhancements are "edge enhancements." In the older Radiance models, and now confirmed in the Radiance Pro, used with a light touch the Darbee and edge enhancements are synergistic IMO. I personally prefer the edge enhancements, and I think if you turn the new edge enhancements up a bit more you might choose to turn off Darbee. However, used in moderation they can be on at the same time since they affect the image in different ways.
I think this is one of those times that I have to send everyone off to experiment and report back once we release the edge enhancements. I think different people may well have different opinions. For example, I am doing testing with Darbee Off and I really like the results of using only the edge enhancements. However, for comparisons, I have my four memories set to:
MEMA: No enhancement
MEMB: New edge-enhancement only
MEMC: Darbee only
MEMD: Both
Note that if you want to do this once this is released you must select a different "input_resolution_memory" (0 to 7 available) for each input memory using the "Input Setup" menu. Don't forget to Save.
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I have not spent much time on 480 or 576 content, but the edge enhancements do apply. However, a lot of SD content is low on detail, and high on noise. The edge enhancements work on detail. Since detail is lacking for SD content, little to work with. With a lot of SD content there is quite a lot of compression artifacts and image noise. The edge enhancements are happy to enhance artifacts and noise, which of course is not a good thing. I did look at a scene from "House of Flying Daggers" and the edge enhancement did improve the print on a cloth to some degree.
Jim Peterson
Lumagen, Inc.
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We are increasing precision of sections of logic being "touched" as they are worked on. For now this is the edge enhancement which touches some parts of the scaler. However, not all of the scaler is being worked on for the enhancement efforts. Over the next few months we will be updating more of the "10-bit section" of the pipeline to be 12 plus bits.
Jim Peterson
Lumagen, Inc.
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New firmware -
080720- Posted 092820 Added option to HDR max default to 'Always' use the user settable default Max Cll value. This is usually left at 'Auto' which can use information from the source to augment DTM but if the source is rarely correct it is better to use just the value set for Max default. This setting is found in the menu under Input: Options:Hdr Setup: Max Default . Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com) . We're very close to having another update that includes a sharpness enhancement option so you may choose to wait and update then.
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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I'm really excited about the next firmware release, which should be soon !
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Yes, a lot of us are waiting on that one. :)
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sigh...if i only were rich (or single)
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sigh...if i only were rich (or single)
The B stock sale ends today. You don't need to be too rich. Can't comment on being single. :-X;D
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sigh...if i only were rich (or single)
Nah, wife and kids are much better than a VP or new projector. Though, wife, kids and nice AV is pretty good and you are getting there. :)
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Nah, wife and kids are much better than a VP or new projector. Though, wife, kids and nice AV is pretty good and you are getting there. :)
i know i jest aghahah
but thanks! i do enjoy what i already have :)
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Here's a great review from Dylan -
https://hometheaterreview.com/lumagen-radiance-pro-4446-4k-video-processor-review/ (https://hometheaterreview.com/lumagen-radiance-pro-4446-4k-video-processor-review/)
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New Lumagen firmware -
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
092320- Posted 10520 Added sharpening enhancement feature which can be accessed in menu under Input: In Configs: RES: Enhance (or with right arrow). Has level setting from 0-7 (7 being extreme sharpening) and a sensitivity setting which can be set to High or Norm (the High setting avoids sharpening low level changes). You can also access sharpening with right arrow command if you set the option under Other: I/O Setup: Remote Ctl: R/Left arrows option for this. Several improvements in FPGA have improved pixel precision especially for 1080 being upscaled to 4k.. Fix for DTM with some fast scene changes causing distracting color change (problem originally seem in Umbrella Academy with bright clouds in background). Fix for menu command to reset all settings except CMS. Fix for being unable to copy input settings to virtual inputs. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com) .
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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Updated mine tonight and set sharpening to 3. Looks good so far. Really happy with the Lumagen. It just keeps getting better and better.
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Obviously I need to watch a lot more content, but so far it looks really good.
For 1080P upscaled to 4K I have sharpening on 3.
For 4K UHD I also have sharpening on 3.
Sensitivity – High.
Darbee seemed to be set at a default of 40, even though I could have sworn it was off ( does it re-set during firmware updates ? ), so I tried 20, then 15, then flipped it on and off using the Blu-ray " Cloud Atlas " as a test disc. Personally, I find the picture a tad cleaner looking with sharpness at 3 and Darbee off, so that's what I'm rolling with.
I watched " Hunter Killer " on 4K Blu - ray last night after setting up the new Lumagen settings, and the picture looked fantastic ( great soundtrack too - killer LFE ). Detail and the crisp look of that movie was incredible. I have friends coming Wed. to watch " The Gentlemen " on 4K Blu - ray. This will be the 4th or 5th time I've watched it in as many weeks, so I'm interested to see how much better it can look, since I thought it looked outstanding already !
Very pleased with this improvement !
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A week or two ago I put on the Blu-ray " Kung Fu Hustle " to just watch a little bit, seeing as I hadn't watched it in quite some time. I was going to watch it with some friends. Being an older Blu-ray, it didn't look as good as I remembered - probably due to all of the squeaky clean 4K I've been watching lately. I put it on last night just to see if the new firmware had made any difference. It really has - that movie looks better and sharper / cleaner now, but it's not due to the sharpening feature ( I toggled that on and off to see ). The improvements to scaling have made a difference with older Blu-rays - at least the one I checked so far. There are some substantial upscaling improvements going on in the background - and I'd expect the further pipeline improvements to make things even better. Seeing as I have over 400 Blu-rays, many of which may never see a 4K upgrade, this is excellent !
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Ive been eyeballing a few used units, just cant get myself to pull the trigger
4442 - $3500 shipped (with 18ghz cards)
4240 - $4000 shipped
do i dare? or do i save that money for a PJ upgrade to a NX7? (i have the rs600)
ugggg i want the DTM and the NLS the most
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who is gonna talk me off the ledge to buy one?
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who is gonna talk me off the ledge to buy one?
Not me. One of the best items I've added to my theater. BUY IT ! ::)
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Not me. One of the best items I've added to my theater. BUY IT ! ::)
i meant talk me off the ledge and JUST buy it lmao
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i meant talk me off the ledge and JUST buy it lmao
The best HDR dynamic tone mapping, auto aspect ratio and more. There - I shoved you closer to the edge of the ledge.
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The best HDR dynamic tone mapping, auto aspect ratio and more. There - I shoved you closer to the edge of the ledge.
Here’s my biggest question. Will I be able to set it up to reap its benefits without having to have it professionally setup?
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Wow I did it
Bought a lightly used lumagen pro 4442 with 2 18hz Inputs and 2 18hz outputs
Pretty excited!
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Wow I did it
Bought a lightly used lumagen pro 4442 with 2 18hz Inputs and 2 18hz outputs
Pretty excited!
What did you end up buying it for?
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What did you end up buying it for?
$3100 shipped
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$3100 shipped
That's a great price. Let me know if it makes a huge difference or not. What projector are you using again? I know it's a JVC, but I'm not sure of the model.
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Wow I did it
Bought a lightly used lumagen pro 4442 with 2 18hz Inputs and 2 18hz outputs
Pretty excited!
Nice. Glad to give you that little push !
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That's a great price. Let me know if it makes a huge difference or not. What projector are you using again? I know it's a JVC, but I'm not sure of the model.
I’m using the rs600
i have YET to read someone not seeing a large improvement. And I figure for the price, if I’m not blown away I can sell it pretty easily
now to read all about it lol
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Nice. Glad to give you that little push !
You def did! But that what I needed. :)
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I currently zoom in a 1.85 picture for 2.4 material and have the black bars spill over the top and bottom ( I have a 2.4 CIH screen) using the jvc rs600 and then use lense memory to shrink the image for 1.85 content with black bars on the sides
I want to use the 2.4 NLS for 1.85 content to fillmy screen
which lense memory do I use or do i still have to switch between the lense memory AND use NLS
thanks
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any suggestions whats going on?
shaking screen on menus from the 820 to the rs600 (https://streamable.com/gbckd6)
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so i have seemed to found the fix. it was a order of powering on. the lumagen needed to be on BEFORE the panny. I also forced the output to stay at 24hz instead of 60hzs as the menu and streaming apps on the panny use
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Another new FW on the horizon. Supposedly improves the DTM even more
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Another new FW on the horizon. Supposedly improves the DTM even more
I read that !
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No, I mean something newer than this one. And the change in the new version is even more significant than this 110120 version, I would say I saw a substantial change in DTM in the upcoming firmware.
wow!
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Concerning the next update with even more improvement for the already spectacular DTM:
We are close to the next big release.
This release improves the "back and forth" scenes cuts which were difficult. Pat said the second time the same scene shows in a number of the cases actually does have different levels. The DTM was over emphasizing the difference, but Pat has found ways to adjust the DTM algorithm to keep the back and forth scenes as close as possible.
There were also a few scenes that had other issues. One type of scene I know about had enough areas with bright objects to fool our zone-based analysis. Pat redesigned the zone analysis, which improved these scenes.
I just discussed timeframe for the next release with Patrick. He said he is working on a couple additional scenes and thinks we can post the next release this weekend.
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Usage comment for the upcoming release:
As we have seen in the past changing the algorithms can also change the recommended defaults. Let me first say that the current recommendations (Max Light = 4 to 6 times measured light in nits, Dyn Pad = 2, Low-ratio = 31) still work well. That said, I am planning to change my settings slightly based on viewing the results of DTM for this upcoming release.
Max Light: I have been at 5x (400 for a measured max of 78 nits) for our Lumagen Demo Theater RS4500. With the new release I prefer setting Max Light 6x measured max. This helped with some bright details (e.g. Mad Max: Fury Road sand storm scene explosions).
Dyn Pad: We changed to a recommendation of 2 (from 5 to 6) a while back. This was due to changes in the algorithm allowing the scene headroom to be reduced. The effect of Dyn Pad changes slightly in the upcoming release. In my viewing, IMO the Dyn Pad of 2 seems to reduce the headroom slightly from the previous release. Patrick said there were not intentional changes to the Dyn Pad headroom, but he said he did change the MaxCLL effect on calculations He said this could affect Dyn Pad. Dyn Pad of 2 still looks great for most scenes but one scene I found where I wanted a higher Dyn Pad was "The Meg" in the "Hatch scene" with the red haze in the hatch (this is in teh first couple minutes of the movie). For this scene I ended up preferring Dyn Pad = 5. I also found I preferred Dyn Pad = 5 for Mad Max, and for several other title. The difference in scene brightness between 2 nd 5 seems less to me, and I saw more bright detail changing Dyn Pad to 5.
I should note that I already have discussed this with Pro owners using the current release and suggested Dyn Pad = 5 in some cases. So this is not entirely new. Dyn Pad remains a trade-off between higher scene brightness (=2) and more detail in very bright objects (=5). This has not changed, but my preference has. I am currently thinking I will set Dyn Pad = 5 for the upcoming release. So, my recommendation is try 2, 3, 4, and 5 for Dyn Pad over a lot of material and then select your preference.
I am not changing Low Ratio or DeSat settings for this new release.
I hope this is helpful to everyone and that I have not opened a can of worms as my posts sometimes do.
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Hard to imagine it can look much better, after watching " Captain Marvel " on 4K Blu-ray last night with friends. it's looking pretty amazing now!
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Hard to imagine it can look much better, after watching " Captain Marvel " on 4K Blu-ray last night with friends. it's looking pretty amazing now!
yeah i was wondering the exact same thing lmao
i watched the live action Mulan from disney + and i was amazed the whole time lol
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New firmware is out. In addition to the tweaks to tone mapping other improvements have also been implemented
So far results are promising with higher dpad etc
side note: I never had the low max ratio over 0 for some reason. Now that I have that set at 31 (default) the picture looks even better!
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I won't get a chance to install this until tomorrow, but I'm looking forward to any little improvements.
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Jim and the crew have announced a new top of the line video Processor. This new top of the line model has reduced output jitter and electrical noise. It has 10 18G inputs, two 18G output and one audio only output. All of this in only 1U case.
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The latest Radiance Pro manual - LEGAL NOTICES: (lumagen.com) (http://www.lumagen.com/docs/Radiance_Pro_Manual_012621.pdf)
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http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
FW 030121- Posted 032521
Fix for output trigger on 5348.
Fix for menu sometimes incorrectly saying 'settings have changed since last save'.
Fix for 3D source having some extra pixels on right side.
Fix for occasional problematic input detection when changing from an interlaced source to a progressive source.
Added option to pass source HDR metadata to output when HDR is the Pro's output colorspace or HDR flag is on so not a factor if using recommended method of dynamic tone mapping HDR inputs to SDR output.
Option is called HDR Metadata and is in the menu under Output: CMS's: CMSX: Colorspace.
Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com) .
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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Thanks for the heads up !
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Thanks for the heads up !
no prob!
doesnt seem like anything imperative to update to (no new features to be utilized for me anyhow)
Ill hold off on the update
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http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
FW 030321
- Posted 032621
Small bug fix where a few menu items for inputs 9 & 10 (actual inputs on Radiance Pro model 5348 and virtual inputs on other models) would either be shown as ':', not selectable, or settings would not be applied as expected.
Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com) .
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
New firmware update -
051021- Posted 052521 Fixed an issue in 050221 with auto aspect triggering with image when set to hdmi. Fix for darbee menu in 050221. Fix for 050221 autoaspect menu when setting multiple mems or inputs. Fix for 050221 vertical sharpening not being used unless horizontal was non zero. Updated rs232 command for sharpen (ZY522) to handle separate v,h. Added rs232 command ZY551 to set gamemode. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
052521- Posted 060421
Small improvement to DTM eliminates an incorrect brightness jump in some scenes.
Expanded range lower for FPGA chip temp setting.
Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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FW Update
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
062721
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Fixed some cases of false aspect detection with the auto aspect functionality.
Improved deinterlacing and added automatic field flip detection.
For a new unit the default for field flip detection is 'Auto' but is left as-is if you're updating your unit.
If you have a flipped field interlaced video issue and want to have it dealt with automatically then you have to set it in the menu under Input: In Configs: RES: Control: Deinterlace: Field.
Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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I'd better get updating!
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I haven’t updated in a while. Might have to do it now lol
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I haven’t updated in a while. Might have to do it now lol
Same here!
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Same here, but will update to this one. :)
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Yup. Only takes a few minutes
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Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
FW 070921- Posted 072221
Added option in Auto Aspect menu to use graphics flag sent from source as indicator of the sources aspect ratio -- this is mainly intended to be used with the Strato menu.
Fix for some rs232 "ZQI" queries that caused Pro to hang.
Fix for incorrectly grayed out option in A/V Delay menu.
Changed some factory reset default settings.
Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
FYI, reminder:
FW 062721- Posted 070621
Fixed some cases of false aspect detection with the auto aspect functionality.
Improved deinterlacing and added automatic field flip detection.
For a new unit the default for field flip detection is 'Auto' but is left as-is if you're updating your unit.
If you have a flipped field interlaced video issue and want to have it dealt with automatically then you have to set it in the menu under Input: In Configs: RES: Control: Deinterlace: Field. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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Time to upgrade my firmware!
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I’ve been slacking. Maybe I’ll go do it now
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I’ve been slacking. Maybe I’ll go do it now
I have a theater full of people coming tonight to watch Matrix 3 in 4K. I'll do it this weekend - probably Sunday so I can do a few things in the theater at the same time.
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I did it last night. And there is another small update today lol
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Finally all caught up
Found a bug with TM though. Sent it to Jim. It’s in the 4K disc of looper
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Finally all caught up
Found a bug with TM though. Sent it to Jim. It’s in the 4K disc of looper
Maybe I should watch Looper and then update! ???
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Jim got back to me they are gonna look into it.
I tried uploading the vid here. But it didn’t support the vid type
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I had quite a bit of trouble getting the Lumagen firmware to load onto the Radiance Pro today. Nothing I did worked - including boot mode. I always used the " com 3 " USB port. A little digging into the device manager on my computer finally showed that at some point since the last time I updated firmware, the USB ports were re-named. Probably a Microsoft update. The same port is now " com 5 ". If anyone is having trouble updating the firmware, it's possible this is why. Just FYI.
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Interesting. Mine is always port 4
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Interesting. Mine is always port 4
Apparently the numbers associated with USB ports aren't fixed, since you can have virtual ports. My laptop only has 2 USB ports. Why they aren't always " 1 and 2 " is one of those mysteries. I do have 5 ports of various types, but the com numbers go from 1 to 16 !
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Yeah you got me. I only have 2 as well. Makes no sense. Idk.
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New Lumagen firmware update available - Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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Just saw that. Thanks!
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missed it:
082621- Posted 090321 Bugfix for incorrect update of config in 071021-072821 (http://tel:071021-072821), which could double the value of HDR max default or HDR dsat level. This update will correct these values if needed.
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firm
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missed it:
082621- Posted 090321 Bugfix for incorrect update of config in 071021-072821 (http://tel:071021-072821), which could double the value of HDR max default or HDR dsat level. This update will correct these values if needed.
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firm
I missed that too - I'll have to download it today.
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Same
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Been multiple reports on the other forum about a green screen with the latest firmware and they had to roll back.
Be warned. I’m holding off on updating.
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Been multiple reports on the other forum about a green screen with the latest firmware and they had to roll back.
Be warned. I’m holding off on updating.
I haven't had any problems myself.
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me neither
side note they are now offering 5 year extended warranty...about $600 so not cheap
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FW 090121
- Posted 101221
Bugfix for some units having a power on lockup issue where it flashes the blue light on power up and eventually can power up but without a picture.
Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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New pipeline update will
Most likely be posted tomorrow. Supposedly large upgrade in picture quality especially with 4k60 and upscaling
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New pipeline update will
Most likely be posted tomorrow. Supposedly large upgrade in picture quality especially with 4k60 and upscaling
Initial reports sound fantastic. But, I might wait to upgrade until it moves out of the beta stage. I've waited this long.
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i updated a few days ago. im not good at noticing improvements but it is very stable for me. no bugs
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The Beta 2 (060322) release for the pipeline enhancements has been posted. It adds "Letter Box Top" for bottom up masking screens and those who just want all content to be at the top of their 16:9 to 2.2 screens. It also fixes some issues with Letter Box bottom and clears up the menu for setting these modes.
There is a "Remote Type." Due to typo in the data sent to the remote control company the new Radiance Pro Remote "Input" button code is really the old code for "PiP Off." Since this actually brings down the menu (the only thing done by the Input button), as well as turning PiP off on this non-PiP remote, and to prevent a three month or so delay in the already delayed Radiance Pro remote we choose to continue and build the Radiance Pro remote. No issues doing this for most people, but one person was using the "Input shortcut menu" and the Radiance Pro remote would not bring up this menu when pressing Input on the Radiance pro remote. The new Remote Type can be set to allow the Radiance Pro remote to bring up the "Input shortcut menu" when the Input button is pressed.
Based on feedback the Subtitle Feature "down-arrow" now moves the bottom edge of the active video up by 6%, and then 10% (rather than Beta 1's 8% and 12%). Note that for some aspects (e.g. 2.00 on a 16:9), the first down arrow move only enough to make the raster below the active image visible down to the bottom of the source raster, and this is less than 6%.
The FPGA timing looks very good, but please let us know if you have any issues with Beta 2.
Here is the release log:
Beta 060322- Posted 061422 Beta 2 of the Pipeline Enhancement update. Adds "Top" option to orient letterboxed video formats to the top of video output. This setting is in the menu under Input: In Configs: RES: Sizing: Lbox Control and previously options for Bottom, Zoom, Off . Fix for Lbox Control: Off when output aspect is > 1.78. Subtitle shift feature now shifts by 6 & 10% (was 8 & 12%). Fix for some cases of masking that could cause black screens or black & white video. Fix for hdcp delay use that could cause video loss or diamond hatch pattern to appear on output. Bugfix for using NLS with 4k sources when using 9Ghz input cards. A precision improvement for 4k sources when using 9Ghz input cards Bugfix for incorrect video mode id with 4096 pixel wide 4k output modes sent on HDMI output which could confuse some devices downstream of the Pro. Added a remote control type setting in menu under Other: I/O Setup: Remote Ctl, for some different Lumagen remotes if you're using the Input button on the Lumagen remote. Cleared up some confusing language in the Global: Video: Features menu. Fix for incorrect zooming with Lbox Control set to bottom. Other minor bugfixes and improvements.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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Beta 1 has been flawless for me.
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Beta 1 has been flawless for me.
Been working great for me too. New firmware update -
Beta 062222- Posted 063022 Beta 2 fixup of HDR desat function broken in 060322. Fix for input vertical shift problems with junk video displayed on bottom of screen. Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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Next update should have more ratio aspects in it. I’m excited for that
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A few updates have been out since the last so make sure your in the latest beta if so. Word is the full go version should be out shorty
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Also they are working on improving the DTM a bit as well coming up now that pipeline is finished.
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Beta 081722- Posted 082922 Beta 4 of the Pipeline Enhancement update.
Update (http://lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
Production candidate 090822- Posted 091922
Minor fpga performance improvements.
Added auto aspect detection for 2.10 input aspect if extended aspects are enabled.
Please continue sending your detailed feedback to support@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
Production candidate 091922- Posted 092622
Fix for input aspect occasionally not triggering when source videos aspect change.
Some other small input aspect fixups.
Please continue sending your detailed feedback to support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~1 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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I'll install this after Cedia.
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New firmware (Production Candidate) available for the Radiance Pro series:
Changelog:
Production candidate 091922 - Fix for input aspect occasionally not triggering when source videos aspect change. Some other small input aspect fixups.
DDL: Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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Sounds like they are close to releasing a firmware to make instant aspect ratio switching a thing (using NLS) this is awesome for changing aspect ratio movies! And scope screens
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Sounds like they are close to releasing a firmware to make instant aspect ratio switching a thing (using NLS) this is awesome for changing aspect ratio movies! And scope screens
Not really. I'd never use NLS - that's an abomination. 2nd, why would you want a small 16:9 image on your scope screen every time it's supposed to be an IMAX scene? I just lock the aspect ratio at 2.35:1. Switching to a smaller image would be distracting. I'm not going to do anything different with this new firmware.
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Not really. I'd never use NLS - that's an abomination. 2nd, why would you want a small 16:9 image on your scope screen every time it's supposed to be an IMAX scene? I just lock the aspect ratio at 2.35:1. Switching to a smaller image would be distracting. I'm not going to do anything different with this new firmware.
I'm not a huge fan of NLS either, but do understand that it can be helpful in some situations, used judiciously. And some people aren't that sensitive to the distortion such that it bothers them less than others, and feel the added immersion compensates for it. No right or wrong here, just personal preference. I used it to watch Justice League, going from 1.33:1 to 2.00:1 and it looked pretty good. Watching 1.33:1 on a 2.35:1 screen just seemed ridiculous to me, but at 2.00:1 it was reasonable.
On dealing with variable aspect ratio movies, once again there is no right or wrong, and it's difficult (if not impossible, as in my particular room) to fully honor director intent. I would need a 1.9:1 screen, with the same width as my scope screen, masked all the time top and bottom except when watching the occasional variable ar movies, and this is simply not possible.
So I don't disagree with you that IMAX scenes were meant to be larger (same width as the 2.35:1 screen, but now taller), and using a processor to display it at 16:9 doesn't honor that intent. But at the same time, watching it at 2.35:1 is also inconsistent with director intent, since much of the additional content is cropped and not seen. Many movies may be "safe" to do this, and I understand this is often how it was shown in commercial theaters. But technically, it's still not what the director's intent was in having these IMAX scenes to begin with, as I understand it anyway.
I typically do watch these with aspect ratio switching, and don't find it visually distracting. In fact it's very easy to not even notice when the switch is occurring. But if someone chooses differently, to watch them at 2.35:1, that's also a perfectly legitimate choice.
Again, no right or wrong in any of these, and personal preference features prominently. This hobby is ultimately about our enjoying an experience in our homes, and what works for one may not work for everyone.
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I'm not a huge fan of NLS either, but do understand that it can be helpful in some situations, used judiciously. And some people aren't that sensitive to the distortion such that it bothers them less than others, and feel the added immersion compensates for it. No right or wrong here, just personal preference. I used it to watch Justice League, going from 1.33:1 to 2.00:1 and it looked pretty good. Watching 1.33:1 on a 2.35:1 screen just seemed ridiculous to me, but at 2.00:1 it was reasonable.
On dealing with variable aspect ratio movies, once again there is no right or wrong, and it's difficult (if not impossible, as in my particular room) to fully honor director intent. I would need a 1.9:1 screen, with the same width as my scope screen, masked all the time top and bottom except when watching the occasional variable ar movies, and this is simply not possible.
So I don't disagree with you that IMAX scenes were meant to be larger (same width as the 2.35:1 screen, but now taller), and using a processor to display it at 16:9 doesn't honor that intent. But at the same time, watching it at 2.35:1 is also inconsistent with director intent, since much of the additional content is cropped and not seen. Many movies may be "safe" to do this, and I understand this is often how it was shown in commercial theaters. But technically, it's still not what the director's intent was in having these IMAX scenes to begin with, as I understand it anyway.
I typically do watch these with aspect ratio switching, and don't find it visually distracting. In fact it's very easy to not even notice when the switch is occurring. But if someone chooses differently, to watch them at 2.35:1, that's also a perfectly legitimate choice.
Again, no right or wrong in any of these, and personal preference features prominently. This hobby is ultimately about our enjoying an experience in our homes, and what works for one may not work for everyone.
Technically, is a movie has IMAX scenes and was intended to be to watched on an IMAX screen, if you want to honor the " directors intent ", you should watch it on a 16:9 screen ( not many of us have 1.89:1 screens ) -
" The digital cinema IMAX projection system, debuted in 2008, is designed for use with shorter 1.89:1 aspect ratio screens. The system uses two 2K projectors that can present either 2D or 3D content in DCI or IMAX Digital Format (IDF; which in itself is a superset of DCI) " .
I'm all for " directors intent " until they get stupid. Scope movies with 4 IMAX scenes are getting whacked down to 2.35:1 in my theater ( I'm looking at you Interstellar ). Movies like Dunkirk that are 50 / 50 get watched on my taller 16:9 screen.
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new firmware is out. in beta form. great for instant aspect switch for menus
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new firmware is out. in beta form. great for instant aspect switch for menus
I need to install this later today.
Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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A nice Lumagen review!
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One of those things you think you don’t need. Until you have one
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One of those things you think you don’t need. Until you have one
Now I can't be without one!
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agreed. will never let it go.
high price of admission. but keeps getting cheaper with every firmware update....
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I was some what skeptical about purchasing the Lumagen Pro at first ( 4 years ago).
Today I consider it one of the best A/V purchases I’ve ever made.
It makes 4K HDR look amazing and the company support is second to none besides all the other things it does ( video calibration, auto aspect and up scaling) to name a few and it keeps getting better with free firmware updates.
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An interesting chat with Jim Peterson and Alan Gouger - (82) Lumagen, the ultimate video processor. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0QNR5vvgg)
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I'm looking forward to the upcoming firmware update like a kid waiting for Xmas! Even better dynamic tone mapping and a better picture. Hard to believe considering I have zero complaints now!
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I'm looking forward to the upcoming firmware update like a kid waiting for Xmas! Even better dynamic tone mapping and a better picture. Hard to believe considering I have zero complaints now!
Yeah def curious how it can get better
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Sounds like a firmware update with improved DTM is coming soon
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Hard to believe the picture can get even better.
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I agree. But I guess there is always room for improvement. Although i. doubt ill notice any differences.
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New firmware with updated desaturation is available. I have installed it but haven’t had a chance to test it
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New firmware with updated desaturation is available. I have installed it but haven’t had a chance to test it
Great news - I haven't seen that yet. Still early where I am.
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Can't wait to download this and try it!
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Download went smoothly
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There's an update - Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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Yeah update to the update lol
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Just adjusted my settings after loading the latest firmware in anticipation of watching the original Avatar in 4K tomorrow and the new Avatar 4K disc Saturday. Just a brief test run and it looks really good so far!
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Yeah they did a very nice job. Def a brighter image with same shadow detail/black level. Thing continues to impress
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I must say that watching the original Avatar on 4K Blu-ray last night was spectacular. With Dpad set to 1 ( it was set on 3 ) the picture looked incredible and better than it ever has. Very pleased!
Watching the new Avatar tonight.
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I must say that watching the original Avatar on 4K Blu-ray last night was spectacular. With Dpad set to 1 ( it was set on 3 ) the picture looked incredible and better than it ever has. Very pleased!
Watching the new Avatar tonight.
I watched guardians 3 last night. The picture amazes me daily. I’m gonna have to watch the old avatar now!
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I watched guardians 3 last night. The picture amazes me daily. I’m gonna have to watch the old avatar now!
The old Avatar looks damn good on the new 4K Blu-ray!
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Lumagen news -
Audio Advice Live 2023:
Lumagen will be exhibiting at Audio Advice Live 2023 with Storm Audio, Barco, Seymour Screen Excellence, and Focal, on August 4th through 6th, at the Sheraton Raleigh Hotel. If you are close, please consider coming by. I would be happy to give you a demo, and discuss the latest software enhancements for the Radiance Pro.
DTM Desaturation Update:
We have released Beta 061223 with the enhanced desaturation feature. There were only a couple scene that were less than perfection, and Patrick is working on changes to fix these, and similar scenes that used less than the optimal portion of the intensity range. The next Beta with improvements for these “flyer” scenes should be available in one to two weeks.
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The old Avatar looks damn good on the new 4K Blu-ray!
Yeah i gotta get on that
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The best is about to get better
“With its color-preserving nature (with some exceptions for highlight desaturation toward white), optimal transfer-function, and with the newest desaturation algorithm in this test release, the best DTM now even better.”
From Jim
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Glowing reviews for the alpha release
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FYI for people
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
Beta 082623
- Posted 091123
Numerous improvements to HDR dynamic tone mapping.
Recommended setting for for dynamic pad (DPad) is now 3 (adjustable either by pressing left arrow on the Lumagen remote or in the menu under Input: Options: HDR Setup).
Please continue sending your detailed feedback to support (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)@lumagen.com (radiancepro_beta@lumagen.com)
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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They snuck that one by me yesterday - wasn't expecting this so soon. I'd better get downloading!
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They snuck that one by me yesterday - wasn't expecting this so soon. I'd better get downloading!
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It would update on the fasted baud rate for me. Had to do the second fastest one. But updated without a hitch. Haven’t been able to test it out yet tho
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It would update on the fasted baud rate for me. Had to do the second fastest one. But updated without a hitch. Haven’t been able to test it out yet tho
I always use the 2nd fastest 115 setting. Updated last night - took a while. I left Dpad on 1 - Lucy looked great ( watched the entire movie - been a while ), watched parting of Alita, watched the beginning of Bladerunner 2049. All looks outstanding.
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I always use the 2nd fastest 115 setting. Updated last night - took a while. I left Dpad on 1 - Lucy looked great ( watched the entire movie - been a while ), watched parting of Alita, watched the beginning of Bladerunner 2049. All looks outstanding.
nice. those are my go to's as well especially Lucy
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My I ask a question out of complete ignorance?
Would a Lumagen Radiance Pro noticeably improve my system, my image?
I have a JVC 4100 projector. It is position about 14 feet from my 110 inch Stuart StudioTek130 screen. Would there be a significant improvement adding this to the system?
If it is added, does every input, Cable, 4K Player, Apple TV get plug into this first and then to my processor, or can I just have it connected to the processor and the projector?
4K Disc Player Panasonic UB9000
Controller McIntosh MX170
FM Tuner Day Sequerra Reference
HDTV Receiver Verizon
TV Tuner Mediasonic HW-150PVR
Streaming TV Apple TV
Video Projector JVC DLA-RS4100
Video Screen Stuart StudioTek130
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My I ask a question out of complete ignorance?
Would a Lumagen Radiance Pro noticeably improve my system, my image?
I have a JVC 4100 projector. It is position about 14 feet from my 110 inch Stuart StudioTek130 screen. Would there be a significant improvement adding this to the system?
If it is added, does every input, Cable, 4K Player, Apple TV get plug into this first and then to my processor, or can I just have it connected to the processor and the projector?
4K Disc Player Panasonic UB9000
Controller McIntosh MX170
FM Tuner Day Sequerra Reference
HDTV Receiver Verizon
TV Tuner Mediasonic HW-150PVR
Streaming TV Apple TV
Video Projector JVC DLA-RS4100
Video Screen Stuart StudioTek130
I see a big improvement both picture wise / HDR wise and with a scope screen, auto aspect ratio handling wise. Frankly, I couldn't be without one at this point. I have my sources routed to the Lumagen, and video out of the Lumagen direct to the RS4100, audio direct to the Denon A1H I have. I love it.
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I see a big improvement both picture wise / HDR wise and with a scope screen, auto aspect ratio handling wise. Frankly, I couldn't be without one at this point. I have my sources routed to the Lumagen, and video out of the Lumagen direct to the RS4100, audio direct to the Denon A1H I have. I love it.
I second this. It made my pj look like I bought a new one. And with auto aspect. It’s a no brainer. The lumagen will outlast any projector i have. So its price is over a very long time. And they keep improving it to boot. .
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watched John Wick 4 last night w the new firmware. woah! its friggin impressive!
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just when you thought it couldnt get better...
"Yes, the latest beta is very good...way better than the last official beta released in Sep. You will see some UI changes to the maxlight figure which makes it much easier to access - all in one place."
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just when you thought it couldnt get better...
"Yes, the latest beta is very good...way better than the last official beta released in Sep. You will see some UI changes to the maxlight figure which makes it much easier to access - all in one place."
Lumagen - the gift that keeps on giving! I'm looking forward to yet another improvement.
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Newest beta is out. Looks great.
Does trigger it’s a virus on windoze. But easily worked around
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Newest beta is out. Looks great.
Does trigger it’s a virus on windoze. But easily worked around
Thanks for the heads up!
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“We posted 102023.
Beta 102023- Posted 103023 Continued improvements to HDR dynamic tone mapping. Fixed HLG mode that didn't work correctly in 100223”
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Thanks for the heads up!
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Just downloaded the latest firmware and watched a bit of Maverick, Avatar and Train to Busan - all of which look really good on my RS4100. Think I'll try setting dpad at 2 for a while.
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I’m using dpad 1. The more brightness the better :)
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I’m using dpad 1. The more brightness the better :)
That's what I thought, but Mr. Deering said elsewhere " When I was testing 100223 I was always using DPAD of 1, but the new builds from that are definitely NOT built around a DPAD of 1 and the recommendation is DPAD of 3 or more. If one doesn't mind a touch of clipping now and then, DPAD 2 would probably be okay, but DPAD 1 will definitely have clipping more often. ".
So things have changed. And, I need to load the new firmware that came out again yesterday!
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Ahhh. I just did the new FW from yesterday. I’ll put it thru the paces with diff dpad tomorrow
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Ahhh. I just did the new FW from yesterday. I’ll put it thru the paces with diff dpad tomorrow
Ya - I thought it looked pretty bright watching Train From Busan on dpad 1. Maybe too bright.
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New firmware update - Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
Beta 111623 - Posted 120423 Several HDR dynamic tone mapping improvements. Please continue sending your detailed feedback to support@lumagen.com
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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man they have been pumping out the updates. thanks for the headsup
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Updated w no issues. Will test it out this weekend.
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news of the update is glowing! man this thing never ceases to amaze!
I agreed with woofer on this. The clarity and brilliance of the image exceed my expectations. Love the change in color scheme for the menu too...a refreshing look. For the first time, Dpad 1 is now very usable in this latest beta, to the point where clipping is minimal and yet still retains the image brilliance throughout. This is indeed "more than better" over 103123 and 111723. I can already see many happy faces. (https://i.imgur.com/Y30bJ2t.gif)
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Yep. I keep checking Lumagen's site to see if the new firmware has dropped. :)
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New firmware update - a couple of days ago - Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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New firmware available - Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
Beta 020524- Posted 022024 Added extra large menu size option. Added some menu color options (in the menu under Other: Menu Control: Menu Options). Fixup of an auto aspect detection issue. Fixup of an rs232 problem that caused an issue running Colourspace calibration software. Some further HDR DTM tuning. Other small bugfixes. Please continue sending your detailed feedback to support@lumagen.com
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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New firmware
Beta 030424 - Posted 031724 Fix for autoaspect not triggering in some situations. Fix for some aspect ratios not being positioned correctly in letterbox bottom mode. Many more HDR dynamic tone mapping improvements. Added ZY811 rs232 command to pop up input and aspect on screen. Other small bug fixes.
I changed the "Low range" Transition (Tran) to 9, and I have my ratio for Max Light just over 6x (for our 80 nit Lumgen Demo Theater) at 500.
I am now liking Dyn Pad = 1. I watched my regression test and it looks great.
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ew firmware.
Beta 041824- Posted 043024 Bugfix for not changing video delay on memory change. Added ZY552X (X is 0-9 for speeds 1-10) rs232 command to set minimum fan speed. Updated aspect related buttons to show auto aspect status (as long as OSD is in default enabled state) as well as current input aspect and the auto aspect enable/disable remote buttons now pop up the aspect information on screen. Added aspect information to first page of Radiance info screens. Couple of bugfixes for test patterns, afix for an autoaspect bug and couple other small bugfixes
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ew firmware.
Beta 041824- Posted 043024 Bugfix for not changing video delay on memory change. Added ZY552X (X is 0-9 for speeds 1-10) rs232 command to set minimum fan speed. Updated aspect related buttons to show auto aspect status (as long as OSD is in default enabled state) as well as current input aspect and the auto aspect enable/disable remote buttons now pop up the aspect information on screen. Added aspect information to first page of Radiance info screens. Couple of bugfixes for test patterns, afix for an autoaspect bug and couple other small bugfixes
I missed this - I'll download it tonight!
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I don’t think it major. Just small bug fixes. I haven’t watched a movie in quite some time. Nothing new has come out and baseball season is upon us.
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new firmware that includes the processing of Dolby Vision has been released in Beta form! I have yet to install it, and am not sure if Nvidia shield passes DV with ripped movies
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new firmware that includes the processing of Dolby Vision has been released in Beta form! I have yet to install it, and am not sure if Nvidia shield passes DV with ripped movies
I think my Zappiti does pass DV, but I'm not sure how that will effect the calibration and current HDR tone mapping - if at all. I guess there is only one way to find out.
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I think my Zappiti does pass DV, but I'm not sure how that will effect the calibration and current HDR tone mapping - if at all. I guess there is only one way to find out.
I don’t think it effects it at all
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Kris Deering says ( from another forum ) -
The 080324 build is an outstanding build even if you are NOT going to use LLDV (which has to be turned on in the menu, otherwise it changes nothing) as it is a fantastic FPGA build. I would recommend it to ALL users even if they have no interest in LLDV.
Good enough for me!
Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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New firmware posted on the Lumagen website.
Beta 101024 - Posted 103124 Minor improvements to LLDV such as allowing offset settings separate from HDR for black and gamma for DTM. Fix for rs232 Stewart screen control. Other small improvements. Please continue sending your detailed feedback to support@lumagen.com
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
Lumagen (http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates)
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Was just coming to post this :)
I’m downloading now. Now that the Yankees are done (puke) I have lots of movie time ahead of me :)
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Was just coming to post this :)
I’m downloading now. Now that the Yankees are done (puke) I have lots of movie time ahead of me :)
For the first time ever it took my 4 tries to get the firmware to load into my Radiance Pro. Finally worked at a slower download speed. Thought I had a problem there for a while - since I have folks coming to watch Zombieland tonight!
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For the first time ever it took my 4 tries to get the firmware to load into my Radiance Pro. Finally worked at a slower download speed. Thought I had a problem there for a while - since I have folks coming to watch Zombieland tonight!
Weird. Mine loaded very quickly.
enjoy. Love those movies!!
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new update out tonight.
Beta 101124 - Posted 110224 Minor improvements to LLDV such as allowing offset settings separate from HDR for black and gamma for DTM. Fix for rs232 Stewart screen control. Other small improvements. (There was an rs232 bug in 101024 update which this replaces). Please continue sending your detailed feedback to [color=var(--primary-500)]support@lumagen.com (support@lumagen.com)[/email][/font][/size][/color]
Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.
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This is a new release from a couple days ago. Just fixed some bugs
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new firmware out. just a bug fix if your current FW is running fine no need to update
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We had a lot of fun discussing Lumagen and other home theater topics:
https://youtu.be/dUDbDsp1lk0
If anyone else would like to come on the show let me know.
8)
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My CEDIA previews start to land this week, with Lumagen right out of the gate. Jim and I spent nearly an hour discussing the event, the partners, Artisan, the future of Radiance Pro, and he even made my eyes gloss over a bit on linear power supplies.
Lumagen - CEDIA Expo 2025 Preview
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Taken from a. Post on the “other forum”
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That is exciting!
I've been toying with the idea of adding a Lumagen to my system, hoping that there is a flood of well-cared for 4200 series models hitting the used market or some nice B stock units once the ArtisaN comes out.
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That is exciting!
I've been toying with the idea of adding a Lumagen to my system, hoping that there is a flood of well-cared for 4200 series models hitting the used market or some nice B stock units once the ArtisaN comes out.
I’m just hoping they continue to update the 4200 as they have. It makes the price of entry less daunting knowing it won’t be obsolete for a long time.
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I’m just hoping they continue to update the 4200 as they have. It makes the price of entry less daunting knowing it won’t be obsolete for a long time.
Yes, that is definitely part of their value proposition.
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Yes, that is definitely part of their value proposition.
Which is awesome
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New firmware update: [color=var(--primary-700)]Beta 092325[/color] (https://www.lumagen.com/software-updates/radiance-pro-updates) - Posted 121125Adjusted max delay for Seymour option. Couple bugfixes for subtitle shifting.
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Good to hear.
I'm thinking about picking one of these up when people start dumping their old models for the new 8K version.
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Game changer for sure. Love that they keep updating it.
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Game changer for sure. Love that they keep updating it.
Mine works so well now, if they never updated it again, I wouldn't care. In fact, the latest update doesn't appear to do anything for my system.
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Mine works so well now, if they never updated it again, I wouldn't care. In fact, the latest update doesn't appear to do anything for my system.
Same
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Beta 120325 Fixed an issue with 4k 50/60Hz HDR output modes that could give small little double pixels on sharp edges like text.
https://www.lumagen.com/s/radiance_pro120325.zip (https://www.lumagen.com/s/radiance_pro120325.zip)
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Now this is cool. Might be worth the $500
We are excited to announce that we have Alpha release prototypes for the new external IP interface for the Radiance Pro series of video processors. These are working well, and we plan a few refinements. The LAN2RS232 will connect to the RS232 port on the Radiance Pro and provide direct control to, and status from, the Radiance Pro series of video processors. This interface will be internal in all ArtisaN units.
The LAN2RS232 acts as a webpage server and can directly connect to with a PC or tablet device using an IP address. If you have local or remote access to a site intranet, you can connect to the LAN2RS232 directly. In addition, it already works with the River Controls' Crestron driver, and we are working to get it added to the Control4 driver on drivercentral.io.
I have attached a picture of the LAN2RS232 web server user interface. The LAN2RS232 uses a wired POE LAN interface for power.
Initially you will be able to control the Radiance Pro and see video status. We plan to add a second setup page, and then later add the ability to upload Radiance Pro firmware.
The LAN2RS232 module will be priced in the USA at $495 USD retail.
We are taking Beta release orders and expect to ship within two weeks at the Beta level. If you are interested in helping us with Beta testing, please contact me by email at [color=var(--primary-700)]sales@lumagen.com (sales@lumagen.com)[/email]. Once we have feedback we expect to take production orders.[/font][/size][/color]
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Curious about the remote access unit. Not sure it’s worth $500
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There is possibilities of a third part app too so that’s promising
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We posted a new release that adds features needed for our new external LAN interface. This is the 030326 release and you can find it here: [color=var(--primary-700)]Radiance Pro Updates — Lumagen Inc (https://www.lumagen.com/software-updates/radiance-pro-updates)[/iurl][/font][/size][/color]
Here is a link to some information on the LAN2RS232: [color=var(--primary-700)]External LAN Interface (LAN2RS232) — Lumagen Inc (https://www.lumagen.com/products-sales/p/external-lan-interface-lan-2-rs232)[/iurl][/font][/size][/color]
We have started shipping the LAN2RS232 and have stock. Contact your dealer or [color=var(--primary-700)]sales@lumagen.com (sales@lumagen.com)[/email] for more information.[/font][/size][/color]